Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Fenix]

Here is a bit of incline.
Playing with shotgun, I for long postponed Beast fight, I'm tired to use traps there, which are allmighty, same for grenades, toxic ones especially.
So I decided to try to do this fight without traps, and grenades, except HE III which arn't that OP.
Last few moments of that fight.
My shotgun start to jamm a bit, barrel start to spit lead instead of shot it, I was wounded, exhausted and determined to survive.

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At first I tried to do that without Temporal Manipulation psionics.

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I didn't bring enough psi boosters, because initially didn't want to use psionics, so, last moments of fight were quite tight.

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But I won.

R.I.P. Dan, Saban, trusty plasma walker...

Once I get Iron Grip

Don't want to spoil your holiday, or play the game instead of you, but this feat brings you nothing except -15% damage penalty.
At least make hard save before you take it.

Is there a point to energy pistols? Plasma Pistol has big output, sure, but at 40 AP it's basically a cannon, and you rarely one-shot things in this game (so far) except with a good Snipe, the Electricity Pistol is just a niched liability, and the Laser Pistol seems to have nothing to offer when compared to other weapons. I'm also mildly salty that there's no energy rifles, but I'm not sure what the point would be.

A point? It's a very good weapon. ESP is extremely good at opening fights - good damage, and stun. Laser could spit 5 shot a turn, plasma - 2 with high Dex.
You just need right feats for them, and craft them with amplifier. so your crit bonus could be 900% I think. Laser pistol will be your main weapon, plasma for armored targets, and ESP for first shot.

 

[Jezal_k23]

Should I work for Coretech if I want high quality Electronic components or can the Institute of Tchort deliver that for me instead? If I don't need to work for Coretech, which of the remaining factions has the best store?

 

[ItsChon]

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Does giving the Pirates a lot of shit affect anything other than our preparation level for invasions?

 

[Urthor]

Should I work for Coretech if I want high quality Electronic components or can the Institute of Tchort deliver that for me instead? If I don't need to work for Coretech, which of the remaining factions has the best store?

Coretech is the best *only* electronics source in the game, all the other sources of electronics components will be mixed with other things to a far bigger degree. Tchort has an okay range though.

However, you have to remember that component quality will be level adjusted, so ultimately the "chase the components" game is a bit of a mixed bag. There's also literally an endless supply of components in expeditions, there's so much in the loot it isn't funny

 

[Jezal_k23]

If I'm gonna get better components from Expedition anyway, then I might go Praetorian this playthrough simply because I never did that before. Would be nice to experience a new quest line.

 

[Urthor]

All your components are literally scaled to your level I wouldn't worry about it. The shop is just a refreshable, levelled supply that you can visit via rift walking to Core City.

I'd still go Coretech though

In more important news you can apparently

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finish Expeditions with a dead Ferryman, rejoice and shoot him in the face!

 

[sebas]

Tygrende - whats your sniper/psi build please?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

All your components are literally scaled to your level

Bethesda does level-scaled items: absolute shit!
indie dev does level-scaled items: it's fantastic!

 

[Spark Mandriller]

All your components are literally scaled to your level I wouldn't worry about it. The shop is just a refreshable, levelled supply that you can visit via rift walking to Core City.

Bethesda does level-scaled items: absolute shit!
indie dev does level-scaled items: it's fantastic!

Items don't scale. Sometimes shops update their inventories based on completing parts of the main quest but that's it.

 

[Jezal_k23]

All your components are literally scaled to your level I wouldn't worry about it. The shop is just a refreshable, levelled supply that you can visit via rift walking to Core City.

I'd still go Coretech though

In more important news you can apparently

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finish Expeditions with a dead Ferryman, rejoice and shoot him in the face!

That's interesting information. But some shops seem to offer better components to me. Like for example Ezra's shop seems to fucking suck so far, and for metal components Leonie absolutely rocks.

 

[Urthor]

Items don't scale. Sometimes shops update their inventories based on completing parts of the main quest but that's it.

The items are the same or similar, idk how the psi mentors work, but the quality of the components however does scale. You don't get 160 quality components as hand placed loot, anywhere

Ezra's just doesn't have the same range, it's different for stuff like rapid reloaders and equivalents, they are just in certain loot tables only, but you will find most of that stuff in the Institute shops

 

[Spark Mandriller]

The items are the same or similar, idk how the psi mentors work, but the quality of the components however does scale.

But it doesn't. Go check the Junkyard shops on a max level character, the quality there will still be shit. Go check Marty as soon as he becomes available, he'll be selling ~100 quality max parts, the same as he will at the very end of the game. Shops don't care about your level. Sometimes they care about quest progress, sometimes they care about mercantile, but level doesn't matter.

 

[epeli]

is this normal, or is classic XP system completely broken?

Yes and yes. Classic XP is completely broken, which is normal.

All your components are literally scaled to your level

Bethesda does level-scaled items: absolute shit!
indie dev does level-scaled items: it's fantastic!

Urthor seems to be a having a dumbfuck moment, nothing in Underrail is scaled to player's level.

 

[Blaine]

Once I get Iron Grip

Don't want to spoil your holiday, or play the game instead of you, but this feat brings you nothing except -15% damage penalty.
At least make hard save before you take it.

Unless it's actually bugged, yeah, it does. With the Shield Arm feat, you have a 50% chance to block several dozen (+30% from the feat) mechanical melee damage with a riot shield. This procs independently of Spear Guard, and both sources can stack. That shit could block stiff sledgehammer hits.

What's kind of stupid is that it's a fucking riot shield that offers no protection from gunfire. A minor accuracy penalty to enemies would be a much appreciated feature.

Urthor seems to be a having a dumbfuck moment, nothing in Underrail is scaled to player's level.

The real answer is that shops upgrade their inventories at key milestones in the game.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The real answer is that shops upgrade their inventories at key milestones in the game.

I haven't played Underrail in a while, is there any good reason for this?
Do you unlock trading between factions? Get access to new materials?
Or is it just arbitrary?

 

[Blaine]

The real answer is that shops upgrade their inventories at key milestones in the game.

I haven't played Underrail in a while, is there any good reason for this?
Do you unlock trading between factions? Get access to new materials?
Or is it just arbitrary?

There's a great reason for it, actually: Shops still being filled with low-quality components that you no longer have any use for during the late game would be really fucking annoying.

 

[epeli]

I haven't played Underrail in a while, is there any good reason for this?

Yes. Get the drill parts to open trade via railroad tunnel again, re-open Foundry mines to get better metals, deal with parts of the faceless occupation, etc.

 

[Blaine]

That too, but you might as well save it. We're dealing with a dillhole who's trying mightily to find out whether or not his IMMERSHUN has been ruined due to the game world not being wholly indifferent to the player.

It's a form of overcompensating reaction to shit-tier RPG developers who build the entire game world solely to serve the player, and who either can't or just plain don't try to create the illusion of indifference and of a living world greater than just one individual.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't think it's expecting too much for a game to explain why shops are now selling better quality equipment than before.
Underrail's explanations are valid.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

So... it's either have Hacking or Electronics, or else fuck you?

It's odd to have such a blatant binary outcome based on skills you wouldn't normally imagine progression being based on, for sure. The only thing I can think of is that the low level they allow for entry in the DLC is going to fuck with a LOT of peoples' expectations. Once I realized I could go back and forth at will it became much more enjoyable to me.

 

[Tigranes]

OK so I am level 12, and I haven't even completed Depot A yet. Hard difficulty. is this normal, or is classic XP system completely broken?

Well, the last time, I was level 6/7 starting Depot A on Oddity. That's on the lower side, but 12 seems very overpowered.

(play oddity)

 

[Jezal_k23]

Yes. Level 12 in an early game area is totally fucked.

 

[Maggot]

I don't think it's expecting too much for a game to explain why shops are now selling better quality equipment than before.
Underrail's explanations are valid.

You're a fucking retard.

 

[Daedalos]

Can nobody seriously help me with some end game question? Styg epeli

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Where does the ferryman take the sub after he towes it from the research facility??

im kind of stuck

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't think it's expecting too much for a game to explain why shops are now selling better quality equipment than before.
Underrail's explanations are valid.

You're a fucking retard.

How dare a game actually craft a world that makes sense