Warframe

Well, Rivens and certain other mods, like Maiming Strike which is the biggest problem for melee and will probably remain so after melee 3.0. But, neither problem is unsolveable in itself (and in general, the bigger problem is that at least someone in DE seems to have an odd idea of how Warframe is supposed to play; second problem being the mod system in itself at a fundamental level), in case of Rivens it just has to be done in baby steps so everyone keeps their fucking shit together. And actually, rivens do have a built-in excuse for it, since they're supposed to scale to popularity, it's just that DE actually made that completely by hand and until recently didn't change dispositions in two years I think; if you'd do it actively enough for a while lo and behold obvious cases of egrerious beneficiaries of the system like Opticor and Gram Prime would suddenly be dragged in line; in case of the latter I can vouch since I have a pretty strong riven for it, it's not a weapon that needs doubling down on mod bonuses. Or you could just do a switcheroo, and get rid of negative modifiers and grant greater player control over their modifiers (say, make Kuva rolls unlock modifiers to select from, and another Kuva use to cycle weapon instead modifiers) and removing random levels of the modifier and tying disposition into number of modifiers instead, while simultaneously making it so that the modifiers count as the respective mod so the Riven is more like a combo mod (so no stacking multishot even further for example).

Maiming Strike is probs much harder, since Rivens are such an outlier element 99% of the time due to their layers of unpredictability, in Maiming Strike you take a 100% known broken factor and change it and everyone riding it gets mad (so instead all melee is punished with changes to punchthrough and melee, though that ultimately was a fairly benign change and didn't really affect Maiming Strike that much since it just meant you can't use a massive range melee weapon around a corner).

In case of rivens, it really feels more like whoever came up with the idea was something of a one-man-show on the matter, got that thing in and then either left or grew disinterested with it so now it's more of a disruptive legacy feature that failed in its intented purpose spectacularly (goal: Uplift underpowered weapons, reality: Megalift weapons that were powerful but unpopular or just below top tier, or which got a new top tier variant after the fact).


PS: The Tony Hawk thing is actually pretty easy, it's just a matter of rote repetition once you figure out your favourite easy way to spam 3000 point tricks.

 

DE doesn't into balance, I fully expect most of the top weapons to become trash overnight with melee 3.0. You'll also notice that weapons that are considered the ultimate meta have riven stats so low as to be completely worthless I.E Simulor and Tigris.

 

Melee 3.0 is in general a massive sword of Damocles right now (no pun intended), since there appears to be this fundamental misunderstanding on DE's part on what melee NEEDS to be like in a game like Warframe. This isn't the sort of game where you have prolonged combos, this is a horde fighter where your purpose is to move fast and kill as many per swing as you can (this includes the basic misunderstanding they've made: Melee range should not match the physical reach of the weapon, there's a reason why almost nobody uses Fist and why it'd be really fucking easy to mostly rectify this). The current disabling of sprinting while swinging is an ominous sign.

And yea, like said, the whole riven lowdown is that it only benefits the edge cases and the late variant types, it won't matter for weapons that are already at the top of the pile, and since they are such a random factor their real effect is limited.

 

for me it was big disaster when they showed melee30 focusing on overtly complicated animations and how you can aim where you land bullshit

it showed total disconect on fundamental level beetween devs and actual game - their inability to grasp why some weapons and playstyles were popular and that by simply shiting on them and nerfing to oblivion they can forge change

it totaly broke my interest in grinding wf further

plus they made so much effort to promote moas and sticking to their fetish of no universall vacuum for so long only showed further they obviously cant be bothered to play their own game and know shit

it really kills your will to play when devs get out of their way to prove to you theyre worse than total noobs in their own product that they supposedly understand in and out 101% ...

and board thingie is so confusing and you need to go to yt or wiki to understand why the fuck after you did awesome combos for few minutes you landed on 3 000 points [hidden cap for it is just meh] and then you hit P to see how rep is going and then see 750 ... nowhere is clearly said why thers cap on 3k and why yu get 1/4th of it as rep ... total bs

 

You don't really need an awesome combo or even a minute for it (though yes the game doesn't do a particularly stellar job telling you the controls), all you need to go around the back of the shack Fortuna is under, look for the longer pipeline, and then jump to grind on it while charging additional jumps as you can to repeat space->right-click->space pattern in the air before resuming grinding. You'll soon enough hit x30+ modifier for the score after which the landing is elementary. After this you repeat, and soon enough get the gravity bonus mod for jumping with the board so you can do it a bit more easily.

 

Combos have always been a trainwreck as far as I'm concerned, part of that whole move fast kill hordes thing. Any stance that doesn't let you keep moving forward while attacking is trash in my book.

Also completely disappointed with Garuda, being the foul min/maxer I am I like to use level 60 to 155 corrupted heavy gunners as a litmus test for any offensive frame's potential and she flopped even at the level 60 ones, couldn't even put a dent in them with her ultimate or her charge shield at max strength. She has zero scalability so it's another case of just bringing a frame that can do her role better. The only thing she's got going for her are looks. I guess blood altar isn't bad in the fact that it seems to heal even faster than a powered up Broboron, but who wants to be chained to a single location when he can heal from across the map and give a healthy dosage of armor to boot.

 

About rivens: threads suggesting stat locking constantly appear on the forums, but I think they will never do it. I believe that they need to give at least something to us, even simply rerolling numerical values will already be better than nothing. Personally I want the ability to reroll the negative stat, there is just too many rivens that have bad negative but otherwise good. Eidolons drop shitload of riven transmuters, why not use them for this too?

Also I'm curious what will they do with stances that proc statuses in combos, it makes some melee weapons much better, jat kusar without its stance will be complete shit at higher level armored enemies. Also I wonder what they plan to do with scoliac, it is honestly a shitty weapon, riven disposition and main slash damage are its only redeeming quality. Terrible crit stats, low status, it is so much more inferior to atterax. If they'll touch how range mods and maiming strike works they could ruin it, tears of riven buyers will be everywhere on the forum.

 

The other problem is in inputs, only hold RMB and forward with the former overriding are ones that can work, because you need to swing REALLY FUCKING FAST in a horde fighter like Warframe.

The #1 change that melee 3.0 should make it override the combo system to 1) give everything functional forward momentum (another thing is that only few stances have valuable sort of forward momentum, meaning one where you are in control and killing 360, something like the lunge in Gaia's Tragedy is just worthless because it's too abrupt to be controllable and it hits basically nothing, Tempo Royale is basically the perfect stance to base other stances on because it's flashy, flowing, and most of all perfectly in synch with what a combo needs in Warframe), and 2) change inputs to use two attack buttons, having two combo loops to shift between is exactly what it'd need. The more abstract need would be to understand the thing Japanese devs with analoguous gameplay like Platinum or Koei understood a long time ago: In a game where melee is more than an afterthought, you need to design the gameplay around melee, and there's nothing wrong with letting the player be vastly overpowered compared to mooks.

Like, one thing they could add besides a supermove (which they also need to realize needs to be REALLY super, not just a paltry heavy strike when you need to be hitting entire rooms of enemies or obliterate boss health for a bar-based move to be worthwhile) is to say a toggle for melee where primary and secondary are integrated into combo loops while swinging, with the move based on weapon functionality (ie, rapid fire automatics, single shots, AoE cannons) and combo loop (easily just secondary/primary division matching with light/heavy two button inputs).

EDIT: Reach the top of Solaris main rep:

 

Ahh that was quite the moment, wasn't it? Now we get to deal with it for as long as we're in 4tuna. Broke down and spent some rep on fish baits and damn was that ever a good idea, unlike PoE bait where you get 2-4 fish depending on type in a hotspot, Orb Vallis fish seem to come out in hordes when you toss that stuff in. Also a good thing since there's no blueprint for them. So much of my hang ups with getting the new stuff was from fish parts and the baits solved the problem.

 

Whenever I try to fish in Vallis, I get basically fuck-all. Need to still give it another go, need some fish to build the new companion guns.

 

Baits are (still) not even shared for groupmembers. Couldn't leech off Sloppy's investment, all I got was the standard minecraft fishies while he pulled in the fish prime versions. Hunting in groups is bugged too. Unless they sneakfixed it.

Way to promote grouping DE!

 

Don't know if it's the same for everyone, but one of the featured clan dojos ("Bath") has some really cool decorations.

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Well Aarne, looks like you got your work cut out for you. Make our clan greater again!

 

Fuck no I'd rather figure out how to efficiently make multiple functional looking floors.

You know, even if I suppose it would be a nice thing to replicate the first one with the Orokin dragon statue (though I'd put something under that grass rather than have it grow out of the floor).

 

my clan has a very fancy and elaborate dojo. fuck them =_=

 

Wow, why even bother trying to decorate.

 

Baro's selling Primed Point Blank, Pistol Gambit, and Morphic Transformer, and Prisma Dual Cleavers and Prisma Obex this weekend. Plus Axi A5 relics, assassin beacons, and Primed Fast Hands.

 

thats a nice combo for those who missed them in the past

 

fuck, i'm going to miss the obex again =_=

 

Anybody can tell me why DE hates Mag and Limbo?

 

mag i can sort of understand, but limbo? it's already the most powerful frame, what do you want next? for it to bake cakes too?

 

Ability Augment - Caketaclysm

 

So is there a KKKodex or CDS clan?