Unban TNP

[spacemoose]

kingcomrade getting banned was temporary iirc

as for nicktheimperial I thought he just left. this is a troubling development.

and who the hell was sheriff fatman?

 

[Cassidy]

Yes. As much as I detest Nazis and find Neo-Nazis scum of the earth, he hasn't done anything all that "wrong". Sure, his opinion is unpopular, but other than the National Socialist stuff, his RPG views were pretty eloquently put, if I recall correctly.

And the whole banning sets a rather...unfortunate precedent that I'm none to keen on.

All banhammers have swastikas on their grips... I delight in the irony that The Nazi Prick was probably banned by the Nazi Vault Dweller.

BANNING IS FOR NAZI ADMINS 11111!!!!! BAN IS TEH EVIL BETHASPO!!!!

Wait, nazis don't wear RED. It's the Commies, they eat children and hunt inosents with the account-deleting sickle and banhammer! Plus commies hate nazis. Also capitalism can and sheep consumerism can be blamed for the kind of "RPGs" being released lately, a simplistic association denotes "Free Mainstream Market = MOAR BLOOM" and corporate asses don't care about making real roleplaying games, so one might conclude "capitalism sucks for RPG hardcore fans" and the the evidence for such possibility is here: Banning nazis is for commies.



I witness Codex' slippery slope into despotism... What's next? Codex Patriot Act?

 

[kingcomrade]

he hasn't done anything all that "wrong"

You mean besides sending me dumb messages for two weeks then trying to harass my mom?

 

[Edward_R_Murrow]

Unbanning someone who tried to use this forum as his own personal neo-nazi propaganda platform after being warned would also set a rather...unfortunate precedent.

Did he really? Or was it more that he had the opportunity far too often? The times he was doing it were rife with political discussion threads that almost seemed to be crafted for the express purpose of starting the whole Nazi vs. everyone else drama.

Not to mention, who is he offending? This is the same site that constantly labels people dumbfucks, talks about anthropomorphic animal sex, and links people to pictures of scat porn and a man ripping his ass open. I don't think some asinine Stormfront copypasta dumb-as-hell and ripped to pieces by the Codex rant will hurt anyone. Point being, he does less harm (offending people) than other things do, yet he is banned for his ideals, not as much his actions.

And you do know people have been banned before TNP, right?

Yeah, for spamming out of control (nicktheimperial), as a Codex lynch mob for one day (Volourn), and a few internet drama suicide/bannings. It's happened, but never permanently just for one's ideals, however screwy.

Ultimately, yes, it is the administrators decision on what happens and no amount of bitching will stop that. But the whole "Nazi opinions are evil and equal ban" seems pretty strange, especially for the same site that advocates removal of such stark moral ground in the games they enjoy. Whatever though....I'm a crazed libertarian.

PS: If you argued it from a utilitarian standpoint and said his ideals may harm "Codex society" as a whole by endangering hosting....then I'd be inclined to agree, assuming that's true. And saying something like this would have completely eliminated all debate most likely because utilitarian arguments are usually pretty solid.

 

[spacemoose]

if that's wrong, who would ever want to be right!

 

[ixg]

he was just annoying
if i were admin i'dl ban everyone cuz you're all a fuckin pain in the ass
but i do love you all <3

 

[Jason]

Did he really? Or was it more that he had the opportunity far too often? The times he was doing it were rife with political discussion threads that almost seemed to be crafted for the express purpose of starting the whole Nazi vs. everyone else drama.

The only obvious TNP-baiting thread was aweigh's lame "Racial Slurs" thread. Other than that, he enjoyed spreading his chewy goodness around various kinds of threads, throwing in nazi photos, links to nazi videos, and little nuggets of wisdom like:

Oh yeah, of course the The Third Reich (rest in peace) would risk the war using up valuable fuel that they needed. They lost the war BECAUSE of of a fuel shortage. BUT! Since Hitler was an EVIL MADMAN FROM HELL WHO SCOURGED THE LAND AND SHOWED NO MERCY TO HIS ENEMIES, he figured exterminating Jews was much more worthwhile than winning the war. Fuck the war, all I want is Jews dead, I don't care about my German people, I just created this beautiful Third Reich to kill Jews, that's all I care about. There is NO REASON that I hate the JEws, none at all, I just want them dead, ALL of them.

Such things are fine as an occasional joke, but it was a regular thing for him.

Not to mention, who is he offending?

It's not a matter of offending anyone, it's more a matter of showing the Codex to be a friendly home for white power douchebags. Attracting all those ESF retards over the course of 2006-2007 was bad enough, do you really want more kids like TNP to migrate here.

But the whole "Nazi opinions are evil and equal ban" seems pretty strange

No one has been banned (or will be banned if I have anything to do with it) for just having a racist opinion. I personally don't care if you hate chinks or niggers or what have you, just don't parade it up and down the forum trying to shove it in everyone's face. TNP was asked nicely to stop doing that by Shagnak. TNP made an agreement with Shag and cut out the nazi shit. He soon went back to his old ways. Thus the ban.

 

[dagorkan]

he hasn't done anything all that "wrong"

You mean besides sending me dumb messages for two weeks then trying to harass my mom?

Oh yeah, we should definitely allow TNP back.

Banning nazis is for commies.

Truth.

 

[Texas Red]

These recent events are troubling. First they hypocrtically make KC in to a mod and then theres the banning of TNP, not to mention the overmoderation and the terror regime of KC. THATS WHY I WROTE A SONG!

In Codex and the ESF, theres a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of Vault Dweller
Mr. Veller said we will bury you
I dont subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If kingcomrade loves his children too

How can I save my little boy from kingcomrade's mod toys
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope kingcomrade loves his children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the admin
Theres no such thing as a winnable war
Its a lie that we dont believe anymore
Mr. Howard says we will protect you
I dont subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope kingcomrade loves his children too

We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us, me, and you
Is that kingcomrade loves his children too

But seriously, unban TNP. I dont believe that anyone should be banned just because of his views, regardless how offensive they are to some. It is all subjective and we need to be open and acceptive instead of biased. Dont become the fuckers who have outlawed any doubt on the Holocoust. Thats just fucking wrong. There is xenophobia and nazism and everyone knows this, often enough we feel this ourselves, though some refuse to anknowledge the fact. They rather cover up in sheets and deny history and plain human nature.

Unban him.

 

[Jasede]

Don't. What will people think? What message does this send out to potential newcomers browsing this forum?

Do we want to be known as grumpy RPG-affectionados with an intelligent streak or rather as a vile scumhole of nazism, where stupidity thrives unchecked?

 

[Texas Red]

Don't. What will people think? What message does this send out to potential newcomers browsing this forum?

Do we want to be known as grumpy RPG-affectionados with an intelligent streak or rather as a vile scumhole of nazism, where stupidity thrives unchecked?

Oh yes, when a single member preaches nazism while everyone else bashes or ignores him, it will totally frighten away the innocent newcomers. Be realistic.

EDIT: Why was KC banned?

 

[Jasede]

It still sends out the message that it is tolerated. Not to mention TNP was not a productive member since he ended up doing little but spam propaganda with every post. We might as well stop banning spambots and have KC become a moderator.

 

[Texas Red]

It still sends out the message that it is tolerated. Not to mention TNP was not a productive member since he ended up doing little but spam propaganda with every post. We might as well stop banning spambots and have KC become a moderator.

It will send a positive message that the Codex is free for any subject, whether it shock porn discussion or xenophobic ramblings. This is appealing when most of the internet is overmoderated because of stupid reasons that dont make any sense(yay, lets ban the word "penis" ala Gamespot or ESF).

 

[ixg]

Jeez, just shut up, man

 

[Texas Red]

Jeez, just shut up, man

Lick my balls

 

[Trash]

and who the hell was sheriff fatman?

Someone who argued a lot with Saint Proverbius back in the day. He pissed of Saint to no end and was subsequently banned.


Talking about that old grumpy redneck, whatever happened with Saint anyway?

It will send a positive message that the Codex is free for any subject, whether it shock porn discussion or xenophobic ramblings. This is appealing when most of the internet is overmoderated because of stupid reasons that dont make any sense(yay, lets ban the word "penis" ala Gamespot or ESF).

It's not his stupid views, it's his contstant spamming threads with racist comments that did him in. He's a twat that constantly pushed the limit and got burned because of it. Fuck him.

 

[Nicolai]

Unban TNP, I'll take his place. :martyr:

 

[Twinfalls]

A rabid Furscist doesn't quite ring the same.

 

[kingcomrade]

TNP was banned because he was a retard, not because the crap he was posting for trolling and spam purposes happened to be Nazi-related. Everyone was told not to post Nazi stuff and it's the first thing he scrambled to do. When VD told me to stop posting tubgirls I did, which is why I'm still unbanned.

 

[VasikkA]

I'm well aware of Capitalist dominance in the world, friend. If I really wanted to, I could work my way up to the top of any company with ease.

This man must be canonized !

 

[Nedrah]

TNP was banned because he was a retard, not because the crap he was posting for trolling and spam purposes happened to be Nazi-related. Everyone was told not to post Nazi stuff and it's the first thing he scrambled to do. When VD told me to stop posting tubgirls I did, which is why I'm still unbanned.

Actually, I think you're a bit more than just unbanned. The codex still hasn't exploded, though, so I guess things worked out better than I expected.

 

[Calis]

Talking about that old grumpy redneck, whatever happened with Saint anyway?

He posted a bit in the staff forum when we switched servers, to tell us he lost the password for the .com domain (hence the .net). I'm guessing his Real Life rhytm has caused his initial codex-break and he's used it to kick the net addiction. Good for him, I just hope he's doing OK.

 

[Lumpy]

The Codex isn't about free speech. Most internet forums will ban you for a personal attack. You can do that freely at the Codex. You don't have to worry about the appropriateness of a post and shit like that. Just don't be a complete retard, that isn't allowed and shouldn't be.

 

[Texas Red]

I'm guessing his Real Life rhytm has caused his initial codex-break and he's used it to kick the net addiction.

You couldnt beat the addiction though, could you?

 

[Elhoim]

So, should we unban the fucker?

No. I don't care if he was a nazi or whatever shit, but he became an annoying retard only capable of saying jew conspiracy theories.