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1eyedking Vampire: The Masquerade - goth cringe or Christian apologetic?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by J1M, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    Bloodlines is a game where you can go on a killing spree and then hide in the sewers for a while until the heat dies down. Concealment doesn't matter.
     
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  2. Wesp5 Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Indeed. In the latest version of the UP plus version I added that walking on the hubs with a weapon drawn will at least create a Criminal Violation sooner or later...
     
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  3. Semiurge Cipher

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    You forgot(?) to answer whether attempting domination on Therese affects her approval score.
     
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  4. Wesp5 Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I had to look that up right now and no, she laughs it off and it doesn't affect her.
     
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  5. Meredoth Arcane

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    The ideal sequel to VtMB. Instead of VtMB 2, Daniel Vávra could make a non woke SPIRITUAL successor set in Central or Eastern Europe during the Christianization of this regions, how the vampires deals with the new religion or in post Soviet collapse. That would be 10001 better than a game set in Commiefornia or in Soyattle with all Frankfurt marxism bullshit. He made a amazing medieval chad simulator. I'm pretty sure that he can make a amazing vampire urban fantasy game. And he should hire Chris Avellone!!!
     
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  6. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    I'm Ridin' with Biden I'm Ridin' with Biden
    But rusty... you're constantly imagining things.

    Is this... is this your way to finally come out to us? It was about time! Come here, you little rascal! :love:
     
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  7. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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  8. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik Wumao

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    The absolute state of desert cultists.
     
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  9. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    The goal is irrelevant, the process of argument is everything
     
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  11. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    Problem with low lethality is that the game needs to support that, like the characters need to be able to seek cover easily (most people don't wear armor) or convincingly intimidate the player so he will not consider using violence unless necessary (permadeath for example). Some sort of justice system that you can't shoot your way out of, too.

    yeah, about that

    https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/big-bang-beginning-universe/

     
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  12. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    "a wizard did it" makes a lot more sense than the alternative proposed
    reminder that the counterargument to the fine-tuning argument is literally the equivalent of a comic book multiverse
     
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  13. Meredoth Arcane

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    No, is the fact that the universe is not fine tuned to life. Is life who get adapted to the extremely few places where it can flourish. This universe is a chaotic mess with supernovas, black holes, endless expansion till a cold death. The ancient Greek Idea that everything comes from chaos and will go to chaos(which is the primordial deity in Greek Pantheon) makes way more sense. The ancient Norse idea that everything comes from the primordial chaos makes way more sense too ( https://norse-mythology.org/tales/norse-creation-myth/ ). I"m not saying that I believe in this creation myths, only that the idea of a fine tuning universe is something recent in human history.

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    Back to vampires theme. If you could choose a city to have a vampire : The masquarede game (official or spiritual successor), which city would you chose? I :
    • Odessa - Ukraine - One of the most popular tourist destinations there
    • Ushuaia - Argentina - The southernmost city in the world. Few hours of sunlight during the winter.
    • Prague - Czechia - Very historically important city in the world of darkness. I don't know if the generic battle royale happens there.
    • Taipei - Taiwan capital - The game can explore the conflict between kindreds of the east and western vampires
     
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  14. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik Wumao

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    Wien.

    t. Tremere
     
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  15. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Not any more as of V5. The Vienna Chantry was the first target of the Second Inquisition. And I imagine they will try to stick to the V5 lore.
     
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  16. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik Wumao

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    I know, but Victor asked a hypothetical question and I gave a hypothetical answer.
     
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  17. LarryTyphoid Learned

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    Living up to the tag I see
     
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  18. Avarize Magister

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    Wow, a firing squad just emptied their magazines at me and everyone missed. Oh, well that's just the way it is. There couldn't possibly be anything that caused this extremely unlikely event.
     
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  19. Lambach Arcane

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    Not a whole lot to explore there. The KotE books more-or-less state that a Vampire coming into Kuei-jin territory is dead meat (deader than usual, that is) and that's that. Kuei-jin going westward, on the other hand, not only have a real fighting chance against Vampires, but are a serious threat as well. I once saw a post from some guy who described this very well: "It's like the Kuei-jin get a bunch of VtM rule books immediately after their Second Breath and know almost everything about Kindred, but Kindred are apparently retarded and still know next to nothing about the Kuei-jin after all this time"

    Why yes, the KotE books were written by some weebs with serious yellow fever, how could you tell?
     
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  20. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Seen plenty of contradictions to the above. Tzimisce running Tokyo, Ming Xiao having the Mandarin research Kindred, India being Ravnos dominion, etc.
     
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  21. Lambach Arcane

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    Regarding India, the "Asian" parts of the world that Kuei-Jin rule over are "Asian" from the perspective of the book writers - i.e. Americans for whom "Asian" is synonymous with slanty-eyed rice munchers. The Middle-East is also in Asia, but there's no significant Kuei-Jin presence there either. Bloodlines takes more than a few liberties with the PnP lore, so I would call that point moot.

    Didn't about that Tokyo thing, tho, that's pretty interesting. Is that from one of the KotE or VtM books?
     
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  22. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    V5 Camarilla sourcebook.
     
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  23. Matalarata Arcane Patron

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    While this is indeed, extremely and unrefutably true, the in lore reason given in Hengeyokai is that the Middle Kingdom is, generally speaking, more "aware" of the supernatural and many creatures there are actualy quite older than your average kindred. A standard Kue Jin is already mildly more powerful than a western vampire (can more easily act under the sun, just to name one) and is more prone to have alliances with spirits or others. Also better access to magic items. As I was saying before, quite a lot of the overarching prehistory is recapped in a succint but more or less clear way, precisely in those books. So there's that too...

    Still yes, the explanation is the books were written by some gigantic weeb.


    Edit: I talk auld editions tho. I possess 1st and 2nd, dunno about any retcon or modern crap, I steer away.
     
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  24. Lambach Arcane

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    .......... Oh.

    Well that came out some 20 years after the first KotE book, which is what I was talking about. Maybe there's some back-and-forth in east Asia between the Kuei-Jin and Kindred in V5, but I really don't remember there being any significant amount of it back in the older books. But if Bloodlines 2 is as dead-set on being based on V5 as it seems to be, Taipei or Tokyo are as good place as any, I guess.
     
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  25. Lambach Arcane

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    Oh, no doubt. If you take the original KotE books as Gospel Truth, then Ming Xiao is absolutely correct - they are a superior breed and Kindred really are just some lowly blood-licking dogs. VtM had the misfortune of coming out first, so with a couple of exceptions, every other setting that came after it had to dab on Kindred and establish the creatures of the new setting as cooler, better and more powerful than them.
     
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