World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Wesp5]

That's a good point - if there's one thing you think you could trust from the studio, it's the basic gun mechanics and handling.

That seems to have been intentional. I discussed this with the producer several times, that they shouldn't underestimate the shooting part, what with the stupid idea of throwing away empty guns too! But he always said they wanted it to feel different to a normal shooter and more like a melee game...

 

[Sobchak]

I still don't get why this game is on codex.

Edit: Let me explain my sentence above for the numb nuts in this thread. This game will NOT be a CRPG.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

That seems to have been intentional. I discussed this with the producer several times, that they shouldn't underestimate the shooting part, what with the stupid idea of throwing away empty guns too! But he always said they wanted it to feel different to a normal shooter and more like a melee game...

They definitely got the "different" part right.

Creative differences indeed, maybe Mitsoda was fired for logically bringing that up how odd that is.

Which producer was this? Was it the guy who was fired?

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

I still don't get why this game is on codex.

Edit: Let me explain my sentence above for the numb nuts in this thread. This game will NOT be a CRPG.

In Current Year, the Codex considers any game to be an RPG if it identifies as one.

 

[Fedora Master]

Now I'm not saying people told you so buuuuut

 

[Zombra]

As far as Brian goes, any low in life is just a precursor to a new (and better) high. I wish him the best.
But, most of all, I hope he starts visiting the Codex. I would have quite a few questions to ask him.

Maybe a mysterious new member named "Byron Milk Soda" will register and tell the inside story about how he got fired from a malt shop.

 

[Wesp5]

Which producer was this? Was it the guy who was fired?

No, I had contact with Florian Schwarzer who was the guy in the clan revelation videos. As far as I know he didn't get fired, but just moved away from the project, as was Christian Schlüter, the other German producer. It was at the same time though when Mitsoda and Cluney were fired, so this certainly was connected!

 

[Ismaul]

Shit, so not only did they fire the top creatives, but they also removed all the other top guys from the game?

Smells like even more of a

 

[Storyfag]

Which producer was this? Was it the guy who was fired?

No, I had contact with Florian Schwarzer who was the guy in the clan revelation videos. As far as I know he didn't get fired, but just moved away from the project, as was Christian Schlüter, the other German producer. It was at the same time though when Mitsoda and Cluney were fired, so this certainly was connected!

Well. It certainly looks like you will have another game to patch up...

 

[Raghar]

Erik Waananen
@ewaananen
·
Jun 20
Replying to
@SJBsMama
I get physically sick any time I join a new project and see his name pop up on some comment he left behind while "consulting." I believe you, I know what he's done, and he's long overdue for more than just a "convention ban."

WTF did he did?

 

[mondblut]

Who would think that a sequel for a cult classic RPG would bring such shitshow.

Maybe the real cult classic RPG was the shitshow all along.

 

[santino27]

Erik Waananen
@ewaananen
·
Jun 20
Replying to
@SJBsMama
I get physically sick any time I join a new project and see his name pop up on some comment he left behind while "consulting." I believe you, I know what he's done, and he's long overdue for more than just a "convention ban."

WTF did he did?

Got drunk and hit on women at conventions. Somehow, he's avoided beheading, but I'm sure it'll happen soon.

 

[mondblut]

Got drunk and hit on women at conventions, but once refused, turned his attention to other women. Also, didn't help advancing their careers.

Fixed.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

No, I had contact with Florian Schwarzer who was the guy in the clan revelation videos. As far as I know he didn't get fired, but just moved away from the project, as was Christian Schlüter, the other German producer. It was at the same time though when Mitsoda and Cluney were fired, so this certainly was connected!

Wasn't Schlutter fired at the same time as Cluney and Mitsoda? I don't think he was "moved away from the project," unless you call moving away as literally moving to another company.

Maybe Schlutter liked what they were doing too much or all three were all equally incompetent ("Paradox" + "producer" never inspires confidence) or too competent for Paradox.

 

[Theldaran]

TBH being starved for love is unbefitting a gentleman. Even a perverted gentleman.

 

[Avarize]

Erik Waananen
@ewaananen
·
Jun 20
Replying to
@SJBsMama
I get physically sick any time I join a new project and see his name pop up on some comment he left behind while "consulting." I believe you, I know what he's done, and he's long overdue for more than just a "convention ban."

WTF did he did?

He wanted sex. Woman said no. He said okay. My theory is that she had a rape fantasy and is still mad at Avellone for not getting it.

 

[DalekFlay]

Shit, so not only did they fire the top creatives, but they also removed all the other top guys from the game?

Smells like even more of a

They weren't getting the game done, Paradox is tired of delaying it. That's my official theory. Bring in the guy who's shipped AAA games before and get it out the door.

 

[Ismaul]

They weren't getting the game done, Paradox is tired of delaying it. That's my official theory. Bring in the guy who's shipped AAA games before and get it out the door.

Now they'll get a game done, but it sure as hell won't be the game.

 

[Cael]

They weren't getting the game done, Paradox is tired of delaying it. That's my official theory. Bring in the guy who's shipped AAA games before and get it out the door.

Now they'll get a game done, but it sure as hell won't be the a game.

Fixed it for you.

Spoiler

The noun you are looking for is "visual novel".

 

[Flying Dutchman]

Didn't they already do choose-your-own-path novel/games for WoD?

At a glance, Erik Waananen's resume does not bode well (drifter dev resume), but I guess they were running out of gifted gameplay designers, so why not him?

He sounds like a cunt. Not one of those strong, powerful clutch-your-cock cunts, but a flicky, whispery, sobbing cunt that quivers in fear when the hard cock of Paradox roars in, thrusting and jabbing to get as much EXP from pounding cunts as it can before it roars away to fire more of their QA staff after ramming itself into their cunts.

It feels like Hardsuit (sans Mitsoda) is where all steaming wet shits of the Seattle industry go to dry.

Yes, I'm bitter about Bloodlines 2. I feel like Paradox and Hardsuit got the holy grail, and they looked at each other, put on clown noses, and said, "wow, let's make a Grail of Shit!"

 

[purupuru]

Shit, so not only did they fire the top creatives, but they also removed all the other top guys from the game?

Smells like even more of a

They weren't getting the game done, Paradox is tired of delaying it. That's my official theory. Bring in the guy who's shipped AAA games before and get it out the door.

If we believe Mitsoda's words then it's not his department (narrative) that's delaying the release, and he had no input in the decision to delay production. Actually I would find it very hard to believe that the main culprit of the delay is narrative development and not some technical/gameplay problems.

 

[Ismaul]

"wow, let's make a Grail of Shit!"

nah man, a Grail of Shit would be quality shit

, like a momentous shit you can't help but investigate

 

[Flying Dutchman]

If we believe Mitsoda's words then it's not his department (narrative) that's delaying the release, and he had no input in the decision to delay production. Actually I would find it very hard to believe that the main culprit of the delay is narrative development and not some technical/gameplay problems.

He seemed pretty clear about that, yeah, but Mitsoda's been clueless before, apparently. They did keep the other writers, though, so who knows - maybe there's work still to be done or stitched up.

I'd really doubt there's a technical issue because Hardsuit seems to (strangely) have a good amount of programmers, but I believe game design might be royally cucked. I don't think any of the designers worked on either an FPS or a "RPG-1st person" before, but I could be wrong.

But then again, they've left no department stone of incompetence unturned, so a technical problem isn't out of the question. Aren't they using Unreal? Shouldn't they know it by now? Cunts.

 

[Wesp5]

Wasn't Schlutter fired at the same time as Cluney and Mitsoda? I don't think he was "moved away from the project," unless you call moving away as literally moving to another company.

I don't have LinkedIn, but I think someone here or on Reddit posted that both Schlütter and Schwarzer are still producers at Paradox. If that is the case they were moved and not fired...

 

[Wesp5]

I'd really doubt there's a technical issue because Hardsuit seems to (strangely) have a good amount of programmers, but I believe game design might be royally cucked. I don't think any of the designers worked on either an FPS or a "RPG-1st person" before, but I could be wrong.

Hardsuit Labs made a multiplayer FPS before, which I played a bit before they shut it down because of Bloodlines 2 and it was okay. I also saw a video from the intro, the tutorial and the haven and this looked perfectly fine as well! Sure, the combat in the public demo might have needed some improvements, but combat wasn't the best part of Bloodlines 1 either, so I don't really know where all the delays came from. I still fear that there wasn't a technical problem, but a political difference behind all of this.