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ValeVelKal

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The first half of the game is is pretty decent but later the AI will show how bad it is later when you get to use a single super tank or titan to choke entire enemy army and just bomb it to oblivion.
Possible. I have had case already where the AI clutters to a choke point where I have an armor on the other side, realize it won't deal damage or significant damage to said armor, stop there without attacking, and does not rotate the unit the next turn. In Rites of War it would rotate the unit, or attack at desperate odds. On the other hand, in Rites of War the Imperials & Space Marines have more fliers and artillery to avoid being too exploited.

There were other problems like if I recall well there was no soft/hard distinction of armor.
There is no need since each unit has armor and each weapon has its own armor penetration, independently from damage caused. So an high penetration low damage weapon would be overkill against a medium armor compared to a medium penetration high damage weapon. Weapons with no armor penetration will do 0 damage to heavily armored units.


Did you play Order of Battle by the way ?

No, I got in in my backlog but I never get around playing it, mostly due mixed opinions I always get about it.
The campaigns in Order of Battle (sold individually as DLC) are very unequal. "Kriegsmarine" and "US Marine" are the worst, the ones in the Pacific are really good and cover fronts not often seen (eg Japan-in-China, or Burma, which are two great campaigns).

Many veterans of Panzer General were put off because Order of Battle is the first one to break some PG codes, in particular 4 changes that did not please everyone :
- It is unwise to always upgrade to the best unit in its category because instead of the rule "one unit = one slot", each unit takes more or less slots depending on its weight. So a Stuart would take 5 "land slots", a Sherman 6 "land slots" and a Jumbo 7 "land slots".
- There is a whole "energy / efficiency" system. Units that move across difficult terrain, that attack, that are attacked loses efficiency. Heavier armor lose more in difficult terrain, which is another reason not to pack only heavy armor but keep light tanks.
Due to those two changes, plus larger gap in price between say Panzer IV and Tiger than in PG, no one would for instance run a Königstiger army by the end of the German campaign, but rather a small number of heavy tank supported by more flexible and cheaper medium.
- Artillery deals decreasing damage depending on how much hit points the target has left. Same with planes vs planes. It also deals relatively little damage but loses efficiency every shoot, which means you need to "rest" it from time to time. There is also a huge gap in artillery weight depending on size, so if you use only the heavier and most mobile guns you will have a lot less tubes.
- Finally, there is the whole "supply" system. All units must track to a supply production place (or to supply ships), which means that you will try to cut off the enemy... and you can easily be cut off.

Overall, I believe all those changes are very positive for the genre but they are changes and gamers are conservative, especially people who played Panzer General clones since PG1 or PG2 :). Just make sure you play the correct campaigns.
 
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There is no need since each unit has armor and each weapon has its own armor penetration, independently from damage caused. So an high penetration low damage weapon would be overkill against a medium armor compared to a medium penetration high damage weapon. Weapons with no armor penetration will do 0 damage to heavily armored units.

Problem was in the balancing, even in early game there were normal units that were better against armor then actual anti armor units.

The more I think about the game the more I remember things that annoyed me, I do recall moral system being broken and flying units being useless since anyone could attack them.

Again I dont know if any of those things got fixed with patches after I played it.


The campaigns in Order of Battle (sold individually as DLC) are very unequal. "Kriegsmarine" and "US Marine" are the worst, the ones in the Pacific are really good and cover fronts not often seen (eg Japan-in-China, or Burma, which are two great campaigns).

Many veterans of Panzer General were put off because Order of Battle is the first one to break some PG codes, in particular 4 changes that did not please everyone :
- It is unwise to always upgrade to the best unit in its category because instead of the rule "one unit = one slot", each unit takes more or less slots depending on its weight. So a Stuart would take 5 "land slots", a Sherman 6 "land slots" and a Jumbo 7 "land slots".
- There is a whole "energy / efficiency" system. Units that move across difficult terrain, that attack, that are attacked loses efficiency. Heavier armor lose more in difficult terrain, which is another reason not to pack only heavy armor but keep light tanks.
Due to those two changes, plus larger gap in price between say Panzer IV and Tiger than in PG, no one would for instance run a Königstiger army by the end of the German campaign, but rather a small number of heavy tank supported by more flexible and cheaper medium.
- Artillery deals decreasing damage depending on how much hit points the target has left. Same with planes vs planes. It also deals relatively little damage but loses efficiency every shoot, which means you need to "rest" it from time to time. There is also a huge gap in artillery weight depending on size, so if you use only the heavier and most mobile guns you will have a lot less tubes.
- Finally, there is the whole "supply" system. All units must track to a supply production place (or to supply ships), which means that you will try to cut off the enemy... and you can easily be cut off.

Overall, I believe all those changes are very positive for the genre but they are changes and gamers are conservative, especially people who played Panzer General clones since PG1 or PG2 :). Just make sure you play the correct campaigns.

You made me interested in the game, Ill wait for a sale on a better campaign to try it out.
 

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My list from best to worst Warhammer games I played:

Shadow of the Horned Rat
Dark Omen
As much as I adore Shadow of the Horned Rat, the technological gulf between 1995 and its 1998 sequel seems vast. Horned Rat has to contend with choppy animation, dirt basic sound design, non-existent level design, and office intern voice acting. Dark Omen is a triumph in all those areas.

Shadow of the Horned Rat does offer one thing Dark Omen does not - an extensive tour of the Old World (with a sarcastic accountant). Most missions in Dark Omen serve the greater story, with a focus that builds an oppressive gothic atmosphere. Horned Rat casts a wider net. There's several alternate paths to add replayability. Some enemies, like giants or squigs, can only be seen once in optional missions. Bernhardt is at his most mercenary, able to take various side jobs while ignoring the plot-critical elf who keeps insisting he has important business.

I don't miss an artillery misfire potentially resulting in blowing the crew to smithereens though.
 

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My list from best to worst Warhammer games I played:

Shadow of the Horned Rat
Dark Omen
As much as I adore Shadow of the Horned Rat, the technological gulf between 1995 and its 1998 sequel seems vast. Horned Rat has to contend with choppy animation, dirt basic sound design, non-existent level design, and office intern voice acting. Dark Omen is a triumph in all those areas.

Shadow of the Horned Rat does offer one thing Dark Omen does not - an extensive tour of the Old World (with a sarcastic accountant). Most missions in Dark Omen serve the greater story, with a focus that builds an oppressive gothic atmosphere. Horned Rat casts a wider net. There's several alternate paths to add replayability. Some enemies, like giants or squigs, can only be seen once in optional missions. Bernhardt is at his most mercenary, able to take various side jobs while ignoring the plot-critical elf who keeps insisting he has important business.

I don't miss an artillery misfire potentially resulting in blowing the crew to smithereens though.

I agree with you that Omen is a superior, more polished product, but Rat is still my favorite game. Partially due nostalgia of pain and suffering the games difficulty and random FUCK YOU moments the game threw at you. Also I think that it did better the atmosphere of the world as a unforgiving, dangerous place where survival is main concern.
 

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Mark Of Chaos & Chaos March may not be perfect, but still seem to be leagues above the shit they're producing today. With the exception of the Total War games. Spacehulk just seems to be a shooter, and Neocore still can't seem to release a game that works.

I'll probably wait until the Total War titles are a complete set (with all DLC) in a sale, as I refuse to pay for a game & all DLC in a sale, and still have it cost twice as much as a new release.
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Final Liberation

Anybody knows how to get this to play decently on Windows 10? GOG version seems pretty borked with lots of people online having issues.

Game crashed to Desktop last time I played, I could fix that issue with a some fan patch but it still played really slow and choppy, so I had to give up on it.
 

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S+ tier: DoW1
S tier: Dark Omen
A tier: Chaos Gate, Rites of War, DoW2
B tier: Final Liberation, Sanctus Reach, Gladius, Spayce Muhrine and Shadow of the Horny Rat
C tier: Mark Wahlberg of Chaos, The Incredible Spayce Hulk (2013)

Alternatively you could use A,B,C,D,E tier like a normal human being. S,S+, fuck off with that shit.
 
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The only Warhammer game I care for is Dark Omen. It's still a real pleasure to play today. Together with Myth this game has a very special place in my tactician's heart.
 
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i played only its demo and i'll probably never forget how exhilarating was hearing that "chaaaaaaarge!". same reason i don't want to actually play it. today. i'm pretty sure it didn't age well at all.
 

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I always preferred Shadow of the Horned Rat to Dark Omen. Don't get me wrong, Dark Omen was great for its time, and one of the better WFB adaptations.
But I really didn't like the fact that every mission was a defensive mission really, even if the beginning would suggest otherwise. I also preferred the 2D commander portraits to the 3D figures of Dark Omen.
A pity the Mark of Chaos failed so hard when trying to emulate those games.
 

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I played the game ages ago so maybe they changed something about XP with patches but when I played it was pretty much impossible to level units above 5-6 since the xp penalty was too high. In PG games you had option of expensive elite reinforcements that didnt drain your XP.

The first half of the game is is pretty decent but later the AI will show how bad it is later when you get to use a single super tank or titan to choke entire enemy army and just bomb it to oblivion.

There were other problems like if I recall well there was no soft/hard distinction of armor.

I just found the game to be very flawed and just mediocre.
Actually, not being able to deal with titans is not a flaw of the AI, but of the game system itself.
I vehemently opposed inifinite retaliation during beta, because it would lead to just that:
A titan is blocking a chokepoint. If you attack 10 times, you will give him 10 retaliations, and take much more damage than he will. It's better to do nothing, but it doesn't really help you (except when the human player is on a timed mission. Then doing nothing is much better than attacking a titan for the AI).
The Warlord used to be in beta iirc, but it could never be balanced.
 

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I played the game ages ago so maybe they changed something about XP with patches but when I played it was pretty much impossible to level units above 5-6 since the xp penalty was too high. In PG games you had option of expensive elite reinforcements that didnt drain your XP.

The first half of the game is is pretty decent but later the AI will show how bad it is later when you get to use a single super tank or titan to choke entire enemy army and just bomb it to oblivion.

There were other problems like if I recall well there was no soft/hard distinction of armor.

I just found the game to be very flawed and just mediocre.
Actually, not being able to deal with titans is not a flaw of the AI, but of the game system itself.
I vehemently opposed inifinite retaliation during beta, because it would lead to just that:
A titan is blocking a chokepoint. If you attack 10 times, you will give him 10 retaliations, and take much more damage than he will. It's better to do nothing, but it doesn't really help you (except when the human player is on a timed mission. Then doing nothing is much better than attacking a titan for the AI).
The Warlord used to be in beta iirc, but it could never be balanced.

Enemy just doesnt have much in a way of countering super heavy units so he just rushes blindly with closest units.

Its a problem with the game system, but also level design with both map layout and enemy composition, and AI.
 

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GW Games I loved, and that are still great:
- Chaos Gate: The one I preferred, both in atmosphere and gameplay.
- Final Liberation: Pretty great too, but titan spam spoils the end game. Also, I think the game system lacks nuance, and made weird balance changes by mixing Steel Panthers, Epic Space Marines, and Epic 40K. Also, where are the promised expansions?
- Dawn of War: Why did they have to butcher its sequels?
- Blood Bowl #: It also perfectly reproduces GW eye gouging practices
- Dark Omen
- Warhammer Total War : it is quite "fiddly", but really addictive
- Rites of War: I thought the rest of the serie was at the operational scale. Why am I playing with the same system at the squad/hero scale? Granted, it was the same for Fantasy General. Still a solid entry, but I much prefer the other SSI 40K games.

Almost There:
- 40K Deathwatch: Cool level design, and game system, spoiled by a slow movement speed, a bad UI, and a terribly bad looting system. Still a pretty good game despite all of it
- Mordheim: Nice system, but fiddling with doorway and positionning can get old, and it forces risk avoidance too much, as wounds can be crippling.
- Gladius: the best of the recent 40K games IMO. It has a nice combat system, but the economic system is needlessly complicated, and is more about optimizing production than meaningful choice (ie, you don't really choose how to specialize, but you need to assess the right number of buildings of each type to get to avoid the spiral of slow economic death).
- Sanctus Reach: Good system, but wtf were they thinking about having a campaign where you control a random subset of your force pool (you don't even know what is in here...) every battle?
- MEchanicus: Poolry balanced, with a tons of option to balance it yourself. I suppose some settings work to give a satisfying experience? It is oozing with atmosphere, though.
- Dawn of War 2: Not as good as the one, but the SP campaign was nice.
- Battlefleet Gothic mobile: This one is faithful to the tabletop, but on a mobile screen, with a mediocre UI, I found it took too long to play. Still a good adaptation I think (well, I cannot be 100% sure given I never played the TT).

Not quite there, but playable
-Space Wolf: The game is playable on PC (have fun playing on mobile without paying, with 3% of the card pool). It is an OK card based tactical game, but feels a bit repetitive, and getting cards is very grindy (unless you feel like copy pasting promo codes every week...)
- Warhammer Quest: Quite addictive, but repetitive too, and feels like an endless grind.
- Any modern flavor of Space Hulk: Deathwing has tons of documented issues, the board game port was way too slow, with a dumb alien AI. Ascension is not bad, though, but the UI still felt unresponsive. I haven't tried SH: Tactics
- 40K Armageddon: Not much to add. All has been said on the thread. I still like it despite its flaws, though
- Freeblade: enjoyable, until it try to coerce you to watch adds or give money...
- Adeptus Titanicus: I think it uses the rules of Epic 2nd edition (also named Adeptus Titanicus) or maybe one of the latter rulesets. It is still in early Access. It plays well currenrlty, but lacks content (no campaign, and not a lot of different enemies to face). It only features Titans. Knights have been hinted, but it won't have the combined arms we all loved from Final Liberation (partly because of licensing issues. GW hands a lot of licences over, but with very restrictive conditions). It has the same issue as its TT counterpart: when Adeptus Titanicus (1st edition) came out, it felt like a barebone Battletech. I suppose it is the reason why vehicles and infantry were added (leading to Space Marines and Epic).
- Legacy of Dorn: Herald of Oblivion: hoose your Own adventure . They sadly just lost the licence. It was a "good for what it is" game: It also has all the issues of COYA (choices that seem arbitrary, and not the most interesting combat in the world), but it was a good exemple of the genre, with nice retro presentation.

Could be good with 10 times the development time
- Man o War: What would happen if you took Akella games (Sea Dogs, City of Abandonned ships), stripped down the combat, the content and made the UI worse, while porting them to the Warhammer universe. The game could have been good with better melee combat, but in its current state, it is barely serviceable. The gameplay is worse than MnB mods on sea.


GW games I loved that probably didn't age well
- Space Crusade (Atari ST) : It didn't age well, and is very random, too slow and a bit repetitive. Still interesting as the decisions are usually not that easy (as your marines can die pretty quickly, you constantly have to weight getting back to the ship, or pushing with the mission.
- Space Hulk[1993], the tactical kind of FPS with pause timer. This one was the most stressful of the space hulk implementations, and probably the best. But I am not sure the action part has aged well (and it was a bit wonky already).

WTF were they thinking with their licence?
- Storm of Vengenace : yes, 40K totally needed a mobile game about "lane warfare" on Steam
- Regicide: Maybe it is good, who knows? I just don't see the appeal of Chess 40K
- Horus Heresy Drop Pod Assault: Another mobile game (Boom beach 40K) that tries to make you play when it wants, and not when you want.
- Fire Warrior: Well, I have never tried it. Maybe is it better than I gave it credit for?
- Warhammer 40K: Kill Team : Warhammer turned into a simple, mediocre arcade game.

Bad GW games that got a faithful port
- Talisman: Chutes and ladder. It could be fun with beers and friends, but certainly not played by yourself on a screen.


Unknown:
Space Hulk: Revenge of the Blood Angels: Probably good Tactical FPS (it has a lot of supporters on Gog for sure)?
Battlefleet Gothic 1&2: They both appear solid, but I tried neither yet (but BFG2 seemed rushed from what I had read).
Aeronotica Imperialis: Not much enthusiasm for this one. I suppose it lacks content?


Unsorted mobile games (probably not any good?)
Mordheim: Warband Skirmish
Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Realm War
The Horus Heresy: Legions
Warhammer: Chaos & Conquest
Warhammer: Doomwheel


Freewares:
Space Crusade: Faithful to the original. Going with a single squad is very hard. With 3, it is too easy. Haven't tried 2.
Chapter Master: Well, Interstellar Army Simulator thanks to Games Workshop hating fans doing a better job than some of the devs who bought their licenses. There is a link to the 40K mod.
Fumbbl: BloodBowl for those who don't mind simple sprites or don't like getting nickel and dimed 10 times for the same game. Also less buggy than the Cyanide version.
The better Space Hulk: What if space Hulk didn't have "cinematic" walking animations that take ages to play, and a braindead AI? Here you go! This one is as faithful as possible to the TT, and it works well (as in the TT, the odds are against you, so good luck!).

Mount and Blade: Warsword Conquest is a comprehensive Warhammer mod for MnB: Warband. I tried it a long time ago, and it worked just fine iirc.

Warhammer and 40K mods:
Call of Warhammer for Medieval 2 Total War (magic and heroes are better in Total Warhammer,but the sieges are much better in MTW2).
There are a tons of war for Arma 3, I tried some ages ago, but I didn't follow much. I think the main one is this one.
40K mod for Open X-COM Yay for Space Marines that cannot hit the broad side of a barn (heh, I guess that's why they have swords!). Pretty cool, but some changes are a bit wonky (like Chimera troop transports replacing UFO).
40K XCOM2 mod list to make your own mini overhaul, but it will still feel wonky as some parts of the game will remain unchanged. Or maybe this one?

Final Liberation: There was a Chaos Mod, but it was never finished, that should be somewhere on this page. Some guy also made a mod to alter unit values and add moar Space marines here, but it is a bit bugged, so you may have to dig into it yourself.
Bonus: making Final Liberation work on Windows 10


Men of War Assault Squad 2: I never tried this one, but it seems to feature both SP and MP.

Dawn of War: Armageddon: Because bigger is better!



 
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Unknown:
Space Hulk: Revenge of the Blood Angels: Probably good Tactical FPS?

It was quite good and there are 2 things that it did better than any other subsequent Space Hulk game:
1. Vox chatter between your squad-mates and your commander.
2. You got to fight chaos, not only jeanstealers.
 

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GW Games I loved, and that are still great:
- Chaos Gate: The one I preferred, both in atmosphere and gameplay.
- Final Liberation: Pretty great too, but titan spam spoils the end game. Also, I think the game system lacks nuance, and made weird balance changes by mixing Steel Panthers, Epic Space Marines, and Epic 40K. Also, where are the promised expansions?
- Dawn of War: Why did they have to butcher its sequels?
- Blood Bowl #: It also perfectly reproduces GW eye gouging practices
- Dark Omen
- Warhammer Total War : it is quite "fiddly", but really addictive
- Rites of War: I thought the rest of the serie was at the operational scale. Why am I playing with the same system at the squad/hero scale? Granted, it was the same for Fantasy General. Still a solid entry, but I much prefer the other SSI 40K games.

Almost There:
- 40K Deathwatch: Cool level design, and game system, spoiled by a slow movement speed, a bad UI, and a terribly bad looting system. Still a pretty good game despite all of it
- Mordheim: Nice system, but fiddling with doorway and positionning can get old, and it forces risk avoidance too much, as wounds can be crippling.
- Gladius: the best of the recent 40K games IMO. It has a nice combat system, but the economic system is needlessly complicated, and is more about optimizing production than meaningful choice (ie, you don't really choose how to specialize, but you need to assess the right number of buildings of each type to get to avoid the spiral of slow economic death).
- Sanctus Reach: Good system, but wtf were they thinking about having a campaign where you control a random subset of your force pool (you don't even know what is in here...) every battle?
- MEchanicus: Poolry balanced, with a tons of option to balance it yourself. I suppose some settings work to give a satisfying experience? It is oozing with atmosphere, though.
- Dawn of War 2: Not as good as the one, but the SP campaign was nice.

Not quite there, but playable
-Space Wolf: The game is playable on PC (have fun playing on mobile without paying, with 3% of the card pool). It is an OK card based tactical game, but feels a bit repetitive, and getting cards is very grindy (unless you feel like copy pasting promo codes every week...)
- Warhammer Quest: Quite addictive, but repetitive too, and feels like an endless grind.
- Any modern flavor of Space Hulk: Deathwing has tons of documented issues, the board game port was way too slow, with a dumb alien AI. Ascension is not bad, though, but the UI still felt unresponsive. I haven't tried SH: Tactics
- 40K Armageddon: Not much to add. All has been said on the thread

GW games I loved that probably didn't age well
- Space Crusade (Atari ST) : It didn't age well, and is very random, too slow and a bit repetitive. Still interesting as the decisions are usually not that easy (as your marines can die pretty quickly, you constantly have to weight getting back to the ship, or pushing with the mission.
- Space Hulk[1993], the tactical kind of FPS with pause timer. This one was the most stressful of the space hulk implementations, and probably the best. But I am not sure the action part has aged well (and it was a bit wonky already).

WTF were they thinking with their licence?
- Freeblade: enjoyable, until it try to coerce you to watch adds or give money...
- Storm of Vengenace : yes, 40K totally needed a mobile game about "lane warfare" on Steam
- Regicide: Maybe it is good, who knows? I just don't see the appeal of Chess 40K
- Horus Heresy Drop Pod Assault: Another mobile game (Boom beach 40K) that tries to make you play when it wants, and not when you want.
- Fire Warrior: Well, I have never tried it. Maybe is it better than I gave it credit for?
- Warhammer 40K: Kill Team : Warhammer turned into a simple, mediocre arcade game.
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Unknown:
Space Hulk: Revenge of the Blood Angels: Probably good Tactical FPS?

Unsorted mobile games (probably not any good?)
Mordheim: Warband Skirmish
Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Realm War
The Horus Heresy: Legions
Warhammer: Chaos & Conquest
Warhammer: Doomwheel


I'll add a section about the good 40K mods.
Fire Warrior is as bad as you give it credit for. I really like Freeblade and did not pay much that I would have paid a normal PC game, actually less.
I changed my tune on Armaggeddon and yeah, it is pretty bad EXCEPT the Orc Hunter campaign which is great because you don't have Titans & shit but just foot that dies in seconds so the AI is not stuck in front of units it cannot harm. It really feels like a totally different balancing than Armageddon and I recommand it to anyone who liked Rites of Wars but not Armaggeddon.


it seems you are missing the Talisman games (in Warhammer universe, terrible), Necrumunda (not played), Man O' War (terrible), and the Battlefleet Gothic (I heard great things about them).
 

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Fire Warrior is as bad as you give it credit for. I really like Freeblade and did not pay much that I would have paid a normal PC game, actually less.
I changed my tune on Armaggeddon and yeah, it is pretty bad EXCEPT the Orc Hunter campaign which is great because you don't have Titans & shit but just foot that dies in seconds so the AI is not stuck in front of units it cannot harm. It really feels like a totally different balancing than Armageddon and I recommand it to anyone who liked Rites of Wars but not Armaggeddon.


it seems you are missing the Talisman games (in Warhammer universe, terrible), Necrumunda (not played), Man O' War (terrible), and the Battlefleet Gothic (I heard great things about them).
Indeed! I will upodate my post. Thanks!

I changed my tune on Armaggeddon and yeah, it is pretty bad EXCEPT the Orc Hunter campaign which is great because you don't have Titans & shit but just foot that dies in seconds so the AI is not stuck in front of units it cannot harm. It really feels like a totally different balancing than Armageddon and I recommand it to anyone who liked Rites of Wars but not Armaggeddon.

The first Imperial Guard campaign (or part of the campaign?) is also good, as it features no super heavy.
Space Marines show why the model falls actually: as they are much stronger, they had to limit them to much smaller group size, but it makes no sense at all (because 10 marines will face retaliation from 50 ork boyz every single time, so if 5*10 marines engage 50 boys, the boys will get to shoot 5 times as much...)
 
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And Vermintide games together with other h&s, since we are not limiting ourselves to strategy games.
 

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Dawn of War 1 with Winter Assault and Dark Crusade

Good Games:
Rites of War
Total War: Warhammer 1 + 2
Chaos Gate
Vermintide 2

OK-ish games:
Final Liberation
Vermintide
Dawn of War 2
Mechanicus

So-so games, but you can play them if you like the setting:
Space Marine
Mark of Chaos

AVOID:
Fire Warrior
Chaosbane
 

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Final Liberation

Anybody knows how to get this to play decently on Windows 10? GOG version seems pretty borked with lots of people online having issues.

Game crashed to Desktop last time I played, I could fix that issue with a some fan patch but it still played really slow and choppy, so I had to give up on it.
Have you tried disabling cutscenes?
Pity that game loses most of its charm that way.
 

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Fire Warrior is as bad as you give it credit for. I really like Freeblade and did not pay much that I would have paid a normal PC game, actually less.
I changed my tune on Armaggeddon and yeah, it is pretty bad EXCEPT the Orc Hunter campaign which is great because you don't have Titans & shit but just foot that dies in seconds so the AI is not stuck in front of units it cannot harm. It really feels like a totally different balancing than Armageddon and I recommand it to anyone who liked Rites of Wars but not Armaggeddon.


it seems you are missing the Talisman games (in Warhammer universe, terrible), Necrumunda (not played), Man O' War (terrible), and the Battlefleet Gothic (I heard great things about them).
Indeed! I will upodate my post. Thanks!

I changed my tune on Armaggeddon and yeah, it is pretty bad EXCEPT the Orc Hunter campaign which is great because you don't have Titans & shit but just foot that dies in seconds so the AI is not stuck in front of units it cannot harm. It really feels like a totally different balancing than Armageddon and I recommand it to anyone who liked Rites of Wars but not Armaggeddon.

The first Imperial Guard campaign (or part of the campaign?) is also good, as it features no super heavy.
Space Marines show why the model falls actually: as they are much stronger, they had to limit them to much smaller group size, but it makes no sense at all (because 10 marines will face retaliation from 50 ork boyz every single time, so if 5*10 marines engage 50 boys, the boys will get to shoot 5 times as much...)
Indeed the first chapter of the base campaign is cool, until you start to be able to use Titans.
I did not buy any Space Marines for the base campaign (so only had the free hero) and it was nonetheless totally broken due to titans.

I feel Space Marines infantry is balanced. They may be only 15 or 20 of them, but with 2 HP each they have 30 or 40 HP, vs 30 for a normal Steel Legion infantry squad. They have high initiative, they shoot first, they are more accurate than orks, and since they have also high attack value and decent penetration, they usually kill way more Orks than the Imperial Legion do before receiving the attack

For instance :
SM Tactical Squad : 20 guys with 2 HP and two shoots each. 60% unit accuracy and no weapon inaccuracy, so that's 40 attacks and 24 hit. Bolter has 35 in attack value 25 in penetration, against typical Orc who has 31 in defense (value for all ork infantry Orks infantry except Armored Noobs, Hard Boys, WArboss and Kommandos) . Wound chance is "50% + Attack - Defense after penetration" so 79%. 80% of 24 hits is 20 wounds against units without cover. An orc infantry unit has between 25HP and 50HP so that's a big clean up.
Meanwhile the Steel Legion Infantry is 30 guys with 1 HP and two shoots each, 50% unit accuracy and no weapon inaccuracy, so that's 60 attacks and 30 hits. Their weapons have 20 in attack value and 0 in penetratioin vs 31 in defense so around40% of the hits become wounds - 12 wounds per attack.


Meanwhile, Orks typically have typically 2 attacks and around 30% unit accuracy but also 80% WEAPON accuracy, so 40 orcs will hit 19 times. As for penetration :
SM have 40 armor (50 for Salamanders), while Steel Legions have 35 armors.
Ork "normal" weapons have 35 attack value // 10 penetration at best, and 80% weapon accuracy, so typically their 19 hits will wound the SM 55% of time and the Steel legion 60% of the time so end damage is going 10 wounds vs SM and 11 wounds vs legions (9 vs Salamanders).

Except that the Space Marines always shot first and the Steel Infantry usually shot first, and in one case against SM the Orks lost around 40% of their staff minimum (up to 80%) so really they only inflict 6 wounds at best, and in the other case against Imperial Guard they lost 25% of their staff so the 11 wound become 9 wounds.
Add to this that Space Marines gain (or rather keep) experience faster as all "high HP" units, and each level of experience is +5% accuracy and -2% accuracy for the other side, and it is clear that the Space Marines are worth it.

So it really works wells and IMO Space Marines have actually too many advantages vs the base imperial guards (the big Space Marines problem when you cannot mix units is lack of super-cheap units and lack of support weapons).

Or rather as you said it works well until the Titans, because their defense value (110+) makes them iimmune to anything that has attack value + penetration below 60 (eg all infantry except Tankbusta and Kommandos, even then Kommandos only have this kind of penetration in melee so they are usually dead by then), and what has more than that is rare on the battlefield (so quickly killed) and has few shoots. In addition, Titans don't die since it is 1 Titan with a lot of HP by unit, so they never lose experience, so they quickly receive +50% accuracy (which they don't really need) and the other side has -20% to hit them. The only dangerous unit for your Titan is another Ork titan (which go up to 130 armor and 150 attack value), which are probably one to one superior to your own titans but are not really supported in anti-titan role by many other units, while you can damage them with a unit as cheap as your AT infantry (75 attack value and 35% penetration). Also they always shoot last.

Hence why the Ork Hunter campaign is so cool, it is almost only infantry vs infantry and even small armor makes the difference. I am still to play a few of the campaigns though, including the Da Orks one.
 
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There was an almost comprehensive list of 40K games here:

https://www.pcgamer.com/best-warhammer-40k-games/

Every Warhammer 40,000 game, ranked


By Jody Macgregor 25 days ago

We played them all to determine which space marines, orks, tech-priests and tyranids are worth your time.
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PC Gamer Ranked are our ridiculously comprehensive lists of the best, worst, and everything in-between from every corner of PC gaming.

The first edition of the tabletop wargame Warhammer 40,000 set down the setting's tone in 1987. It described humanity's future in bleak terms, summing up what it's like to be a citizen of the Imperium like this: "To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable." The back cover blurb was no less pessimistic.

COOL FUTURE meme with power armor on. And there are a lot of them. They can't all be winners.

THE CRITERIA
Number of entries: 39

What's included: Every Warhammer 40,000 game on PC, including those in the Horus Heresy setting, which rewinds the clock 10,000 years to depict the downfall of the Imperium and how it got so messed up.

What's not included: Games that were cancelled before full release like the MOBA Dark Nexus Arena, which was briefly available in Early Access. Standalone expansions like Dawn of War: Dark Crusade and Inquisitor—Prophecy are considered part of the original game, like regular expansions. Games in the Old World and Age of Sigmar settings are in a separate ranking of every Warhammer Fantasy game.

And now: Every Warhammer 40,000 game, ranked from worst to best.

39. Carnage Champions (2016)
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Carnage was a sidescrolling autorunner, Canabalt with a thunder hammer and a heavy metal soundtrack. At some point the server was taken offline and now this game—this entirely singleplayer game, I should note—no longer runs whether you got the free-to-play mobile version or paid actual money for the now-delisted Steam version. This, obviously, sucks.

38. Kill Team (2014)
Nomad Games/Sega
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No relation to the tabletop game called Kill Team that lets you play 40K on a budget, this is a twin-stick shooter made with repackaged assets courtesy of Relic's Dawn of War 2 and Space Marine. The co-op is local only, which is a shame, and checkpoints before boss introductions are always annoying, but what really sinks it is the camera consistently swinging into the worst positions. You'll be staring at some pipes and a gantry while 15 orks shout the same recycled "Waaagh!" and murder you somewhere in the blackness taking up the rest of your screen.

37. Talisman: The Horus Heresy (2016)
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Games Workshop released the first version of Talisman: The Magical Quest Game in 1983. It was a race-to-the-centre board game, half of which you spent finding a talisman to let you access the middle of the board, and the other half not letting someone else steal it from you. Even if the other players didn't drag you down, the luck of the cards and dice would. It was fantasy Snakes & Ladders with PvP.

This videogame reskins it with The Horus Heresy, a prequel setting 10,000 years in 40K's past that's been the basis for a huge amount of novels, some of which are actually good. It's an even more desperate and serious version of Warhammer 40,000, completely at odds with a chaotic beer-and-pretzels game about chucking dice and laughing at your latest misfortune. In the original board game players got turned into toads on the regular. In Talisman: The Horus Heresy someone might find a card that gives them +1 to the Resource stat and consider it an exciting turn.

36. Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels (1996)
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This was the second attempt at adapting the board game Space Hulk, and the worst. It's a first-person shooter where you get to control a squad, except the first six missions of the campaign don't actually let you. Once you do take command, it's just pausing to drop commands on the map, which is both less innovative than its 1993 predecessor with its realtime/turn-based combo and less satisfying than having full control over them.

The big problem with Vengeance of the Blood Angels is that it came when 3D graphics and CD audio were new and experimental and rarely any good. Everything's stuttery and enemies awkwardly pop into rendered CG when they're close enough for a melee animation. The marines are chatty, but their dialogue is stitched together from samples. The way they bark "SAPHON / search this area for / AN ARCHIVED RECORD" and "I haven't found / AN ARCHIVED RECORD" at each other will make you long for their death, especially when BETH-OR! shouts his name with the same cadence every time he's selected. It's entirely charmless, and not worth setting up the virtual machine you'll need to get it running today.

35. Space Wolf (2017)
HeroCraft PC
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40K + XCOM is such an obvious idea the Steam Workshop is full of mods for XCOM 2 that combine the two. Games that attempt the same have been a mixed bag. Space Wolf looks the part, even zooming in on dramatic attacks just like XCOM does, but it doesn't play the part as well.

The levels are tiny, which makes weapon ranges weird—a boltgun is only able to shoot four squares—and when new enemies spawn they're immediately next to you. Plus, every character has a deck of cards and the only way to attack is to play one of the weapon cards you've randomly drawn. Your marine can shoot a plasma gun when he's got the card for it, and then just forget it exists until you draw another plasma gun card. Depending on the luck of the draw, in the meantime he might suddenly have three different heavy weapons, somehow pulling them out of nowhere like they're in a bag of holding.

34. Storm of Vengeance (2014)
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Storm of Vengeance is a lane defense game, sort of like Plants vs. Zombies only instead of spending sunshine to grow plants you're spending redemption points to make Dark Angels pop out of their drop pods. Actually, what it's more like is Ninja Cats vs Samurai Dogs, an earlier game from Eutechnyx. Storm of Vengeance is the same game, only with a progression tree so you can unlock frag grenades, a multiplayer mode, and 3D models of orks and space marines where the ninja cats and samurai dogs used to be.

33. Dawn of War 3 (2017)
Relic/Sega
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If you like the kind of RTS where you manufacture a huge amount of troops then drag them together in a glorious blob, the first Dawn of War is for you. If you prefer a handful of units and heroes with their own special abilities to carefully manage, that is Dawn of War 2's whole deal. Dawn of War 3 tries to split the difference, and it's an awkward compromise. Elites all have different things they can do and some of your units have an ability or two, but there are long stretches where it feels like you should be using them yet there's nothing for you to do.

In the story campaign you alternate between marines, orks, and eldar one mission at a time, never playing any one group for long enough to get comfortable with them—almost every level feeling like a reintroduction of abilities and tech it expects you to have forgotten, as if the tutorial never ends. While the first two games are divisive and there are plenty of passionate defenders of each, Dawn of War 3 didn't end up appealing to anyone.

32. Fire Warrior (2003)
Kuju/Chilled Mouse
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There are surprisingly few 40K first-person shooters, and not many games where you get to be the T'au, the mech-loving weebs of the setting. Fire Warrior isn't about mechs, however. It's a corridor shooter ported over from the PlayStation 2, a fine console that didn't have a single decent FPS to its name. (Red Faction fans, you're kidding yourselves.)

You'll have to turn auto-aim on to fix the busted mouse controls in Fire Warrior, but nothing will fix the boring guns or unreactive enemies. Two things elevate it, however. One is that the first time you have to fight a space marine he seems borderline unstoppable in a way that feels right, and the second is that Tom Baker recorded some glorious narration for the intro.

31. Eisenhorn: Xenos (2016)
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The Eisenhorn novels are some of the better 40K books, hard-boiled Raymond Chandler detective stories about an inquisitor who finds himself making trade-offs with his principles while he hunts heretics and slowly comes to grips with the Inquisition's corruption. This adaptation of the first book did one thing right by casting Mark Strong as Eisenhorn. He's perfect, but the voice direction is weak and every cutscene is full of characters at wildly different levels of intensity.

Between the story bits is a mish-mash of third-person combat, collectible hunts, hacking minigames, that thing where you spin clues around to examine them—a bundle of features lifted from other games and artlessly glued together to fill the gaps. It feels like the kind of budget movie tie-in game that used to be commonplace, only this time it's a book tie-in.

30. The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth (2020)
Steel Wool Studios
Steam








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There are plenty of turn-based 40K games about squads of space marines jogging from hex to hex, but what makes Betrayal at Calth different is its viewpoint. You command from the perspective of a servo-skull, a camera that swoops around the battlefield and lets you appreciate the architecture of the Horus Heresy-era up close. You can even play in VR.

It's a cool idea. Unfortunately, you can feel where the money ran out. A limited number of unit barks repeat (often from a different direction to the acting unit), some weapons have animations while others don't, and the mission objectives occasionally leave out details you need to know. It started in Early Access and clearly didn't make enough money to keep it there until it was done. It's out now with a version number on it, but it doesn't feel finished.

29. Inquisitor—Martyr (2018)
NeocoreGames
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Inquisitor—Martyr is pulling in three directions at once. It's a game about being an Inquisitor, investigating the mysteries of the Caligari Sector, chief among them a ghost ship called the Martyr. It's also an action-RPG, which means if it goes for more than five minutes without a fight something's wrong, and among the most important qualities your heretic-hunting space detective genius possesses are their bonus to crit damage and the quality of their loot. Finally, it's a live-service game with shifting seasonal content, global events, limited-duration vendors, daily quests, heroic deeds, no offline mode, and the expectation you'll replay samey missions for hundreds of hours every time there's a content update.

The action-RPG part is OK, Diablo with guns, but it doesn't mesh with the rest. Why would an Inquisitor spend so much time crafting new gear? Why do I need to collect a different color of shards every time there's a new "Void Crusade"? Every game wants me to collect shards of something and I'm just so tired.

28. Adeptus Titanicus: Dominus (2018, Early Access)
Membraine Studios
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Scale is important to Warhammer 40,000. Billions die in wars and nobody blinks. Among the engines of those wars are titans, "god-machines" that start at 40-feet tall and end at 100-feet. Adeptus Titanicus: Dominus gives you command of a handful of those mechs to duel across in dark battlefields where the small-arms fire of ground-level soldiers is presented as an element of the scenery, unable to damage you. Meanwhile, the titan's weapons are building-demolishers, beams and missiles they fire continuously during their turns, carelessly slamming half of them into any cover they walk past.

At the moment Dominus has a multiplayer mode and some scenarios for singleplayer. It's been in Early Access for a couple of years and progress is slow but regular, and a singleplayer campaign is still to come. Right now the titans sometimes slide around instead of walking, and the camera might whip behind them to show only their back while they shoot, or come too close during close combat to show just a tangle of metal limbs clipping through each other. There's room for improvement is what I'm saying.

27. Chaos Gate (1998)
Random Games/SSI
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A squad tactics game reminiscent of Jagged Alliance or X-COM, but with less of a strategy layer. If the specific flavor of original X-COM is more to your liking than modern, hyphen-less XCOM then Chaos Gate may be your thing, but it does lack enemy variety. You're up against the forces of Chaos, which means Chaos Cultists, Traitor Marines, and half-a-dozen varieties of daemon. Meanwhile you're in charge of the Ultramarines, and while you can rename your troops and assign a limited number of heavy weapons per squad, after a while every battle feels the same. They drag on too, thanks to the Traitor Marines who litter most maps being able to survive multiple krak grenades and heavy bolter rounds.

26. Sanctus Reach (2017)
Straylight Entertainment/Slitherine
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The classic hex-and-counter wargame Panzer General has inspired a lot of 40K games, and Sanctus Reach, which pits Space Wolves against orks, is certainly one of them. It's not bad, but it is basic. The objectives are often just capturing or defending victory points and only after three levels of those will you get something different like an escort mission or something, the story's a paragraph of text between maps, there's no strategy layer, and everything on the presentation side, from unit types to animation to level furniture, feels like the absolute minimum, where 40K should be all about maximalism. Other games do this identical thing better.

25. Gladius—Relics of War (2018)
Proxy Studios/Slitherine
Steam | GOG








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Take Civilization 5 (or maybe Warlock: The Exiled, or Age of Wonders), then remove the diplomacy so it's all about war. Add some inspiration from RTS base-building, with separate barracks for infantry and vehicles around your city, then add heroes who level up and gain some quite Warcraft 3 abilities on top of that. Gladius is an intriguing strategy game Frankenstein, but it's got issues.

On enemy turns it'll show a random battle happening to an ally rather than your own troops being slaughtered. There's a storyline scattered about in quests, but to get anywhere with them you have to play an artificially long game or you'll defeat all the enemies and win by conquest before uncovering any of the tantalizing secrets it hints at. Finally, even with wildlife turned down to Very Low, the early turns of every game are spent fighting alien dogs and bugs and floating mind-control jellyfish for way too long before actually going to war with the other factions.

24. Space Hulk: Deathwing (2016)
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A multiplayer co-op FPS, Deathwing is Left 4 Dead with genestealers. Although it launched in a terribly buggy and unoptimized state, an enhanced edition rerelease fixed some of its worst problems. Now it's a competent claustrophobic multiplayer game where you can dress up your terminators real fancy. As a singleplayer experience it's let down by daft AI, and even with friends you'll have to overlook whiffy melee weapons and shooting that feels more like you're turning on a hose than opening up with a mark-two storm bolter.

23. Space Crusade (1992)
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Milton Bradley's follow-up to HeroQuest was a version of Warhammer 40,000 for ages 10 to adult, and Gremlin Interactive were once again responsible for the videogame. Like the adaptation of HeroQuest, it's a pretty direct replication—although for some reason the genestealers have been replaced by different aliens called "soulsuckers."

It's quite slow-paced and you have to choose between music or cheerfully rinky-dink sound effects because it can't do both at once, and of course it's lacking the board game's slick miniatures and card art. Nostalgia's a powerful thing though, and I adore these goofy pixel space marines.

22. Space Hulk (2013)
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This was our first look into the grim darkness of a near future where there are only PC ports of 40K games made for tablets. Space Hulk comes with all the limitations you'd expect from a game designed to run on an iPad Mini. This fine if unambitious version of the board game plays the same limited animations over and over, whether it's sprays of blood that appear sort of around genestealers as they're shot, or three red lines appearing in mid-air to mark a terminator falling to their claws. The way genestealers suddenly transform into a pair of bleeding leg-stumps when hit by an assault cannon is unintentionally hilarious.

Thanks to some patched-in improvements, like the ability to speed up terminators so your turns don't take forever, this take on Space Hulk ended up OK if all you want is a version of the board game with a singleplayer mode where you're the space marines.

21. Space Hulk Ascension (2014)
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After the negative response to the PC version of their previous Space Hulk game, Full Control retooled it into Ascension, giving it a welcome visual upgrade and customizable marines. More divisively it plays less like a board game, with reduced randomness, an upgrade system based on experience points, and tweaks to the way weapons work. Storm bolters gain heat when fired and jam when it maxes out, and instead of just filling an entire room or corridor with fire, the flamethrower has multiple modes of spray. And to make it look less like a board game there's fog of war, rendering the map dark beyond a tiny zone of vision. Some of the changes are fussy and don't add much, but it's a slight improvement overall.

20. The Horus Heresy: Legions (2019)


Everguild Ltd.
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It's the Horus Heresy era again, only this time in the form of a free-to-play collectible card game. Though it plays a lot like them it's not as flashy as the big names in the genre, with the quality of the card art being all over the place. But if you've got the time or money it's a solid enough example of the form, and if you've read the books and the phrase "the Fall of Isstvan III" makes you feel like a 19th century French campaigner hearing the word "Waterloo," then there's a stirring singleplayer campaign that will let you experience that in card game form.

19. Freeblade (2017)
Pixel Toys
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I went into this with low expectations. A free-to-play adaptation of a mobile game, complete with loot boxes and multiple currencies and all that jazz? But Freeblade scores points for letting you play an Imperial Knight, a mech that's bigger than a house, and letting you color and customize your walker like you're choosing paints and decals for a miniature. It's a simple rail shooter, basically a version of Time Crisis where you're the size of Godzilla, and better than I thought it would be.

18. Aeronautica Imperialis: Flight Command (2020)
Binary Planets/Green Man Gaming Publishing
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When your ace pilots in Aeronautica Imperialis: Flight Command kick the bucket, shot down by ork fighters in rustbucket planes made out of scrap in a cave, a commander slides onto the between-mission screen. "Your pilot numbers are depleted," she says, "You may call on reserves." There's no judgment in this because every randomly generated pilot is entirely disposable.

Flight Command is an aerial-combat simulator where you program your planes with maneuvers and then watch 10 seconds of dogfighting play out in real-time. It's somewhere between Sid Meier's Ace Combat and the simultaneous turns of Frozen Synapse. Those 10 seconds contain a bewildering amount of stuff, as one plane powerdives to avoid an attack from behind, another explodes, and one of your pilots pulls off a high-G turn then blacks out. Switching to theater mode, which lets you see all this at once rather than following each pilot in turn, makes it easier, though I could do with a simple way to scrub the timeline back and forth.

Planes can switch loadouts if you remove the default missiles, and pilots might gain skills if they shoot down enough enemies, but one fighter is much like another. Even top guns are replaceable in 40K.

17. Legacy of Dorn: Herald of Oblivion (2015)
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Games Workshop published several pick-a-path gamebooks under the Path to Victory label, and this one was turned into a visual novel. If you ever read the kind of Fighting Fantasy/Lone Wolf/choose-your-own-adventure books that declared, "YOU can be the hero," that's what this is, only YOU are a lone space marine cut off from his squad on a space hulk, striving to find your battle-brothers.

Legacy of Dorn really gets across the oddness of a ship made out of the fused remains of multiple wrecks, and as you explore each section feels distinct, whether fungal and orkoid or sanctified by the Sisters of Battle. The turn-based combat is nothing to write home about, but the difficulty options include the ability to skip the boring fights and cheat as if you're leaving your fingers in the pages, as is only right.

16. Regicide (2015)
Hammerfall
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Take chess, but make it 40K. That's Regicide, which you can play in classic mode using the boring rules of real chess, or in Regicide mode, which adds an initiative phase after every turn where pawns shoot boltguns and queens launch psychic lightning. While taking a piece the usual way is an instakill, complete with gorey duels reminiscent of Battle Chess, attacks in the initiative phase chip away at the hit points of your target. At first it feels like regular chess, but focus fire and combine the right abilities and you'll soon remove a bishop from across the board. It feels like cheating in the best way, like you have outsmarted the centuries-old game of chess itself.

There's a story mode, but some of its puzzle matches can grind to annoying stalemate halts. Stick to skirmish play and Regicide does a better job with its ridiculous concept than you might think.

15. Eternal Crusade (2017)
Behaviour Interactive Inc.
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Initially billed as a Planetside-esque MMO with a persistent world for players to fight over, Eternal Crusade was scaled down in development. What eventually released was a lobby shooter that took the multiplayer combat from Relic's Space Marine and added vehicles, eldar and orks, as well as a co-operative PvE mode where four players take on tyranids.

Players who'd bought in early were disappointed at the reduction, but here's the thing: Relic's Space Marine was great, and so was its multiplayer. Building on that with missions where you might be defending a fortress while other players tried to smash through its gate in Predator tanks, or hovering over victory points as an eldar swooping hawk, made for some thrilling battles. Hardly anybody gave it a chance though, and even after being released for free it's still almost empty. If you can get together some people or luck into a match, Eternal Crusade is better than its reputation.

14. Necromunda: Underhive Wars (2020)
Rogue Factor/Focus Home Interactive
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Turn-based gang warfare with laspistols and chainswords is a great idea for a 40K game. A third-person perspective that lets you look up at the multileveled industrial ruins you're fighting over, ziplining and grapple-hooking across them? Also a great idea. The mission where it takes all that away to leave two gangs biffing away at each other in a pit, armed with pipes and axes, feels like a wild misunderstanding of its own strengths.

To skip that, ignore the message telling you to finish the story campaign before you make up your own gang and play Operations mode. The first three or four story missions are a fine tutorial, but drop out of it before you hit mission five and make up your own collection of scoundrels with its figure-painty customization system. Then take them out into the sandbox of the Underhive and enjoy more freeform encounters that play to Necromunda's strengths, and an upgrade system that balances enhancements on one hand with vices and injuries on the other to drag your unhealthy gangers back down just as they learn to excel.

Fair warning, I've had some crashes and characters falling through the floor, seen one missing face right out of Assassin's Creed Unity, and watched opponents jog in place for half their turn. Wait for another patch before you try it.

13. Deathwatch—Enhanced Edition (2015)
Rodeo Games
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The Deathwatch are elite alien-busting marines who draw their recruits from other chapters, and this turn-based tactics game gives you command of a squad of them. You can have a Space Wolf and a Blood Angel and an Ultramarine, all hunting tyranids side by side.

Deathwatch is another game originally made for tablet, which you can tell by the way you get new wargear and marines out of random packs with lootbox sparkle, though they're earned through play rather than microtransactions. This Enhanced Edition for PC remastered the original's graphics and gave it a mouse-and-keyboard UI, though it could do with tooltips for the many buff icons each marine ends up with. If you want a budget version of a Firaxis-style XCOM but with space marines, it's a decent option.

12. The Horus Heresy: Battle of Tallarn (2017)
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HexWar Games has its own take on the Panzer General series called Tank Battle, with multiple iterations like Tank Battle: 1944 and Tank Battle: 1945. Battle of Tallarn reskins the WWII game to be about the largest tank confrontation of the Horus Heresy era. It's essentially Tank Battle: 30,000.

It's a particularly rock-paper-scissors wargame, with tanks, infantry, fliers, walkers and titans as counters to each other in specific situations, and terrain that's either damaging, hard-stopping, crossable only by fiers, or cover but only for infantry. Like all the Horus Heresy games and books it demands a dedication to the fictional history of Warhammer 40,000 as passionate as any WWII nut to get the most out of it, but if that's you then you probably already know Battle of Tallarn and are humming the theme tune right now.

11. Armageddon (2014)
Flashback Games/The Lordz Games Studio/Slitherine
Steam | GOG








(Image credit: Slitherine)
Another take on the Panzer General turn-based hexgrid wargame, Armageddon is set on a hive world so polluted it's all fire wastes, lava canyons, and acid rivers, which the armies of the Imperium have to defend from hordes of orks. Each scenario is a puzzle where you'll have to decide whether to split your battlegroups or unite them in a single wedge, lock down the bridges or move into the bombed-out buildings, scout ahead with walkers or fliers, and so on.

There's DLC for various other conflicts that have played out on the well-named planet Armageddon, but skip the expandalone called Da Orks, which lets you experience the other side of the conflict. Instead of handing you control of a horde it makes you play a balanced force that feels like a green reskin of the humies.

10. Battlefleet Gothic: Armada (2016)
Tindalos Interactive/Focus Home Interactive
Steam | GOG | Microsoft Store








(Image credit: Focus Home Interactive)
The Imperial spacecraft of Warhammer 40,000 are one of its most distinctive elements. Each one looks like someone painted Westminster Abbey black, chucked a prow on the end, and hooked it off into deep space. Battlefleet Gothic: Armada is an RTS where these stately, miles-long ships swing about on a 2D plane that emulates both a tabletop and the ocean. They do battle like it's the age of sail, complete with broadsides and boarding actions, though troops insert via torpedo rather than swinging over on a rope with knives between their teeth.

The other thing about Battlefleet Gothic: Armada that feels like the age of sail is the time scale. Even with the speed set to its fastest, getting into position at the start of an engagement takes a fair old while. And then by the time the fleets make contact, there's so much micromanagement it can feel overwhelming even slowed down. It's deliberately paced this way, tempting you into mistakes and collisions that will cost you a capital ship with the population of a city inside it.

9. Rites of War (1999)
DreamForge/SSI
GOG








(Image credit: SSI)
There are other Panzer General-alikes with 40K trappings, but this one was straight-up made in the Panzer General 2 engine. It's got the tactical depth you want thanks to a collection of pixel units who all work slightly differently, with every turn a stream-of consciousness where you're thinking things like, "If I attack this guy the heavy weapons will be able to support, but the jetbikes are in cover so they can make a pop-up attack, but then there's a unit who can attack and fall back in the same turn..."

The campaign lets you play as the eldar, colorful but stone-faced murder elves with psychic powers and a weapon that unspools a long monofilament wire inside someone's body to reduce their organs to soup. They can summon an incarnation of their war god made of superheated iron, and they charge into battle wearing harlequin pants. It's a crime more 40K games aren't about them instead of the same four chapters of space marines every time.

8. Space Hulk (1993)
Electronic Arts








(Image credit: EA)
The first of the many attempts to turn the Space Hulk board game into a videogame remains one of the best for two reasons. An innovative freeze-time mechanic lets you transition into turn-based mode where you can move your five space marine terminators around like you were playing on a tabletop—but gives you a timer. When it runs out, you have to play in real-time, bouncing between them in first-person and the map to keep your squad alive while genestealers boil out of the walls. Manage that for long enough and you earn more freeze-time, and the relief of switching back is intense.

The other thing it gets right is the atmosphere. Spinning wall fans chunk away, unknowable alien sounds echo down the corridors, and somewhere in the distance there's a scream. When marines die their screen goes to static, fuzzing out one by one. Plenty of videogames have been inspired by Aliens, but few of them do the panicky "game over, man, game over" moment as well as this. It's brutally difficult, but that's because it's not really a strategy game—it's horror.

(You'll need DOSBox to play Space Hulk today and it doesn't like version 0.74 for some reason, so download DOSBox-0.73 instead.)

7. Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 2 (2019)
Tindalos Interactive/Focus Home Interactive
Steam | GOG | Microsoft Store








(Image credit: Focus Home Interactive)
In the 40K universe faster-than-light travel is made possible by briefly hopping over to a universe next door called Warpspace, where distances are contracted. The downside to Warpspace is that it's inhabited by the Ruinous Powers of Chaos, gods who represent and are fueled by the dark urges of mortals, as well as their daemonic servants. Chaos wants to spill out of the Warp into realspace, and when they do you get places like the Eye of Terror, a hellish overlap at the edge of the galaxy. Near its edge is the Imperial world Cadia, a bastion that stood firm against multiple excursions led by the forces of Chaos—until the 13th Black Crusade, when Abaddon the Despoiler crashed a gigantic alien starfortress into it.

This happens several minutes into Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 2 while you're playing the prologue campaign. It's a hell of a spectacle. This sequel improves various small things about the spacefleet RTS game, adds campaigns from the perspective of the insectile tyranids and Egyptian robot necrons, and leaves its core of 2D sailing ship combat intact. The one big thing it changes is that sense of spectacle, understanding what we want to see is entire worlds falling and a galaxy in flames.

6. Dawn of War 2 (2009)
Relic Entertainment/THQ/Sega
Steam








(Image credit: Sega)
Where the first Dawn of War is about masses of tanks and a screen full of lasers, Dawn of War 2 gives you just four badasses, maybe eight replaceable squadmates, and a bunch of special abilities. It's not about researching at your base until you've put together an unstoppable force—most missions begin with you falling out of the sky, sometimes squashing a few enemies, and it's immediately on. A typical battle involves parking the heavy weapons and sniper in cover, charging in with your commander, then telling the assault squad to jump-pack over the top and setting off abilities as they come off cool-down.

The boss fights can be chores, but maps where you're on the defensive, outnumbered by hordes of tyranids or whatever, are excellent—both in singleplayer and the Last Stand, a three-player mode with waves of enemies and unlockable wargear. In a fair and just universe the Last Stand was more popular than Defense of the Ancients and inspired a whole genre and MOBAs don't suck.

THE TOP 5
5. Final Liberation: Epic 40,000 (1997)
Holistic Design/SSI
GOG








(Image credit: SSI)
"Epic" is right. Final Liberation is a strategy game that gets the scale of conflict in the 41st millennium spot on, with a mixed force of Imperial Guard and Ultramarines having to not only pool their forces, but then unearth an entire lost legion of titans to repel an ork invasion on a planetary scale. The orks are faster and brutishly hard to put down in hand-to-hand, but you have artillery on your side and, as the Tyrant of Badab said, "Big guns never tire." Every turn is a cautious advance, trying to keep the speed freeks away from your bombards and flatten buildings with thudd guns just in case orks are about to pop out of them, while staying the hell away from the gut buster mega-cannon that obscenely juts out of the gargant's undercarriage.

The peak of the 40K games to come out of the 1990s, Final Liberation has two extremely 1990s things about it. The first is its heavy metal soundtrack, and the second its FMV cutscenes. Both are cheesy in exactly the right way, clearly being taken seriously by people unconcerned with the ridiculousness of what they're doing.

4. Space Hulk Tactics (2018)
Cyanide Studio | Focus Home Interactive
Steam








(Image credit: Focus Home Interactive)
Criminally underrated because it came out after a string of middling games with the words Space Hulk in the name, Tactics is the best of them. It's an adaptation of the board game that understands what makes it fun—the asymmetry of five clunky walking tanks pitted against limitless numbers of speedy melee monsters—and also understands that it's even more fun if you can play either. Tactics has an entire genestealer campaign, and finally getting to be the aliens is a blast. It doesn't skimp on the marine side either, and the AI plays genestealers like a tabletop player would, lurking around corners until enough gribblies have gathered to charge an overwatching marine en masse, knowing his bolter's going to jam eventually.

Where Space Hulk Tactics makes additions to the board game's rules, like cards that give single-use bonuses, and a maze-like map of the hulk to explore, they're well-balanced and complement the base. In fact, they feel like they could be from one of Games Workshop's own expansions to the original. While you can control from first-person for that 1993 Space Hulk experience, played in isometric view this is finally the XCOM-but-with-space-marines everyone wanted.

3. Space Marine (2011)
Relic/THQ/Sega
Steam








(Image credit: Sega)
During the dark heyday of the third-person cover shooter, Space Marine was a revelation. Why would an armored superhuman need to crouch behind a waist-high wall? Space Marine isn't having a bar of that. You regain health by killing bad guys up close, charging forward with your chainsword or slamming down out of the sky thanks to the best jetpack ever. Each fight reminds you this is what you're genetically engineered to do, and early on there's a quiet moment where you enter an Imperial Guard base and wounded soldiers several feet shorter than you look up in awe. It nails the fantasy of being a space marine.

Specifically, of being Captain Titus of the Ultramarines (voiced by Mark Strong, a man born 39 millennia too early). The Ultramarines are the chapter of choice for 40K videogames because they stick to the book. They aren't like the Space Wolves with their fangs and Viking schtick, or the Blood Angels and their periodic descent into the Black Rage. You don't have to explain anything extra to an audience who don't know the setting with the Ultramarines. Because they're boring.

Space Marine lets them be boring so Titus has something to rebel against. His brothers follow tactics from ancient tomes. Titus jumps out of a spaceship to fight orks across the deck of a flying pirate ship—and that's the tutorial.

2. Mechanicus (2018)
Bulwark Studios/Kasedo Games
Steam | GOG








(Image credit: Kasedo Games)
What Space Marine did for the third-person shooter, Mechanicus does for turn-based squad tactics. Your band of Adeptus Mechanicus tech-priests don't need cover. They've got disposable cannon fodder instead, servitors and skitarii soldiers to soak up the necron lasers. Those predictable enemies will only attack the closest target, and that closest target should be a replaceable cyberzombie rather than one of your leveled-up tech-priests.

The psychologically abnormal scientists of the AdMech see everything as a learning opportunity, and while their subordinates are dying they're off examining the architecture and sending servo-skulls to inspect alien glyphs, all of which gives you cognition points. These can be spent on extra movement or activating special abilities, and when you defeat a necron you get more of them, with a bonus for reaching the corpse within a turn to stand over them creepily watching the light in their artificial eyes go out. For science.

Spend those points right and you snowball, ending each turn in the right spot to earn more. Your robed worshippers of the Machine God zip around the necron tomb they're investigating with a force axe in one hand and a data tablet in the other, six more Doctor Octopus cyberlimbs whipping around just for fun. The AdMech normally show up as support in other games, but here they're the stars and everything from the way the mechanics accentuate their oddity, to the droning music, to the mechanical garble that serves as their voices fits perfectly.

1. Dawn of War (2004)
Relic Entertainment/THQ
Steam








(Image credit: Sega)
Because Dawn of War 2 ditched the base-building, its predecessor has become a standard bearer for fans of build orders who miss that particular flavor of RTS. The thing is, what made Dawn of War's base-building great was how downplayed it was compared to the RTS games that came before it. It's not about carefully managing walls and cranking out more gatherers than the other players so your economy can triumph. There's no gold, no spice, no vespene bloody gas. The main way to gather resources in Dawn of War is to kill for them.

Nodes are spread across the map and you might grab a couple peacefully in those early moments where everyone is scouting and constructing their first power plant, but sooner than you think it's going to kick off. Dawn of War is the RTS accelerated. Instead of marching individual soldiers out of the barracks one at a time and click-dragging them into control groups they come in ready-made squads, and if you want a squad to be bigger you can teleport more troops in while in the field. Same for reinforcements. Instead of constantly flicking back to the barracks to replace losses, you just teleport them in. This squad needs a missile launcher because they saw an armored vehicle over the next hill? Teleporter goes brrr.

Dawn of War is fast enough that you'll soon hit the unit cap and be leading a massive force that includes vehicles and robotic dreadnoughts who pick up individual enemies to fling around. Zoomed-out it's a glorious mess of lasers and explosions, and zoomed-in you'll see sync kills where someone gets pinned to the ground with a spear or has their head lopped off by a daemon. There is Only War and honestly it rules.

The base game's story builds to something unexpected, while the Winter Assault expansion is very much for fans of the Imperial Guard, but where it's really at is the Dark Crusade expansion's campaign mode, which has eight factions fighting over persistent maps where you return to one of your territories under siege and find all the defenses you built last time waiting. If that's not enough, the Soulstorm expansion has received the most love from modders and its Ultimate Apocalypse mod takes away the unit cap and ups the scale even more. It's 40K in its final form, eating worlds and firing missiles from a tank shaped like a church organ.

I disagree with the ranking a lot, but it's still an interesting and detailed overview of the existing 40K games.
 
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ValeVelKal

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Nice list. A feel a bit bad for Chaos Gate position in that ranking, but I have to admit his critics are legit'

I never liked Dawn of War. It is certainly a well-done game, I can't deny this, but it just never clicked with me. I am not into that kind of RTS really.
 

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