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World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

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This is two weeks old but it wasn't brought up here. Rik Schaffer did an AMA on reddit.

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Pretty strong words from him. I think "Carla" is meant to be Cara.

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This is a really lovely piece of trivia. I think we can all agree that the casting for VTMB was excellent.
 

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Wow, thanks for those infos! I didn't know that Brian was already pissed off that much during Bloodlines 1 development :). No wonder he might not have moved the way that Paradox wanted with Bloodlines 2 so they got rid of him...
 

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So it's safe to assume that their next take on Bloodlines 2 will look even worse?

Well, we could take a look at VtM Bloodhunt, their battle royale game breaking the Masquerade left and right as soon as somebody in Prague looks out of the window...
 

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So it's safe to assume that their next take on Bloodlines 2 will look even worse?

Well, we could take a look at VtM Bloodhunt, their battle royale game breaking the Masquerade left and right as soon as somebody in Prague looks out of the window...
The Masquerade is a patriarchal construct. Black Weasel wouldn't want to support such a thing.
 

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their battle royale game breaking the Masquerade left and right as soon as somebody in Prague looks out of the window...

Blood Hunt mission in Santa Monica broke Masquerade left and right too.

Yes, but the affected area was much smaller and it was only a small part of a larger game. Bloodhunt is basically Vampire: Break the Masquerade :)!
 

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Chair-kicking moment is additional evidence that my ancient source who told me that Mitsoda was an egotistical primadonna who was difficult to work with was on the level. :M
 

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Egotistical primadonna? No, every artist can, should and often will be upset if his or her art is not respected, be it music, story, paintings, and etcetera. And if he is not, there is a problem here. Because it means that he doesn't stand for what he is doing.
 

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Egotistical primadonna? No, every artist can, should and often will be upset if his or her art is not respected, be it music, story, paintings, and etcetera. And if he is not, there is a problem here. Because it means that he doesn't stand for what he is doing.

If he was making art, he'd be making his own things instead of coming in as a hired gun for a licensed product. Turns out his idea of art was Dead State and Panic at Multiverse High, which was uh....
 

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Egotistical primadonna? No, every artist can, should and often will be upset if his or her art is not respected, be it music, story, paintings, and etcetera. And if he is not, there is a problem here. Because it means that he doesn't stand for what he is doing.
An artist can be a true artist and an egotistical prima donna at the same time. There's a reason it's called the "artistic temperament".

If he was making art, he'd be making his own things instead of coming in as a hired gun for a licensed product. Turns out his idea of art was Dead State and Panic at Multiverse High, which was uh....
Yeah, because no real artist throughout history has had to work on projects funded by other people. Oh wait
 

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If he was making art, he'd be making his own things instead of

Oh, I agree that if you're a creator in these times the best you can do is making your own thing. However the first (or the second) of these games was released in 2004. In that time:

- The indie scene in games had not taken so much force and impulse.
- Many people didn't think that the corpos would throw them under the bus later on as hard.

So, while I agree, I can still feel certain sympathy for people who in that time didn't see the writing in the wall. After all, they thought that it was an equal relationship betweem them and the corpos. In which they have a say. Now is more obvious than ever that corpos will get you the boot for whatever reason they like, even if you didn't do anything wrong.

But again, many people didn't neccesary think that back then.
 

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Yeah, because no real artist throughout history has had to work on projects funded by other people. Oh wait

Key parts of my post involved licensed settings and his own personal projects.
 

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Yeah, because no real artist throughout history has had to work on projects funded by other people. Oh wait
Key parts of my post involved licensed settings and his own personal projects.
Well, if you want to pick that apart, we can. The writing and plotting in Dead State was perfectly good*, and Multiverse High was very obviously Annie's project, so your derision of Brian's essential creativity is baseless edginess. Your second implication is that no artist ever has to worry about money if they are any good, which is obviously idiotic. So I'm not sure what your actual point is.

*In b4 someone quotes a line or points out one character that wasn't that great.
 

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Chair-kicking moment is additional evidence that my ancient source who told me that Mitsoda was an egotistical primadonna who was difficult to work with was on the level. :M

:( but ?

:: Tell me more, tell me more ::
:: Like was chair-kicking on par? ::

If it was Activision, though, I imagine that was a routine meeting.
 

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I would just love it if someone went on a Monty or MCA style rantathon about all that happened during this shit show.
 
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I would just love it if someone went on a Monty or MCA style rantathon about all that happened during this shit show.

I wonder how much Chris would be able to divulge. I would love to know the manboon behind the internal 2018 audit and the firing of Ka'ai and Brian.

I wish I lived in the alternate world where he was never cancelled.
 

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I dunno about Mitsoda work after Bloodlines, working with a franchise is always easier than creating stuff from zero but one thing you cant accuse him is of not giving a fuck, yes, maybe the end result of his work on this Bloodlines 2 vapourware ended being meh anyway but we had two options: Mitsoda managing the danger hair tumblerinas, maybe at least controlling the damage, and danger hair tumblerinas free to do anything they like, now the first option is gone... well... we have a Han Solo "Don't give me the odds." moment.
 

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