What Gaider thinks of their player base's intelligence

[Mastermind]

http://forums.bioware.com/forums/viewto ... =135&sp=30

Like Mary said, some of them just didn't sing and dance for us. That and we don't like to name parts of the world after real places -- that's confusing to the people who know about them.

 

[DraQ]

http://forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=660418&forum=135&sp=30

[box]Like Mary said, some of them just didn't sing and dance for us. That and we don't like to name parts of the world after real places -- that's confusing to the people who know about them.[/box]

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[SAGO]

I GET IT. BIOWEAR THINKS ITS FANS ARE RETARDED.

WELL, THEY ARE. THEY HAD TO STREAMLINE THE STREAMLINING.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

In Fallout 3 there's an NPC called Stockholm in Megaton (he is outside in one of the crow's nests). As someone who lives in Sweden I was shocked and confused that he wasn't the capital city of my fair misguided country. This thread has inspired me to write an angry letter to Bethesda now to tell them that Bioware actually cares about the stupid retards that buy their games. (Or maybe not.)

From an intellectual viewpoint the thread is as interesting as a car accident. It's fascinating stuff that says a lot about David Gaider and his colleagues.

You start out with the plan for a plot that includes some old, cranky NPC woman named Getrude, but when you write her, she turns into a young airhead. Now, "Gertrude," really doesn't sound right at all...

Why not? Is it because you're a shallow wreck who believes that women named Gertrude are born old? Or that when women grow older they have to adapt and pick a less "young" name?

I wish I could post on that forum. I have needs.

 

[IronicNeurotic]

You start out with the plan for a plot that includes some old, cranky NPC woman named Getrude, but when you write her, she turns into a young airhead. Now, "Gertrude," really doesn't sound right at all...

Why not? Is it because you're a shallow wreck who believes that women named Gertrude are born old? Or that when women grow older they have to adapt and pick a less "young" name?

I wish I could post on that forum. I have needs.

Bioware. Just.... wow.



Lets not forget we live in a world where the majority of gamers think Bioware are the best writers in the industry.

 

[made]

I don't get it. Is that an ironic jab at Bio ripping all their location names from RL places, like Kirkwall and Orleons?

 

[Mastermind]

I don't get it. Is that an ironic jab at Bio ripping all their location names from RL places, like Kirkwall and Orleons?

Bioware player detected.

 

[made]

Bioware player detected.

Do I have to school you again? It won't be free this time, son.

 

[Mastermind]

Bioware player detected.

Do I have to school you again? It won't be free this time, son.

No but your mom is.

 

[made]

Only for BBC.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

I see your Gaider and rise you another:

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I'm confused by the anger. Bioware's not a charity, it does not make games for a specific group of people. It makes games. Some people buy them, some don't. That's how it works and it's how it's always worked.


There's nothing to be confused by.

People become fans and they start to feel ownership-- either way it's an emotional investment in where they game goes. We ask for that, so it's hardly like we can resent getting it.

Do some people take it too far, into entitlement? Sure. But I don't think it's too crazy to want to be the one that a game developer courts when they're putting together a game. Who wants to feel like an outsider, especially when you felt like an insider previously-- whether that's a valid conclusion to make or not?

It gets weird when someone takes that emotional investment to the extent that they express their disappointment as hurt... like they've been dumped by their girlfriend/boyfriend-- or like a developer has been cheating on them. That's weird. But I don't think it's confusing.

So it's official - if you are a bioware fan, Bioware is your boyfriend.

 

[20 Eyes]

we don't like to name parts of the world after real places -- that's confusing to the people who know about them.

Why is this insulting? He could have worded it more precisely, but he's right. If Bioware named a fantasy city 'Atlanta', some people would likely associate it with the actual city on some level.

If anything is insulting to his fan's intelligence, it would be his need to even explain that.

 

[Mastermind]

we don't like to name parts of the world after real places -- that's confusing to the people who know about them.

Why is this insulting? He could have worded it more precisely, but he's right. If Bioware named a fantasy city 'Atlanta', some people would likely associate it with the actual city on some level.

Which is only confusing if you're an utter irredeemable idiot.

 

[Vault Dweller]

we don't like to name parts of the world after real places -- that's confusing to the people who know about them.

Why is this insulting? He could have worded it more precisely, but he's right. If Bioware named a fantasy city 'Atlanta', some people would likely associate it with the actual city on some level.

If anything is insulting to his fan's intelligence, it would be his need to even explain that.

Confusing is definitely a wrong word here, but some people do find references to real places, countries, and civilization in a fantasy game jarring and immersion-breaking.

 

[mondblut]

I sure as hell wouldn't accept any fucking Atlantas and New Yorks in my Generic Fantasyland #47945. Anyone who would even consider that for a moment was probably dropped on their head after birth.

Minor german towns are a-ok, though. Who'd say some Mecklenburg or Preussen would sound out of place in my Generic Fantasyland? Well, except Mecklenburgians and Preussenites perhaps, but who cares about their peasant opinions?

 

[Exmit]

oh wow, Kodex never ceases to amaze me the ultimate playground of the inane and mentaly ill.

 

[catfood]

In Fallout 3 the name of the vampire underground base was Mereşti, which is a town in Romania. Imagine how confused I was I almost sued Bethesda.

 

[Konjad]

I don't understand... is town in Romania a Vampire? And Swedish capital an NPC? I'm confused

 

[Mastermind]

I don't understand... is town in Romania a Vampire? And Swedish capital an NPC? I'm confused

In your case it has less to do with being a Bioware fan and more to do with the fact that you're Polish.

 

[Zed]

:dizzy:

 

[racofer]

Those daring enough, who defy Bioware's decisions, are cast into the Presley Pit and devoured alive by the abomination that resides in that foul place.

 

[Antihero]

You start out with the plan for a plot that includes some old, cranky NPC woman named Getrude, but when you write her, she turns into a young airhead. Now, "Gertrude," really doesn't sound right at all...

Why not? Is it because you're a shallow wreck who believes that women named Gertrude are born old? Or that when women grow older they have to adapt and pick a less "young" name?

I wish I could post on that forum. I have needs.

That's stretching it. I'd be surprised if English were the only language where certain names are less popular now than they were a generation or two ago. So people with those names are more often associated with older people, or the period those names were more popular in. Meanwhile, some common names seem to be practically timeless.

It doesn't mean you can't give them those names, and a similar made-up fantasy name might not even have that problem, but it could still carry certain overtones reminiscent of real-life names. Or it might makes things slightly less bland.

But alas, if only more older women would get with the times and choose younger sounding names as they invariably age. But they just don't have enough shame nowadays.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

That fat fuck is fucking grotesque, he should be ashamed of himself.

 

[bhlaab]

I'm making a fantasy rpg where every location is named Detroit, I'm calling it Ultima 10

 

[Nael]

 

[adure]

probably married to his WoW toon

 

[Andyman Messiah]

You start out with the plan for a plot that includes some old, cranky NPC woman named Getrude, but when you write her, she turns into a young airhead. Now, "Gertrude," really doesn't sound right at all...

Why not? Is it because you're a shallow wreck who believes that women named Gertrude are born old? Or that when women grow older they have to adapt and pick a less "young" name?

I wish I could post on that forum. I have needs.

That's stretching it. I'd be surprised if English were the only language where certain names are less popular now than they were a generation or two ago. So people with those names are more often associated with older people, or the period those names were more popular in. Meanwhile, some common names seem to be practically timeless.

Timeless, of course, in a fantasy setting filled with ancient gaelic names that in modern times were only popular exactly one day between 1963 and 1981.

Now unless you're going to read between the lines leave me be. I'm trying to be unreasonably hateful here.

edit:

Nael confirmed as jealous. You can't lie to me.