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1eyedking Vampire: The Masquerade - goth cringe or Christian apologetic?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by J1M, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. J1M Arcane

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    VTM was basically a dating tool for goth nerds. The setting is great, but I don't think I'd ever want to experience it with other people.

    Edit: For the record, this was an amazing post but a mod turned it into a thread.
     
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  2. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    that accurately sums up many tabletop RPGs
    thank God for cRPGs
     
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  3. Matalarata Arcane Patron

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    This is so weird. I played a ton of OWoD back in the '90, probably played with at least 3 dozens different players. Can't remember a single Goth/Dark. My metalhead presence with leather jacket and long hairs was probably the edgiest around. It was a great setting which allowed for a lot of interesting stories to be told.

    ... I'm starting to believe you never actually tried pnp. A real life table allows you to throw insults and beers over failed rolls and arguments. If you can't see the value in that you're not truly an American boy.
     
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  4. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    I don't like other people
     
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  5. Rean The only Rean Patron

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    Strap Yourselves In
    cRPGs were made as a poor substitute for tabletop. A computer game will never, EVER compare. Let the friendless abortions seethe.
     
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  6. Matalarata Arcane Patron

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    Dafuq has this to do with throwing a beer can at the thief because he failed to disarm a frickin' trap? Rusty. Once again, I'm disappoint.
     
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    imagination is for people who can't afford good computers
     
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    Are you european per chance? As a tropicalian I find the whole 'goth/dark' to be unrelatable, but i do hear that compared to the mericanians, the european tribals are more punk than sad.
     
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  9. Matalarata Arcane Patron

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    Tempted to build a new pc just for this. An a new one for my mother too.

    Yes, I am. Could be the case. I was mainly shitposting, there were probably depressed goths galore playing VtM back then. Although all the World of Darkness playables were pretty popular in my area. Werewolf was a big fav. Mages too (although you need a top notch Storyteller for that one, imho). All in all, I think the idea it's this goth setting mainly comes from those that only played the cRPG and from the Camarilla handbook being so popular, that had lots of gothic artistry inside.

    Even just focusing on vamps, Sabbath and different paths of englightenment, different from Humanity, definitely steer the theme away from your typical Vampire novel toward the psychotic, the noir or the esoteric occult. All that is lost, nowadays. Memes devoured it and people think they know it all.
     
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    Ahem. And? Liek many powerful kindreds, who do you think is going to enforce rules on Esau? Iirc there's a lot of his descendants statted in regular books. The point is, 6th gen mainly gives you a decent blood pool and some higher caps on disciplines. Age. Age is what makes the difference among Vampires, most of the time.

    I cannot really remember the names of relatively minor NPCs and I most of all used to play either homebrew or European: by Night settings but I'm pretty sure there are some 7th and even 8th gens that can give Therese/Jeanette/Tourette a pretty thorough beating.
     
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  13. Jason Liang Arcane

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    Fairly recent (Beckett's Jyhad Diary, 2018).
     
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    I mean, Ian Carfax, the current Tremere Justicar (who appeared in Winter's Teeth) is only 8th generation. Maris Streck, the former Malk justicar, is 8th generation.
     
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    It wasn't alive to begin with
     
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    Fear not, usually gaming tables bring the worthy ones together.
     
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    I reckon it is mutual
     
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  18. Smerlus Educated

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    It would be difficult at this point to pick a franchise that has churned out more shit than paradox's WOD. A handful of visual novels, a mediocre VR game, a throwaway werewolf game and the main draw in limbo.

    They deserve a round of applause for fucking up this masterfully.
     
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    We had one girl in our group (the group was 3 guys, 2 girls) who liked to wear mostly black clothes. However wasn't wearing a makeup (or weird piercings) and was acting normally. I wouldn't call her a goth myself as I always thought that goths should give the Addams Family vibes.
     
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    In my headcanon she was cracked well before being sired, and there never were two sisters. An incest trauma made her personality split into the nun/whore counterparts. Jeannette is the denied part of her who enjoyed the incest, Therese is the rejection and disgust towards it all.
     
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  21. HansDampf Arcane

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    Btw, one of the (unrelated) sources links to an old q&a forum post from bmitsoda.
    https://web.archive.org/web/2006061...netvampire/topic.asp?fid=9642&tid=1773542&p=4
    Some interesting tids and bits I didn't know.

    Show Spoiler
     
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    I see we've moved on from beating a dead horse to beating off to dead whores. :smug:
     
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    That's the opposite of what happened though. It was Therese who consented to her father's advances and she blew her top (and her father's) when he fucked Jeanette too.
     
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    One thing for sure: there would be no such nuanced writing and characters in Bloodlines 2
     
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