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Development Info Underrail 2: Infusion Dev Log #10: Lockpicking and Hacking

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Tags: Stygian Software; Underrail 2: Infusion

https://stygiansoftware.com/infusion/devlogs/10-lockpicking-and-hacking.html

Hacking is somewhat of a bigger beast. Actually, hacking is just a part of the new computer system.

For the purposes of the game, I implemented a simple operating system inside the game and a command shell on top of it you can use to interact with it. And to use the shell, you'll going to need a keyboard and a monitor, which both have actual implementations in the game. For now, those function perfectly, but later I'll start removing keys from some of those and maybe shading in some dead pixel areas on the monitor as an added layer of suffering immersion, randomly I think (have fun doing anything in command shell without the A key and a crack down the middle of the monitor).

Also most of the computers in the game are going to be connected into a single network and you'll be able to access them remotely and you'll be able to share files with NPCs, and they will sometimes hack into your computers....

Now, you may think I've gone off the deep end with these features, but I intend to go even further. I'm yet to make a graphical UI for applications that are going to run on these computers and more. The reason I'm doing all this (apart from that it's fun) is so we can use this system to implement any kind of machine and computer interaction that we want seamlessly into the game. In Underrail 1 we mostly relied on the dialog system for this and it was very limiting and clunky. In the long run, I believe, my work on these features is going to pay off tenfold.

So what can you do in this new computer system:
  • Browse files, copy them to your own personal computer, sometimes sell them to information brokers
  • Control doors, gates and various machinery that's connected to the system
  • Obtain new software, including new hacking tools
  • Install new hardware and software on your personal (hand-held) computer that will give you new gameplay functionalities, such as motion tracking radar
  • Communicate remotely with other people
  • And more
When it comes to hacking itself, it will be similar in lockpicking in some ways. Your success will depend on your knowledge of the hacking software, its quality as well as your hacking skill. Your software's version (quality) grants you a bonus to your hacking skill check, but may also act as hard requirement to getting past some security measures. E.g. you'll not be able to beat mid-game encryption software using early-game decryption software, regardless of your skill, so you're expected to keep up with your software quality throughout the game.

When your combined hacking skill is not quite enough to hack something smoothly, you'll usually be faced with some sort of raw stream of data you'll have to make sense of in order too boost your check. Various additional software might come in handy here.

Later, I intend to make some graphical tools a less hardcore hacker might use instead of the command shell, but the latter will always provide you with most effective hacking skill and the greatest variety of tools.

Like with lockpicking, there is an idea here of sort of becoming an actual hacker within the game's world. The computer system implemented here is no minigame, it's something that exists and runs within the game's world at all time and its workings are part of the lore and aesthetic in the game.

The way we handled lockpicking and hacking is the way we're going to go about most of the mechanisms (machines and such) in the game. We're not going to use dialog for anything else but the actual dialog. Whenever we require some intricate interaction with a machine or an item we're going to implement interfaces in the vein of those seen above, using computer system where appropriate.

You can also tell we invested a lot into the minute details. You can see what's on the computer monitor even without opening its interface. With the big enough display, you could actually read the text. This is a separate engine feature that we can use to render all kinds of dynamic displays in the game, which is important considering what we plan to do with the environmental story-telling.

Also, you can see when a lockpick or key are left in a lock. The appearance of the lock is going to correspond with the lock type. You can see the exact data storage device (USB-like thing) that's currently inserted into a computer, and so on.

We have a general design philosophy when it comes to these things - we believe that the narrative, the aesthetic (audio-visual) and the mechanical (gameplay) aspects of some part of the game should be closely integrated and so amplify and feed-off each other. We believe this maxes out the immersion and gives the player the most authentic experience.​
 

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Underrail 2, the first scifi RPG where in-game computer terminals are implemented using fully functional operating systems running on a virtualized docker. (VaultOS, perhaps?)
 
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I had to rate Infinitron's post with POSITIVE rating. I had to. Incline is too strong
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I will say that Styg is the one guy who knows how to do minigames

Simple and non-intrusive. Like Pazaak in SWKotOR or fishing in Underrail 1. The guys who don't know how to do minigames are Owlcat and Soyer.
 

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I will say that Styg is the one guy who knows how to do minigames

Simple and non-intrusive. Like Pazaak in SWKotOR or fishing in Underrail 1. The guys who don't know how to do minigames are Owlcat and Soyer.
Have you played Underrail 1? There was a minigame with a remote controlled robot and it was ass.
 

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Overarching strategic management layers in an RPG, like managing a stronghold, are not minigames. There's nothing "mini" about them, you have to deal with them for the entire game. That's why people don't like them.
 

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Overarching strategic management layers in an RPG, like managing a stronghold, are not minigames. There's nothing "mini" about them, you have to deal with them for the entire game. That's why people don't like them.
Kingdom management in Kingmaker was not a minigame sure, and it was not the best realised version it could be but it was a part of what made that game great. People don't like half-assed layers like crusade mode in WotR, or time wasting minigames that could be replaced with a skillcheck. Styg on the other hand looks like he has the right idea about shoving incline up the doubters' bungholes.
 

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Kingdom management in Kingmaker .... was a part of what made that game great.

Opinion worthless
Ok, obviously the far biggest part of what made the game great is the PF1E system/combat implementation, but WotR had the same one, improved on it even, and is the worse game. The takeaway is that Kingmaker had the better setting, writing and.. yes, tertiary system aka kingdom management which made the whole campaign of setting up your own kingdom against any adversity so much better than hunting demons in the worldwound.
 

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One of the most fun stuff to do in Deus Ex 1 was to hijack a facilities whole security systems. Underrail had very limited instances of this opportunity being present for the player, looks like Styg is investing in this kind of gameplay and i'm all for it. Perhaps even making it possible to have a non combat focused build, which isn't really a thing in Underrail.
 
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A step in the right direction. The biggest problem with RPGs is that their rulesets are weak from being overly abstract or a one-trick-pony (combat). This update looks like they are making real plans to overcome that. Incline.
 

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I will say that Styg is the one guy who knows how to do minigames

Simple and non-intrusive. Like Pazaak in SWKotOR or fishing in Underrail 1. The guys who don't know how to do minigames are Owlcat and Soyer.
Have you played Underrail 1? There was a minigame with a remote controlled robot and it was ass.
It's called a puzzle. Plenty of those in U1
 

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I will say that Styg is the one guy who knows how to do minigames

Simple and non-intrusive. Like Pazaak in SWKotOR or fishing in Underrail 1. The guys who don't know how to do minigames are Owlcat and Soyer.
Have you played Underrail 1? There was a minigame with a remote controlled robot and it was ass.

It was fun AND easy to boot, why are you exempling it/ hve you heard about mutagen or frigging sonocaster puzzle?
Never had them in game - but I heard DREADFUL stories about that.
Robot with remote controller is an alphabet of puzzles.
 

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Overarching strategic management layers in an RPG, like managing a stronghold, are not minigames. There's nothing "mini" about them, you have to deal with them for the entire game. That's why people don't like them.
Kingdom management in Kingmaker was not a minigame sure, and it was not the best realised version it could be but it was a part of what made that game great. People don't like half-assed layers like crusade mode in WotR, or time wasting minigames that could be replaced with a skillcheck. Styg on the other hand looks like he has the right idea about shoving incline up the doubters' bungholes.
Managing a stronghold could be fun, but you have to devote some effort to make it work.
 

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Overarching strategic management layers in an RPG, like managing a stronghold, are not minigames. There's nothing "mini" about them, you have to deal with them for the entire game. That's why people don't like them.
Kingdom management in Kingmaker was not a minigame sure, and it was not the best realised version it could be but it was a part of what made that game great. People don't like half-assed layers like crusade mode in WotR, or time wasting minigames that could be replaced with a skillcheck. Styg on the other hand looks like he has the right idea about shoving incline up the doubters' bungholes.
Managing a stronghold could be fun, but you have to devote some effort to make it work.
As I said, Styg could do it; one way could be by expanding the player housing in various ways, for example by integrating with that operating system the ability to place sell or buy orders for equipment with merchants you got their contact details, while paying salaries to couriers to simulate someone doing the back and forth, thus "fixing" the drop all items at the merchants' feet and come back next cycle routine. Could have managing guards, cultivating cave shrooms, running illegal rathound pit fights etc. The sky is the limit if you're autistic enough.
 
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I will say that Styg is the one guy who knows how to do minigames

Simple and non-intrusive. Like Pazaak in SWKotOR or fishing in Underrail 1. The guys who don't know how to do minigames are Owlcat and Soyer.
Have you played Underrail 1? There was a minigame with a remote controlled robot and it was ass.
It's called a puzzle. Plenty of those in U1
if you're referring to the musical puzzle in Expedition or the mutagen puzzle, both were extremely shitty design. i can appreciate the thought behind them, but they were needlessly complex
 

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Can't wait for chargen in Underrail 2.

In the RPG.

On the computer.

*In* Underrail 2.

Wait, what happens if you install Underrail 2 on the computer in Underrail 2?
 

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