Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Vault Dweller]

That's some high horse you've got there, BN.

I don't think it's a fair to dump all the blame on the Codex. You have to admit that some threads and posters were too fucking retarded for the Codex to ignore. So, how about creating a proper atmosphere for constructive discussion and keeping the local retards in check first?

The "gay" thread should have been locked and the OP & Co told to take their gay shit to Bio forums (or explained that role-playing and dudes pretending to be girls are two different things).

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

"My Landscape Idea" - 2006
http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18635

I deem that a new Fallout would look best when set on an island maze in the Caribbean or Pacific. Yes i know this may not seem conformist as it is not prone and would not be related directly the nuclear action prior to events of the first Fallout. But the possibilities of design and player enjoyment would be large; wouldn't you like to cross the sea in a boat instead of spent time walking past generic wasteland? Obviously a large quantity of Fallout would have to be set on land mass; however the travelling aspect could be partly or mostly based on water to enable more enjoyment. You could even conceive of buying a boat like the secondary Fallout car presented inThe Den.

will do mr costner

Oh shit! I remember that thread.

 

[Brother None]

Who's to say that the WL2 devs wouldn't have taken that as a confirmation that what the Bio/Beth fans were asking for was unanymously supported and, thus, decided to implement it?

If you believe this, I don't even understand why you pledged. The whole reason this project exists is to have an alternative to Bio/Beth nonsense, for InXile and for its fans.

I don't think it's a fair to dump all the blame on the Codex. You have to admit that some threads and posters were too fucking retarded for the Codex to ignore. So, how about creating a proper atmosphere for constructive discussion and keeping the local retards in check first?

Like I noted above, we've been remiss. I've been out of town myself for a few days.

But there are no "local" retards. The forums are new. Several communities are streaming in, and they are clashing. I am not really "blaming" any of them as a whole, though there's plenty of individuals I am blaming (if you just got a warning, you're one of them). But I am definitely saying this thread was a bad idea, and is not going to do anything good for the WL2 community.

Anyway, I'm back now. Just use the report button for obviously stupid/trolling threads or posts. I'm locking/deleting several of them, and just banned out that anti-Codex troll, BlackShepard. More to follow. And yet, the fact that he was allowed to walk around that long shows how SERIOUSLY remiss we've been. I've advised Joby to get more mods on board.

I'm not really interested in "sides" of the debate though, just whether or not people can behave.

The "gay" thread should have been locked and the OP & Co told to take their gay shit to Bio forums (or explained that role-playing and dudes pretending to be girls are two different things).

Would've locked it had I been around.

 

[Absinthe]

Sup guys,

I notice we have a great thread about Wasteland 2 where we can circlejerk about Wasteland 2, buying a codex shrine, and laugh at the noobs asking for lame crap like sexing everything that moves. It's clear the fine gentlemen of this prestigious establishment have some great expectations for Wasteland 2, I just wish I knew what the fuck those were - aside from "turn-based", "stats", and "Choices & Consequences." So lets get talking. If that's too hard, we can also just make a list of the crap that we don't want to see. I never played Wasteland and Fallout is still on my list of "games I'll get around to", so I've got nothing.

 

[Achilles]

A good question. I expect a reasonably large and interesting world, a good dialogue system and decent combat. My expectations aren't really that high, I'll settle for a decent old-school RPG. Even if it's mediocre, I'm sure I'll enjoy it much more than most modern "RPGs".

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

So, "The Codex" - a well known entity - is to blame for something terrible again or what?

 

[Roguey]

I'm locking/deleting several of them, and just banned out that anti-Codex troll, BlackShepard. More to follow. And yet, the fact that he was allowed to walk around that long shows how SERIOUSLY remiss we've been. I've advised Joby to get more mods on board.

Good luck keeping Andhaira out. The Codex had to get a new poster filter to get rid of him and he still slips through the cracks at times.

 

[ChristofferC]

I try not to expect much. Decent writing and some interesting places to explore I guess.

 

[madbringer]

Needs more GStaff up in this mother.

 

[Morkar Left]

Thanks Zed for restoring the thread. There was some insight to get from it

I think the thread can't be blamed for trolling. It was made with good intention and not a bad idea. Some posters just went overboard because of the rage inducing suggestions. Better make one well founded statement without insults and leave it by that.

 

[Oriental European]

http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7736#p7736

Oh, god... No swearing is not okay. The world has gone straight to shit and you want people to talk propely when they are constantly in danger and not well?

"The world has gone straight to shit! FUCKING SHIT PISS WHORE COCK BITCH BLIAD' POOPY!"
"I'm constantly in danger, so i'll scream profanities to make it easier for enemies to find me!"

 

[Infinitron]

A good strategy in game development is to identify 3 or 4 core game "pillars". Every single thing added to the game must be in service to those pillars. What you we should do here is to try and identify what those 3 to 4 pillars are, then spread the word over at the other forums.

Pillar 1??
Pillar 2??
Pillar 3??
Pillar 4??


What do you guys think?

I can start with one:
Pillar 1: Exploration of the world is both exciting and thematically inline with the tone of Wasteland 1.

(I am not a game designer, so you can probably think of better pillars than this)

Four pillars? BIOWARE ALERT

 

[Crooked Bee]

There are at least a few Codexers on the W2 forums that I recognise who are among the most detailed and insightful posters there (oldmanpaco, Alex, etc.), so I don't think it's fair to lump the blame on "The Codex" as a single entity or this thread as *the* source of trolling, which is just ridiculous. The two most blatant trolls I've seen over there were 1. Andhaira (who isn't even a Codexer, he's banned here) and 2. some falloutgod guy or something who probably isn't even related to the Codex at all.

Who's to say that the WL2 devs wouldn't have taken that as a confirmation that what the Bio/Beth fans were asking for was unanymously supported and, thus, decided to implement it?

If you believe this, I don't even understand why you pledged. The whole reason this project exists is to have an alternative to Bio/Beth nonsense, for InXile and for its fans.

The problem is, Fargo specifically stated multiple times that they're making the game around what the fans want and that the forum is the place they're keeping an eye on to make sure they are in touch with the fans. I understand that the core principles won't be compromised (hopefully), but apart from that, there are many things that *can* go wrong if fan input is wrong -- things that, even when they don't ruin the game completely, can lead to a loss of focus at least. That's why some feel it's important not to allow the W2 forum to be swamped with those who want "not too many stats", can't tell TB from RTwP or want romances or a "Casual" mode to be added to the game.

This may be just a marketing move on Fargo's part, of course, which is what I'm hoping for. Still, it *does* explain why some of us are anxious. (Not me, though. In Fargo I trust.)

 

[Vault Dweller]

Pretty much. It's not like we didn't have Fallout 2, which was loaded with retarded shit. The concerns are justified.

 

[hiver]

I dont know... i dont have much concerns about that, probably because ive gotten use to how that issue is handled by IT.
And again Fargo and majority of devs at inXile have plenty of experience with this type of thing too.

I got to say that easter eggs in Fallout 2 never seemed too much for me, but thats partly because i wasnt getting some minor ones or because i played that game first and then Fallout years latter, so i wasnt indoctrinated by the first more somber setting.
And seeing easter eggs as remnants or shards of the old world history after its apocalypse seemed logical. Even so i dont see any of them as retarded shit.
Thats just personal view of some.

Even - even so, quality over quantity should be established.

 

[Brother None]

so I don't think it's fair to lump the blame on "The Codex" as a single entity or this thread as *the* source of trolling, which is just ridiculous.

Nobody did. I just noted this thread was not, in my view, a good idea, and did exacerbate the problem caused by clashing communities. For some reason several of you turned that into me blaming the Codex. But believe me when I say I don't even think Codexers are the majority in the warnings I sent. Though perhaps they are if you include the anti-Codex trolls.

Oh, and thanks for Andharia. Uuuuggggh. We got Prosper sign too. I blame NMA for both. Flag em when you see em. Prosper's not banned yet, tho. He's not done anything wrong.

That's why some feel it's important not to allow the W2 forum to be swamped with those who want "not too many stats"

But they're not! That's what makes this so weird. You are all reacting to something that's not happening. Every single thread with a patently absurd suggestion like "what about marriage" or "anime style art!" has been succinctly but mostly politely talked down, even if InXile was ever going to listen to them. And InXile needs THAT as well, they need to see when ideas are badly received. All you're going to achieve by trolling/insulting people is for your opinion not to be heard, though. As Twinkie said, that may be a by-product of the thread, it may be its intent, doesn't really matter, I'm just telling you, this wasn't helpful to us doing our job, and singling out people to target as "retards" is definitely wasn't.

Of course, the core point is the mods there haven't been doing our jobs. But we will from now on. And hopefully that'll help quiet down your concerns/need to insult too. It's a two-way road, in many ways.

The best anyone can do is just be active on the forums and vote/talk down bad suggestions. And use the report button. It's important to remember it's not the Codex tho, and just going "newfag", "BioWhore" or "retard" will just get your post removed.

PS: if this game is as good as Fallout 2, all its flaws included, I'll be dancing a jig.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

I don't have expectations. Only wishes.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Ehehe. St. Patty's day. Sorry for the rage-induced thread delete. Sober now and glad to see it back. Also: Fuck off, Beekers.

 

[hiver]

I got warned but well, it was really deserved. Multiple times in fact
but even i snapped after holding out at first and trying to avoid it. (yeah, yeah, im "snapping" here a lot)

Sweet pains of a birth, eh? Its already much better over there.
And reporting or flagging posts actually works now.

 

[hiver]

Ehehe. St. Patty's day. Sorry for the rage-induced thread delete. Sober now and glad to see it back. Also: Fuck off, Beekers.

“Rage.

Sing, O Muse, of the rage of Achilles, of Peleus’ son, murderous, man-killer, fated to die, sing of the rage that cost the Achaeans so many good men and sent so many vital, hearty souls down to the dreary House of Death. And while you’re at it, Muse, sing of the rage of the gods themselves, so petulant and so powerful here on their new Olympos, and of the rage of the post-humans, dead and gone though they might be, and of the rage of those few true humans left, self-absorbed and useless though they have become. While you are singing, O Muse, sing also of the rage of those thoughtful, sentient, serious but not-so-close-to-human beings out there dreaming under the ice of Europa, dying in the sulfur ash of Io, and being born in the cold folds of Ganymede.

Oh, and sing of me, O Muse, poor born-against-his-will Hockenberry, dead Thomas Hockenberry, Ph.D., Hockenbush to his friends, to friends long since turned to dust on a world long since left behind. Sing of my rage, yes, of my rage, O Muse, small and insignificant though that rage might be when measured against the anger of the immortal gods, or when compared to the wrath of the god-killer Achilles.

On second though, O Muse, sing nothing of me. I know you. I have been bound and servant to you, O Muse, you incomparable bitch. And I do not trust you, O Muse. Not one little bit.”
― Dan Simmons, Ilium

 

[MetalCraze]

What I expect is a massive drama of dual butthurt. On the inside the naive sheeple who actually donated money will be butthurt that the game they got is interesting only for a hour or two. On the outside they will be butthurt as they will be defending it as the best game ever from people who are realistic.

Wasteland 2 is going to be shit most likely. Known also as a superawesome game by Codex standards just because it has TB.

Do you really expect a good game from devs of Hunted: Demon's Forge? The devs who made a popamole shooter with bows?

 

[Zed]

What I expect is a massive drama of dual butthurt. On the inside the naive sheeple who actually donated money will be butthurt that the game they got is interesting only for a hour or two. On the outside they will be butthurt as they will be defending it as the best game ever from people who are realistic.

There will certainly be a few people disappointed no matter how the game turns out. But people have spent more than 15$ on a game they thought was shit and survived before.

I think Wasteland 2 has tons of potential, but it could easily fall on less tangible qualities like... well, ambiance, atmosphere and such.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Yeah. Read through the other thread. I actually slightly remember thinking in my rage "I shouldn't have the ability to delete this whole thread..." as I hit the button. So, yeah. That's something I'd change if you can.

 

[mondblut]

To think of it, instead of spending $7k on securing moderatorial priveleges or censorship immunity, then freely trolling and abusing biowhores and bethtards on Wasteland forums into self-mutilation and occasional suicide, you stupid cunts blown it all on some retarded easter egg. Pathetic. You are no better than them.

 

[MetalCraze]

I can live without ambience and atmosphere. But all too many people on WL2 forums demand shit like romances and 2d sprites having characters (thus they must not die) - while not caring about what's truly important for RPG - character systems and combat since that's 80%+ of any RPG.

Do you see discussion about character systems?
Do you see a lot of discussion about marriages, gay characters and romances?

So ugh - maybe I'm actually wrong and it will end up exactly like what people want. Turn based Mass Effect.