Incline Warhammer 40,000 Lore Thread

[Storyfag]

-TTS slaaneshi noises-

Improved that for you.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

original fiction doesn't get much views unless it's pornographic in nature.

Embrace the porn pill, brother.

Everything's better with sex.

-slaaneshi noises-

I did an experiment where I wrote two original stories and released them at the same time. One was erotic and the other was not. After about a week, the non-erotic story had less than 100 views while the erotic story had over 1000 views. So I'm definitely tempted to use the "sex sells" excuse as a trojan horse for the non-sexual material that I want to impress upon my readers.

 

[Mangoose]

original fiction doesn't get much views unless it's pornographic in nature.

Embrace the porn pill, brother.

Everything's better with sex.

-slaaneshi noises-

I did an experiment where I wrote two original stories and released them at the same time. One was erotic and the other was not. After about a week, the non-erotic story had less than 100 views while the erotic story had over 1000 views. So I'm definitely tempted to use the "sex sells" excuse as a trojan horse for the non-sexual material that I want to impress upon my readers.

Pft just look at nude mods overtaking every mod these days.

 

[Mangoose]

As concerns 40k specifically, I think there's just too much stuff for anyone to care about and definitely far more than GW is able to manage.

How long is it going to take before you realize 40k is based on Brit humor of the 80s?

The whole point of 40k is to give you questions that they don't even plan to have an answer to. You're being self-aware trolled.

In the Afterword to the last Siege of Terra book:

Literally. One of the key and abiding notes I got from GW during the composition of this novel was ‘retain the mystery’. There is an enormous amount of detail and specificity in this book, but by the end I hope there is still a significant degree of mystery about the lore and the warp and everything else. That’s just as it should be.

Not everything should be explained, or this universe we all love is diminished.

So that line "I forgive you and shall wait for you" is a mindfuck on purpose.

Because we want to be mindfucked.

Because we enjoy 40k for being fucking absurd. Not because it makes sense, but because it doesn't make sense.

Because it's a clownworld that is actually interesting, unlike reality's clownworld.

Again, the point is to be mindfucked. To stare into the Warp.

The Emperor is a divisive figure, fundamental to our lore. Some are devoted to his service, venerating him as the saviour of humanity. Others despise him, regarding him as callous, hubristic and so self-regarding he is the root of all mankind’s woes. Polar extremes, with many gradations of possibility in between. This division of opinion is as true for the 40K community as it is for the characters in-universe. By articulating many opposing and conflicting ideas about him in the course of the book, I am inviting you to consider the answer for yourselves. Where do you stand? The Emperor is inscrutable, a being of many aspects. Is it possible, despite the contradictions, that he is all of those things at once?

Abnett even brought back out the Star Child theory in the second of the stupidly long trilogy. Talk about old school 40k.

Yes. Old school. Original 40k was not serious business. In fact Abnett was intentionally harkening back to the origin, to Rogue Trader:

A further goal I set for myself in The End and the Death was to try to capture a little of the spirit and flavour of ‘old Warhammer’, the Rogue Trader era. There is a distinct difference between the eras of the Heresy and 40K, and we’ve always tried to establish that clearly, but I felt with Book 8 we were really saying goodbye to the golden age of 30K, and it was a last chance to celebrate and salute the really early days, and the sheer, unconfined madness of things like the classic Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness. I still love looking at, and being inspired by, those old volumes, where the IP wasn’t yet fully defined, and creative madness ran wild in the most berserk and ingenious ways.

It's literally the opposite of serious business. It is and always has been trolling.

That being said... Abnett could be writing more Gaunt's Ghosts and Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin/...Valdor this whole time instead of HH and the Siege of Terrra.

 

[Mangoose]

I mean, do you know one of the criticisms of the Primaris Marines?

They look too realistic. Too modern and sleek. Because we like our boxy Dreadnoughts. The huge but useless pauldrons are essential. Looking disproportionate is essential.

Grognards still complain that Chaos Marine miniatures are boring and generic because they want their 80s heavy metal guitar wielding Chaos Marine miniatures back.

... And the smart ones are still playing with the old miniatures.

The smart ones will play older Codices instead of the new ones they don't like.

Nothing is bound. Not even at a gaming shop. Especially not at the gaming shop.

 

[Shig]

I mean, do you know one of the criticisms of the Primaris Marines?

You mean that primaris lore is fucking trash? And if GW had a shred of integrity they would've just called them what they are: new true scale marines. But that would mean their old stocks would've dried up and they couldn't suffer that.

Or do you mean that the primaris helm sculpts are objectively trash when compared to the GOAT Mark VII helm variants?

 

[Mangoose]

I mean, do you know one of the criticisms of the Primaris Marines?

Or do you mean that the primaris helm sculpts are objectively trash when compared to the GOAT Mark VII helm variants?

No, I mean that we think about Primaris in even stupider reasons than that.

Besides, Beakie is the best.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

How long is it going to take before you realize 40k is based on Brit humor of the 80s?

The whole point of 40k is to give you questions that they don't even plan to have an answer to. You're being self-aware trolled.

Ok. I don’t want that. I want to patronize something else. I wish there was something else. I’m frustrated.

 

[Mangoose]

How long is it going to take before you realize 40k is based on Brit humor of the 80s?

The whole point of 40k is to give you questions that they don't even plan to have an answer to. You're being self-aware trolled.

Ok. I don’t want that. I want to patronize something else. I wish there was something else. I’m frustrated.

Me too.

That's why 40k exists. It's a clownworld that's at least entertaining.

Edit: I really have nothing to defend 40k with besides that it's morbidly entertaining. Or entertaining because it's morbid.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

How long is it going to take before you realize 40k is based on Brit humor of the 80s?

The whole point of 40k is to give you questions that they don't even plan to have an answer to. You're being self-aware trolled.

Ok. I don’t want that. I want to patronize something else. I wish there was something else. I’m frustrated.

Me too.

That's why 40k exists. It's a clownworld that's at least entertaining.

Edit: I really have nothing to defend 40k with besides that it's morbidly entertaining. Or entertaining because it's morbid.

You don’t have to defend 40k to me. I used to like it, but my tastes have changed and I no longer like it. I feel that way about a lot of things. There’s just not anything else to move on to.

 

[Mangoose]

How long is it going to take before you realize 40k is based on Brit humor of the 80s?

The whole point of 40k is to give you questions that they don't even plan to have an answer to. You're being self-aware trolled.

Ok. I don’t want that. I want to patronize something else. I wish there was something else. I’m frustrated.

Me too.

That's why 40k exists. It's a clownworld that's at least entertaining.

Edit: I really have nothing to defend 40k with besides that it's morbidly entertaining. Or entertaining because it's morbid.

You don’t have to defend 40k to me. I used to like it, but my tastes have changed and I no longer like it. I feel that way about a lot of things. There’s just not anything else to move on to.

Just thought of one

Terry Pritchard.

I think he's the only person who had managed to maintain creativity in the same setting for.. a shitload of products. This is because, by nature, an IP develops more canon over time.. and canon limits what you can write. There are story ideas you have but you can't because of contradictory facts.

On that note, you could look at IPs that plenty of non-canon material. For example, DC and all its "Elseworlds" stuff is where DC is at. Kingdom Come. The Dark Knight Returns. All-Star Superman. Vertigo.

In fact Miller's The Dark Knight Returns + Miller's Batman Year One + Burton's Batman came out at ~the same time~ and set the tone for modern Batman despite only Year One being Canon. Then Bruce Timm's Batman the Animated Series maintained that tone until it still continues in the comics. Yet BTAS is not canon either. But it still defines things... Kevin Conroy (RIP) is well associated Bruce's voice, Mark Hamill is the definitive Joker voice...

You need an IP that doesn't limit itself by its nature as an IP/franchise. Not easy, true. Not easy.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Here’s a radical thought: stop limiting yourself to monolithic IPs? But to be honest, I think that’s just a symptom of a deeper problem.

Something I’ve realized is that most people just aren’t creative, or don’t want creativity, or are afraid to exercise their creativity. They don’t actually care about creation or storytelling or critical blah blah blah. They just want irrelevant factoids to argue over and a community in which to do so. It’s a self-inflicted circle of hell.

 

[Mangoose]

Here’s a radical thought: stop limiting yourself to monolithic IPs?

Yup. Strategies I'd use: Follow the writer. Follow (detailed) word of mouth.

Something I’ve realized is that most people just aren’t creative, or don’t want creativity, or are afraid to exercise their creativity. They don’t actually care about creation or storytelling or critical blah blah blah. They just want irrelevant factoids to argue over and a community in which to do so. It’s a self-inflicted circle of hell.

Oh jeez this is a pet peeve.

It gets annoying when all these factoids have nothing to do with the theme of a story. Forget Star Wars vs Star Trek. There are arguments whether Luke was more powerful or whether Anakin was more powerful. Someone actually says Luke was more badass in his violence than when he denied the Emperor by surrendering.

It happens in really wholesome shit that even more promotes peace, especially solving problems without violence - Avatar the Last Airbender. The show also presents a "life lesson" in each episode. Not SJW or anything but general life wisdom. That's why a cartoon makes it to the top 12 or so on the IMDB lol.

It's fucked up. Then again, all we do in school, pre-uni is learn facts. We never learn understanding. They don't want you to to even try understanding things. There isn't even a "science class." It's Nature Church with the Nature Bible. I know that because doing Engineering in uni was way fucking different.

And my favorite question is "why?" which is why I'm so pissed off loolo.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Yeah. The modern model of schooling was invented by Prussia to prepare citizens for military service. The humanities are a joke.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Anyhoo, I just don’t like the aesthetics of the Imperium. I said I despise it before, but that’s an overstatement. I’m just not into it. I’m not into the gothic architecture, the Catholic-inspired religiosity, the WWII influences, etc. It just doesn’t speak to me. 40k doesn’t go into actual theology with any depth, so it’s just cosmetic aesthetics chosen because they look superficially cool. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn’t appeal to me personally.

Maybe it’s because I’m not British, I guess. I’m looking for, idk, Middle America in space?

 

[Mangoose]

Anyhoo, I just don’t like the aesthetics of the Imperium. I said I despise it before, but that’s an overstatement. I’m just not into it. I’m not into the gothic architecture, the Catholic-inspired religiosity, the WWII influences, etc. It just doesn’t speak to me. 40k doesn’t go into actual theology with any depth, so it’s just cosmetic aesthetics chosen because they look superficially cool. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn’t appeal to me personally.

Maybe it’s because I’m not British, I guess. I’m looking for, idk, Middle America in space?

Fuck it, just read

 

[Mangoose]

..Wait-a-minute...

If there's an Alpha Primaris
What about an Omega Ultimis?

I mean it's Cawl.

 

[Mangoose]

Wait. RaggleFraggle have you finished all the Gaunt's Ghosts and Commissar Cain books? If not, go finish them. They haven't changed in tone or seriousness or anything. No decline. While the 40k setting is in general over-the-top, it's also "over the top" in terms of what's available in the setting. Anything really can be written in the setting. Serious stuff is possible, so the stuff you already liked should be still enjoyable.

 

[Mangoose]

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