W40k: Space Marine, aka GoW

[Excidium]

What abour Rites of War, is it good?

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

What was the last game that was a decent representation of what goes on in the Wh40k setting?
Space Hulk 2? Chaos Gate? Final Liberation?

After that there was a constant spam of abstractfag games that don't represent anything.

Chaos Gate was so good, pity it's less stable than PtD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DlxqWk0dHs

This topic is now about Chaos Gate. thx.

Final Liberation was pretty great, too.

I wouldn't call it great. More like decent. It's basically dumbed-down Steel Panthers crossed with dumbed-down tabletop Epic. The AI was pretty bad, especially in skirmish mode and vehicles were made of glass.
It had an awesome actor playing that commissar, though.

What abour Rites of War, is it good?

Rites of War was the moment when they moved from simulationfag to abstractfag and they have never returned. It has lovely graphics and cool voiced briefings, though.

 

[hanssolo]

I wouldn't call it great. More like decent. It's basically dumbed-down Steel Panthers crossed with dumbed-down tabletop Epic. The AI was pretty bad, especially in skirmish mode and vehicles were made of glass.
It had an awesome actor playing that commissar, though.

Well, shit, it wasn't a game for strat-fags, sure. I had some fun with hotseat multiplayer though. 40k really got cold-shouldered as far as strategy games go, other than Chaos Gate. At least Fantasy got Shadow of the Horned Rat and Dark Omen.

 

[Excidium]

It's probably because they don't want "competition" with the tabletop game.

 

[kingcomrade]

penis

 

[fizzelopeguss]

What was the last game that was a decent representation of what goes on in the Wh40k setting?
Space Hulk 2? Chaos Gate? Final Liberation?

After that there was a constant spam of abstractfag games that don't represent anything.

Chaos Gate was so good, pity it's less stable than PtD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DlxqWk0dHs

This topic is now about Chaos Gate. thx.

Final Liberation was pretty great, too.

I wouldn't call it great. More like decent. It's basically dumbed-down Steel Panthers crossed with dumbed-down tabletop Epic. The AI was pretty bad, especially in skirmish mode and vehicles were made of glass.
It had an awesome actor playing that commissar, though.

Fuck this guy.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

I wouldn't call it great. More like decent. It's basically dumbed-down Steel Panthers crossed with dumbed-down tabletop Epic. The AI was pretty bad, especially in skirmish mode and vehicles were made of glass.
It had an awesome actor playing that commissar, though.

Well, shit, it wasn't a game for strat-fags, sure. I had some fun with hotseat multiplayer though. 40k really got cold-shouldered as far as strategy games go, other than Chaos Gate. At least Fantasy got Shadow of the Horned Rat and Dark Omen.

Final Liberation, despite its faults was still a wargamer game. It just didn't utilize the power of computers that allows making a bigger scale game without sacrificing detail (like for example vehicle damage, multiple weapons per squad, etc.) and the developers didn't have skills to implement the organization and command & control rules from Epic (IIRC you don't just move and fire squad by squad in Epic and there are rules that make you do a leadership test for doing stuff like ordering detachment to shoot something other than the nearest target and stuff like that).

It's probably because they don't want "competition" with the tabletop game.

They could have went the real time simulation route as with the WHB games. Just imagine something like Close Combat set in the WH40k. They just went for RTS and abstractfag shooters because they sell the best.

 

[DalekFlay]

Is this based on the Giantbomb quicklook? I have been meaning to watch that.

This is a $20 or less game even if it looks excellent though. The market is just too saturated right now to spend $50 on a fucking shooter unless it is the next big thing like Rage might be.

 

[Mangoose]

By the way, any other consoletard also play Kill Team? It's a short little dual-stick shooter on a Space Hulk, with local co-op.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumQ6Q9EsFo

 

[circ]

Looks infinitely more interesting than Space Marine, and probably what DS3 wishes it could have been in co-op.

 

[Mangoose]

Why won't Obsidian just fix the goddamn camera? Just let me zoom and rotate how I want, and I might actually buy the game.

On Space Marine, I agree it really doesn't look interesting as a game in general. It won't be a classic, or great game. But, it seems to avoid some mainstream faults (cover, regen, no more shitty modern/ww2 settings), and has a fun and interesting setting... and most importantly, there is no fun hack and slasher to play right now. I've also played too many hours of BFV-2-2142 in the last few years that I need an online shooter with more unrealistic twitch gameplay, noting that I really don't like TF2.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Might be a laugh to play as pink jaesun marines in a few codex multi matches.

 

[Ulminati]

also the AI also seem particullary awful even for that kind of game(then again relic s AI always sucked)

I know defending anyone or anything for any reason whatsoever is the easiest way to lose credibility here but: what the fuck? As far as RTS AI goes, Company of Heroes was pretty goddamn decent.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Company of Heroes? No. No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It was only decent in the sense it got a resource bonus and cranked a constant stream of shit at you and ran units all over the place to try to decap points. Supcom2 is undisputed king of RTS AI.

 

[Ulminati]

At least the CoH AI tried finding alternate paths to your cap points if you mined/ambushed the fuck out of a bottleneck. I can count the number of games where the AI learns the location of killzones on one hand.

 

[Mangoose]

Some pics from some community event yesterday:

Not bad. Not great, either, but better than my expectation of just spamming only one button. Nice to have low standards for a game for once, eh?

More pics: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... bd3&type=1

Also from the same guy:

Definitely! The "Normal" mode will hand you your butt if you are not prepared for it. Honestly, I'd recommend starting on Easy if you want to get a good feel for the game and then go on normal. For those purists, Normal will be great from the getgo. If you have those sado-masochist urges then please go for hard. :D The AI is restricted a bit on Easy meaning they won't attack you as much though once they bite in, it is hard to dislodge them. There are a variety of moves though so you have plenty of tactics to squish some Orcs. Against Chaos it is truly overwhelming firepower and CONSTANT movement. On Normal the enemies behave, well, normally. You will be attacked on site and they hit with a normal punch. Be glad for those moments of breathe between battles when they come as this is going to be frenetic.

Could be talking out of his ass, though. I guess we'll see.

Oh apparently an Azn won the tournament and got a chainsword. And here I thought I was the only yellow 40k fanboy (like Defjam I think is the only black one).

 

[Mangoose]

No flames, please. If MHC can go all fucking batshit over hats in the TF2 thread, I can fanboy it up all I want. In fact, if this game gets hats...

 

[Reject_666_6]

You mean, when this game gets hats.

 

[ricolikesrice]

Definitely! The "Normal" mode will hand you your butt if you are not prepared for it. Honestly, I'd recommend starting on Easy if you want to get a good feel for the game and then go on normal. For those purists, Normal will be great from the getgo. If you have those sado-masochist urges then please go for hard. :D The AI is restricted a bit on Easy meaning they won't attack you as much though once they bite in, it is hard to dislodge them. There are a variety of moves though so you have plenty of tactics to squish some Orcs. Against Chaos it is truly overwhelming firepower and CONSTANT movement. On Normal the enemies behave, well, normally. You will be attacked on site and they hit with a normal punch. Be glad for those moments of breathe between battles when they come as this is going to be frenetic.

Could be talking out of his ass, though. I guess we'll see.

hopefully not. the SP videos looked like total shit regarding difficulty/AI behaviour but if that was just easymode for the journalists and this guys claims are true i might still give the game a chance.

 

[Mangoose]

Yeah same. Though I think I will still get the game even if SP sucks, because I like MP shooters and the challenge in MP is always the other team.

The guy who posted the previous impressions should have some multiplayer videos up later today. And hopefully he isn't a shitty player.

 

[Mangoose]

Well this is cool: Roundtable with Relic

 

[Mangoose]

MP vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ze6ie5QO-U

 

[Mangoose]

PC demo on the 23rd!

 

[Menckenstein]

PC demo on the 23rd!

A demo BEFORE the game comes out? Ballsy.

 

[Mangoose]

One hour til the demo!

 

[sgc_meltdown]

mangoose bro

you are p. much the crispy of 40k vidya

 

[Mangoose]

What does Crispy like again?