You scum the vendors. You can use speedhack for that. But you already know about that.
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Underrail: The Incline Awakens
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You scum the vendors. You can use speedhack for that. But you already know about that.
Tygrende
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Yes, it is logical and I wouldn't want it to be the other way, but it doesn't change the fact that it makes your protection go away when you need protection the most.
fantadomat
Arcane
Any particular vendors that have a higher chance for spawning good mechanical shit??? Also do people use lazer weapons???
Sykar
Arcane
Why is there no consistency? There is a guard right at the entrance to the Mushroom Cove, chances are that they can easily get behind who did it even if you did it stealthily. You could argue that it is arbitrary or draconic, but inconsistent, when it is the same in every zone? Hardly.
Jezal_k23
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The problem with killing Mordre is that someone said that area is uncontrolled. I haven't checked whether that is the case, but if it is, I'll say that the game should follow its own rules.
There could be a feat where effects that would normally reduce your Dodge/Evasion to 0 like Off-balance reduced your evasion and dodge to 50% of their effective value instead.
epeli
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Keep in mind that zone control mainly dictates what you can do with <blink><marquee><payattentiontothis>traps</payattentiontothis></marquee></blink> like it says on the in-game Zone Control tooltips and in the wiki. Otherwise hostilities will propagate within the faction, unless there is some other special mechanism like Leave No Witnesses in play.
Nah, I mentioned that a bunch of pages ago, and that's why heavy armor is superior. You tend to receive damage in manageable chunks (often versus a higher health pool), rather than in big spikes, and the damage mitigation of armor keeps working pretty much all of the time.
One idea to improve Dodge and Evasion would be non-feat abilities learned from tutor NPCs, just like psi skills or quest-granted feats. Call it acrobatics training. These abilities would be used tactically to make Dodge and Evasion much more reliable than they normally are when passive, but for very limited periods of time. Some of the existing feats for Dodge would be rolled into these non-feat abilities. Enemies could use them too, of course.
Another possibility might be an accuracy bonus for characters with high Dodge and/or Evasion scores versus other characters with high Dodge and/or Evasion scores. This would substantially buff Dodge- and Evasion-based builds compared to the all-powerful tin can AR grenadiers, for whom there would be no change. Enemies would enjoy the same benefit, of course, but could be dispatched more quickly, increasing overall survivability.
Luckmann
Arcane
Haha, yeah, stupid me for not considering the psychic guards making ethereal sherlockian connections through in a populated area of transients, tsk tsk tsk.
And it's not my fault that the stealth/kill mechanics conjured by fucking Bethesda is objectively better and make more sense than the ones in Underrail. As much as I hate Oblivion/FO3/Skyrim/FO4, it doesn't mean that I can't recognize when something manages to be even worse in some regard.
No tantrums have been thrown, get over yourself and get that dick out of your mouth.
The fact that there appear to be random exceptions to the rules just makes the whole thing so much worse. Just prior to running into this trash for the second time (I had assumed that the previous situation, in an area where it explicitly was not supposed to be an issue, was a fluke), I had killed no less than two people in the same area of Junkyard, without issue.
Woah, big fucking surprise that I assumed that if I can kill a hostile commoner and random gangbanger #5 (who was carrying someone's knife, presumably part of a quest) without everyone becoming psionically aware of it, I can shiv guardsman #2 in a back alley, too, without someone on another map going STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM over it.
Not that hard. Killing enemies that move around in areas with few other potential hostiles is pretty easy, sure, but killing static targets in open environments isn't, unless there's mechanics introduced later that'd allow it. It's not like you can just slip them 20 Jet and laugh as they overdose.
Kill yourself, Fanto.
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Tygrende
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Oh no! A Black Eel guard was found dead caught in a bear trap! Who could have possibly killed him? Was it:
1. One of the beggars that probably couldn't afford a bear trap even if he wanted to
2. Another Black Eel
3. That new dude in the town who has been seen killing commoners with bear traps lately
4. Kareem
How will we ever find out?!
fantadomat
Arcane
Buahahaha,don't be that butthurt mate
. If you don't like the game,then don't post here mate,and leave us to it. 
Luckmann
Arcane
The entire place is implied to be full of transients, but my money would still be on Kareem. Also
Nobody found the guard, and the hostile commoner was killed with a taser and 5mm pistol.
I'm getting back on track by vigorous cheating. I'm not going anywhere, I'm going to shit on all the shit just as always.Buahahaha,don't be that butthurt mate
fantadomat
Arcane
Buahahahaha,every thread needs its own retarded contrast,salutations and congratulationsI'm getting back on track by vigorous cheating. I'm not going anywhere, I'm going to shit on all the shit just as always.
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how the FUCK do you get into nexus of technology? theres a gate thats closed with electronic panel from the other side. and every other path is blocked by shit. and i dont have 10 agility to jump over cliffs.. .!
not to mention the locusts are fucking awful to play against
not to mention the locusts are fucking awful to play against
fantadomat
Arcane
You have to go trough the caves on the right,they loop around and end up behind the gate.
The basalt caves? or what? they are filled with shit
Pope Amole II
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Since there's talk about dodge & evasion, the systematic problems with them are:
1. It's very difficult to judge how well do they work and whether will they work. It's tied to the enemy's weapon skill and not even Wiki contains that. So, unless you're one of the authors, you're forced to guess. Likewise, as there's no roll, you can't really be sure if it's your skills that suck or if it's just an unlucky streak of rolls.
2. While there are plenty of Evasion & Dodge bonuses, they scale badly. You want these stats to be twice as high as your enemies offense. So it's one thing when you need 100 vs 50 (45 from siphoner are amazing right here) and another when you need 300 vs 150 (45 from siphoner are less amazing right here).
3. Agility is underwhelming. It's initiative points became overshadowed by many other sources of initiative that were slowly added into the game. Same with the movement speed. It's only really strong feat is Blitz and even that is somewhat overhyped. That also became weaker with the addition of Temporal into game (so now instead of 90 vs 70 you have 110 vs 90 - that's not as good due to scaling).
4. Evasion is still sorta ok because, in addition to it, there will be darkness & distance bonuses at play. So it's easy to take their to-hit chance down to acceptable level. And there's anti-AoE component. Dodge royally sucks, however, because melee has nothing like that and so you have to rely on a crutch of Uncanny Dodge. Yeah, that's a literal crutch to salvage that skill somehow.
5. The addition of Temporal and better Yell means that even through all this Evasion & Dodge builds may be played. However, it's rather narrow and it's way too big of an investment for a return that isn't even that amazing.
1. It's very difficult to judge how well do they work and whether will they work. It's tied to the enemy's weapon skill and not even Wiki contains that. So, unless you're one of the authors, you're forced to guess. Likewise, as there's no roll, you can't really be sure if it's your skills that suck or if it's just an unlucky streak of rolls.
2. While there are plenty of Evasion & Dodge bonuses, they scale badly. You want these stats to be twice as high as your enemies offense. So it's one thing when you need 100 vs 50 (45 from siphoner are amazing right here) and another when you need 300 vs 150 (45 from siphoner are less amazing right here).
3. Agility is underwhelming. It's initiative points became overshadowed by many other sources of initiative that were slowly added into the game. Same with the movement speed. It's only really strong feat is Blitz and even that is somewhat overhyped. That also became weaker with the addition of Temporal into game (so now instead of 90 vs 70 you have 110 vs 90 - that's not as good due to scaling).
4. Evasion is still sorta ok because, in addition to it, there will be darkness & distance bonuses at play. So it's easy to take their to-hit chance down to acceptable level. And there's anti-AoE component. Dodge royally sucks, however, because melee has nothing like that and so you have to rely on a crutch of Uncanny Dodge. Yeah, that's a literal crutch to salvage that skill somehow.
5. The addition of Temporal and better Yell means that even through all this Evasion & Dodge builds may be played. However, it's rather narrow and it's way too big of an investment for a return that isn't even that amazing.
Once again, Luckmann has a point hidden somewhere among the entertaining tantrum.
Right, but this is a fairly typical RPG in that settlements generally show only a relative handful of locations and a few dozen NPCs to the player. There are also relatively few fellow travelers. Even Core City is about the size of what would be a wide spot in the road in the real world.
I'm not appealing to realism here, but merely pointing out the unspoken implication typical to RPGs that there are more buildings and inhabitants than can actually be seen or visited by the player. In fairness, this is less true of Underrail since almost everything is clearly bordered by cave walls or water, but it's an implication that persists regardless of which RPG one happens to be playing.
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Right, but this is a fairly typical RPG in that settlements generally show only a relative handful of locations and a few dozen NPCs to the player. There are also relatively few fellow travelers. Even Core City is about the size of what would be a wide spot in the road in the real world.
I'm not appealing to realism here, but merely pointing out the unspoken implication typical to RPGs that there are more buildings and inhabitants than can actually be seen or visited by the player. In fairness, this is less true of Underrail since almost everything is clearly bordered by cave walls or water, but it's an implication that persists regardless of which RPG one happens to be playing.
Elephantman
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So, I am fighting these dudes and by chance explode the convenient barrels that I overlooked and suddenly DEJAVU, this happend before. I played this before! But I cannot remember the Core apartment and pixelhunt. I remember the mined warehouse though. Weird. So I check online and its Expedition content in base game!
Spaced out, eh?
True fucking story too. I am not even sipping on mushroom brew today.
The Dude can open a mean gun shop in his cave now, after we played through Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Spaced out, eh?
True fucking story too. I am not even sipping on mushroom brew today.
The Dude can open a mean gun shop in his cave now, after we played through Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Elephantman
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No, he doesnt. Games had rules since the beginning of time.
He's got shown up for being too dumb to read and has dug in to not admit latent retardation and lose face.
Now he is pressing the buttons in impotent rage.
Serves him right, losing hours of game time. And shows yet again that he is a fucking moron. Should have had multiple saves like someone with half a brian.
I do agree that the controlled zone mechanic could be refined a little. Luckman does have a point. I think a good way around it would be to keep everything the same, but require an NPC to make visual contact with the body for enemies to turn hostile. Luckmann's baby rage is retarded, but his point regarding controlled zones is a fair one. I do think it's stupid to throw away the entire game because you wasted only a few hours of progress when there is so much more to the game than just the opening tutorial dungeon.
Tygrende
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This is kind of out of the blue, but I think this is one thing Gothic 3 of all games did kinda right. If I remember correctly, if you killed someone in a town without witnesses, you would get accused of murder the next time a guard talked to you. This would make everyone in town suspicous of you, but nothing beyond that. Another kill like this would be traced to you and another talk with a guard would result in everyone turning hostile. Unless you had a perk that allowed for talking your way out one more time. Doubt anything like this will be implemented in Underrail though.
Yeah, I could get behind such a concession, although people would of course take advantage of it to kill the one or two most inconvenient/loot-laden targets in a given town.
In fairness, "he's in my way" or "he has something I want" are two extremely realistic and sensible (if deeply antisocial) motivations for committing murder, so that's not even necessarily a downside other than the deterministic nature of such an implementation.
In fairness, "he's in my way" or "he has something I want" are two extremely realistic and sensible (if deeply antisocial) motivations for committing murder, so that's not even necessarily a downside other than the deterministic nature of such an implementation.
Tygrende
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Which wouldn't be a bad thing necessarily. Could lead to some interesting decisions on who to spend the one "free kill" on. But I just can't picture it happening in Underrail, as such system would require locations to be designed around it to be truly good.
Fenix
Arcane
junkyard, merchant with hunting goods.
It isn't.
As I understand, it was introduced for those who want to use exactly hybrids - shoot with sniper rifle and then some crossbow, shoot from SMG and then some pistol, etc.
It works good in this regard, also you can do a few tricky builds that dump their natural stat and go with other, most notable synergy with SMG build, which can completely ditch Perception and max Dex instead, thus you can get Steel Cat bursts for 14 or 18 Ap only, instead of 39 or 48.
And I actually like specialization, it's a quality shit in games with classless system.
Nope.
6, and +2 from spoiler.
Yep, this guy https://www.twitch.tv/ouroboroses did whole Depot A (gordrill parts) in 5 minutes 26 sec, without single fight, but you need specific skills for that - lockpicking and stealth, and, like, the hands.
Search his videos.
More or less good. Depending on diff.lvl.
Btw did you know, that you can eliminate Black Eels in wormhole, which is a controlled zone, and didn't get faction hostility? Sweet lovely +2 Oddity exp.
With at least one little exception. ^
Jezal_k23
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I mean I agree it's good, but I usually manage to use it on one target, he goes down, and then I have the ability unavailable until the fight ends, because most of the time I'm dealing with groups of enemies rather than single targets for this ability.
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