Wasteland What puts you off the most about Wasteland 3?

[Roguey]

Inspired by the frosty reception in the Incline thread.

You can choose as many as you like because I know there's no one true reason why someone would dislike something, but it should still give a general idea of what people dislike the most.

 

[Fairfax]

All of the above plus:

• Crowdfunding another game with 2 yet to be released
• TTON delayed because of WL2 DC
• Fig
• Bullshots
• Shitty car companion

 

[Neanderthal]

Spoiler

 

[Infinitron]

• Crowdfunding another game with 2 yet to be released
• Fig

These two are worth adding to the poll.

 

[undecaf]

The uninspired and tired Fig campaign put me off; didn't learn anything actually relevant about the game other than new setting and "some tweaks" to the predecessors. Multiplayer is also a thoroughly useless addition.

 

[Jimmious]

What undecaf said along with multiplayer which doesn't convince me

 

[acer palmatum]

The move to one single character with companions (if it really is coming) - for me Wasteland is about 4 + 3.
Plus the campaign was not really informative about party-size, game-play, ... it's still more of a guess what comes down the alley.
The rest I can easily ignore.

 

[Excidium II]

Alll of the above.

Other: I don't like the grafics. Yeah they are top tier quality and massive improvement from shovelwareland 2 but all the screens are overly busy with detail, makes it a pain to look at. Those people should be tied down and made to stare at Fallout/2 screenshots until they get it.

 

[Volourn]

WL2 was fukkin' awesome. if WL3 is more of it it';ll be awesome. if not, no. Codex crying is hilarious icne we all know Codex is butthurt that Inexile laughs at them.

 

[StrongBelwas]

All of the above, plus Other: It being clear they are trying to sell the game to the NuBethesda/NuBioware refugees, with God only knows what effect that will have on how they approach the design, and little mention of complaints people had with Wasteland 2 and how they thought about addressing them.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

For me it's:
* inXile's treatment of the Codex
* Wasteland 2
* multiplatform development
* multiplayer
* the crowdfunding of another game with two yet to be released
I don't really care about single character with NPC partymembers (if that's really the case), I prefer it over full party creation anyway. Fig is shady, and I won't use it. But even if they were on Kickstarter only, I still wouldn't give them money over reasons stated above. inXile vs Codex was very poorly handled, Wasteland 2 was a boring slog with repetitive combat and fucking safes with two bullets, filled with inane characters and stale memes. The only redeeming feature of it was that it was turn-based, but even being TB combat sucked. Multiplatform development, even if they're still using Unity (are they using Unity? If so, please add it to the poll as one more reason to dislike the campaign) will cost both time and money, and also will probably give us fucked up interface. Multiplayer idea is stupid, I disliked it even in D:OS, where it was decently implemented. But I really don't see inExile having both competent game designers and coders for implementing it right. And yeah, at least they should've released Torment and only then crowdfund again.

 

[SniperHF]

Primarily it's because I no longer see InXile as a company looking to do the things I'm a big time proponent of, which is one of the main drivers in what I look for in supporting a crowd fund campaign. So things like Multiplatform development and use of Fig are an indicator of that more so than the actual reason. The "treatment of the codex" is tangentially related but wouldn't make a difference in my support if the whole incident didn't happen.

I have relatively few complaints about what I know of WL3, though I can't be assed to learn much because I don't care that much at this point. I'll check it out on release(Or EA depending on the price) because I like the setting and turn based.

What's the *thing* about the campaign I want to support is the better question. Setting and TB. The setting is good but not that good and there are buckets of turn based RPGs now.

Are they creating a difficult game? well past performance is an indicator of future results on that one.
Are they supporting the PC platform first and foremost? I kinda doubt it.
Are they doing something unique or rare with the game mechanics? Haven't seen it.
And of course the original reason, will this game exist without help? It will.

VD had a little tag for early supporters on the ITS forum called "Patron of the motherfucking arts". That's why I support campaigns and there is no motherfucking arts here and no reason for patronage.

 

[Roguey]

Eh, I think "still using Unity" can be filed under "Wasteland 2." I'd rather not list nearly every possible problem one could have with it that would make them not look forward to future Wastelands.

 

[oldmanpaco]

The biggest issue was making the deal to turn Torment into a console game. I get they want/need money but they should have been upfront about that in the KS campaign. All future InXile games are going to be 50%-70% off on steam before I buy them.

Also when people outside of the codex pick on our jews it feels wrong. That's the job for the codex GD crowd.

 

[Morality Games]

All of them bother me taken together. One or several of them and I wouldn't care.

It feels as though inXile always puts their bottom line ahead of ethical considerations the way a bigger company would, except with the additional sour note of putting on a performance that they aren't like the bigger companies. If I had to pick a single reason I would say they've been irresponsible custodians of crowdfunding. An important aspect of crowdfunding video games was that it was supposed to help shape a dialogue between gamers and developers to make games they both enjoyed without intervening market interests and substitute accountability toward shareholders with accountability toward customers. The overall atmosphere surrounding inXile is that it is as manipulative and exploitative as any other corporation, loudly announcing that it has succeeded or is succeeding where it has clearly failed, and does its best to project the same phony industry-friendly image that all is well that companies like Bethesda do.

 

[Mustawd]

The fake screenshots that are obviously edited. I'm not fucking stupid inXile, so please don't treat me like I am. All devs do at some point, but that just really got under my skin.

 

[Severian Silk]

Spoiler

I don't cay'ah any mowowow.

 

[Old One]

I don't even own WL2 yet, and I haven't been paying much attention at all to WL3, but the one press release I read was using the combat in Age of Decadence as a touchstone to say, "Our combat is going to be a lot more fun because it won't be like that too-hard, number-crunchy combat in AoD!"

Open catering to simpletons is not something I can support.

 

[Excidium II]

I don't even own WL2 yet,

Good 4 u

 

[Old One]

I don't even own WL2 yet,

Good 4 u

You know what's funny? WL2 is on sale on GOG.com right now, and I was thinking about buying it. This thread made made me buy something else instead.

Not because of anyone else's opinion, but because I don't like what I've read about the choices InExile is making.

 

[Excidium II]

This thread did good then.

 

[Old One]

Agreed. I bought Dungeon Rats and the King Arthur Collection instead, FWIW.

 

[throwaway]

If they had released TTON instead of delaying it due to consoles and it was the best thing since MotB at least Witcher 3, I'd consider throwing my money at them. InExile's and Fargo's general evident move towards the mainstream (Multiplatform + Multiplayer) kept me from caring enough to invest my time past the Kickstarter video.

 

[Kev Inkline]

For the lack of better option I chose among the reasons the cinematic dialogues even though my gripe is more with how the character models look. I think they could be named Fishlips 1, Fishlips 2 etc. Mr. Goodtimes looks like your regular western Mongolian politician that we've got a plenty around here (((boring))).
Further, I think it's not fair play that they're in the process of financing another product without even delivering T:ToN - combined with Fig it just feels to shady.

As we have heard only one side of the story, I don't care that much about them neglecting Codex - if everything had looked extremely promising I would have probably ignored it ever happened. What comes to cancelling the interview, I think they only wanted to do what's right, or to put that more precicely, what's far-right. Mainly because they've still got Ziets, I guess.

 

[santino27]

I opted not to help fund WL3. TTON isn't out, and what we've seen of BT4 is minimal (and unimpressive even in that), so giving them more money seemed unwarranted.

As far as the poll goes, I basically did all of the above except heavier emphasis on base management (which could be cool) and the move to single character with companions (which is less cool but doesn't really bother me that much in the end)