Official RPG Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Which of these are the best games of the CRPG revival? [Sep 2021 Edition]

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Louis_Cypher, Sep 24, 2021.

?

Multiple votes allowed: Choose all that meet the criteria of being 'good'

  1. Legend of Grimrock 1

    26 vote(s)
    16.1%
  2. Legend of Grimrock 2

    28 vote(s)
    17.4%
  3. Expidtions: Conquistador

    24 vote(s)
    14.9%
  4. Expiditions: Viking

    29 vote(s)
    18.0%
  5. Shadowrun Returns

    15 vote(s)
    9.3%
  6. Shadowrun: Dragonfall

    62 vote(s)
    38.5%
  7. Shadowrun: Hong Kong

    28 vote(s)
    17.4%
  8. The Banner Saga 1

    9 vote(s)
    5.6%
  9. The Banner Saga 2

    9 vote(s)
    5.6%
  10. The Banner Saga 3

    6 vote(s)
    3.7%
  11. Divinity: Original Sin 1

    28 vote(s)
    17.4%
  12. Divinity: Original Sin 2

    33 vote(s)
    20.5%
  13. Wasteland 2

    26 vote(s)
    16.1%
  14. Wasteland 3

    25 vote(s)
    15.5%
  15. Pillars of Eternity 1

    28 vote(s)
    17.4%
  16. Pillars of Eternity 2

    24 vote(s)
    14.9%
  17. Age of Decadence

    68 vote(s)
    42.2%
  18. UnderRail

    69 vote(s)
    42.9%
  19. Dungeon Rats

    23 vote(s)
    14.3%
  20. Tyranny

    24 vote(s)
    14.9%
  21. Torment: Tides of Numenera

    9 vote(s)
    5.6%
  22. Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar

    31 vote(s)
    19.3%
  23. ELEX 1

    30 vote(s)
    18.6%
  24. ATOM RPG

    40 vote(s)
    24.8%
  25. The Bard's Tale 4

    7 vote(s)
    4.3%
  26. Pathfinder: Kingmaker

    68 vote(s)
    42.2%
  27. Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous

    46 vote(s)
    28.6%
  28. Kenshi 1

    25 vote(s)
    15.5%
  29. Druidstone: The Secret of the Menhir Forest

    4 vote(s)
    2.5%
  30. The Outer Worlds 1

    5 vote(s)
    3.1%
  31. Operencia: The Stolen Sun

    5 vote(s)
    3.1%
  32. Solasta: Crown of the Magister

    14 vote(s)
    8.7%
  33. Encased: A Sci-Fi Post-Apocalyptic RPG

    11 vote(s)
    6.8%
  34. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Monomyth

    13 vote(s)
    8.1%
  35. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Kenshi 2

    21 vote(s)
    13.0%
  36. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - ELEX 2

    22 vote(s)
    13.7%
  37. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Baldur's Gate 3

    23 vote(s)
    14.3%
  38. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Colony Ship

    46 vote(s)
    28.6%
  39. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Vagrus: The Riven Realms

    6 vote(s)
    3.7%
  40. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Avowed

    6 vote(s)
    3.7%
  41. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Black Geyser

    9 vote(s)
    5.6%
  42. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Prometheus Wept

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  43. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Stoneshard

    5 vote(s)
    3.1%
  44. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - The Hand of Merlin

    3 vote(s)
    1.9%
  45. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Dragon Age 4

    5 vote(s)
    3.1%
  46. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Mass Effect 5

    5 vote(s)
    3.1%
  47. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - KOTOR Remake

    4 vote(s)
    2.5%
  48. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - Starfield

    5 vote(s)
    3.1%
  49. BONUS POLL / MOST PROMISING UPCOMING - VTMB 2

    6 vote(s)
    3.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Louis_Cypher Cipher

    Louis_Cypher
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2016
    Messages:
    429
    Did they inspire you? Were you compelled to finish, or did you get bored? Was it laborious work you forced on yourself, or was it a genuine joy to play? Do you still remember interesting ideas and details long after? Did Underworld Ascendant or The Bard's Tale 4 ever get fixed? Is there anything good in the D&D or Pathfinder games like Solasta? Are there in fact any truly great games among them? What were positive trends, what were negative ones, and what commended particular games?

    I know the list probably isn't authoritative in scope, apologies for that, please choose from whatever is there, because it's just an informal gathering of the mood and consensus.
     
    • Participation Award x 1
    • Funny x 1
    • decline x 1
    • No x 1
    • Salute x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    • Old x 1
    • honk honk! x 1
    • Bad Spelling x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. RNGsus True Neutral Patron

    RNGsus
    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2011
    Messages:
    7,632
    Battle Brothers
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • incline incline x 2
    • Participation Award Participation Award x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  3. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

    Darth Roxor
    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,875,086
    Location:
    Djibouti
    Since the thread title is "which are the best", I chose to ignore the poll question of "choose all that are good" and decided to stick with the best. Picked:

    Grimrock 2 - a fantastic game of mystery and exploration
    Expeditions: Viking - very well-researched, well-written and overall very cool viking sim that manages to stand out as unique among the sea of norse-inspired media
    Shadowrun: Dragonfall - best of the Shadowrun games and, on reflection, perhaps even one of the best games on the list when it comes to the "overall package" (even if the exploration is non-existent)
    Divinity: Original Sin 1 - with the caveat that this is the non-"enhanced" edition. Had massive fun with it in coop, especially since it gave me massive Guild Wars flashbacks, except turn-based. Too bad the enhanced edition ruined it
    AoD - I still stand by my claims that AoD is a one-of-a-kind game
    Dungeon Rats - AoD beat 'em up, what's not to like.
    Grimoire - The legend. There is something immensely ironic about the fact that once Grimoire used to be a total meme game and a synonym for a scam or vapourware, when it turned out to be one of the best blobbers in existence. I would even risk ranking it ex aequo with my favourite of all time, which is Wiz8.
    ELEX - The game that showed Piranha Bytes still have it.

    Bonus poll:

    ELEX 2 - DUH
     
    • Brofist x 17
    • meh x 1
    • Yes x 1
    • Informative x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  4. Bester ⚰️☠️⚱️ Patron Vatnik

    Bester
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2014
    Messages:
    8,291
    Location:
    USSR
    I didn't play a single of those games more than 5-10 hours. 10h was AoD and nothing else.

    I can't put my finger on it, but there's something fake and utterly boring about these games.

    Very hypocritical of you to put TToN in the list, but not Disco. Disco did something new and inspired a lot of games to follow their example. It was actually a mini revolution. "BG"3 borrowed its dialogues with dice. Colony Ship borrowed its dialogue UI. I expect some games to borrow the inner dialogues. It was the only post-2004 RPG I loved.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2021
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Shit Shit x 4
    • Old Old x 1
    ^ Top  
  5. V_K Arcane

    V_K
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2013
    Messages:
    7,120
    Location:
    at a Nowhere near you
    Meh, shit poll. Lots of good games not on the list, lots of games on the list nowhere near good or promising.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    ^ Top  
  6. Disciple Learned

    Disciple
    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2018
    Messages:
    84
  7. unseeingeye Cleric/Mage Patron

    unseeingeye
    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2021
    Messages:
    85
    Strap Yourselves In
    I like Grimoire, what I've played of Age of Decadence and Expeditions: Vikings.
    Calling this relatively recent trend a renaissance as the above linked poll does is kind of absurd though; in most (but not all) cases it is a slight design and marketing reorientation capitalizing on a narrow window of generational nostalgia. The Carolingians, the Florentines and Venetians of the past turning towards classical antiquity after centuries of loss of literary, medicinal, architectural, scientific, artistic &c knowledge were renaissances that profoundly reshaped their respective cultures on practically every level.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  8. Rusty Eyes aka Auraculum

    Self-Ejected
    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2021
    Messages:
    137
    Age of Decadence? Really?
     
    • butthurt butthurt x 3
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • Yes Yes x 2
    • Participation Award Participation Award x 1
    ^ Top  
  9. Daedalos Arcane The Real Fanboy

    Daedalos
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2007
    Messages:
    5,074
    Location:
    Denmark
    Shadowrun has disturbingly high amount of votes...

    the fuck is that shit. :prosper:
     
    • it is a mystery x 2
    • Fishy x 1
    • Agree x 1
    • Bro, do you even lift? x 1
    • Math! x 1
    • retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  10. rusty_shackleford Arcane

    rusty_shackleford
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2018
    Messages:
    33,344
    I always find the EE hate amusing because it confirms what I already know: most of the codex plays games on easy difficulty. EE added Tactician difficulty, without that you might as well not even play it.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. Diablo1_reborn Busin 0 Wizardry Alternative Neo fanatic Patron

    Diablo1_reborn
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2011
    Messages:
    1,993
    Location:
    Germany
    Plus Tactician difficulty actually changed some encounters too. It was way better in 1 than 2 (where it just was HP bloat and some "AI refinements").
     
    • Yes Yes x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. fantadomat Arcane Edgy Wumao

    fantadomat
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2017
    Messages:
    30,208
    Location:
    Bulgaria
    LoL nu pissfinder lol,the kodex is dead lol


    EDIT: Shouldn't have been private poll,we should shame those retards.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    • retadred retadred x 3
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  13. samuraigaiden Cipher

    samuraigaiden
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2018
    Messages:
    1,484
    RPG Wokedex
    There a recent games in the Codex Top 101 which aren't in the poll, like Lords of Xulima.

    Also, no Blackguards? GTFO with that shitty poll
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    ^ Top  
  14. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

    Darth Roxor
    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,875,086
    Location:
    Djibouti
    Non-EE DOS1 was harder than EE tactician.

    The EE completely defanged the game, and the final bossfight is the best example of that.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  15. rusty_shackleford Arcane

    rusty_shackleford
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2018
    Messages:
    33,344
    No, it wasn't. But good cope though.
     
    ^ Top  
  16. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

    Darth Roxor
    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,875,086
    Location:
    Djibouti
    A significant number of fights in vanilla DOS1 gave me trouble, while the EE I breezed through on tactician. Nice try, though.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  17. rusty_shackleford Arcane

    rusty_shackleford
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2018
    Messages:
    33,344
    "I play game once it hard. I play again it easy... wtf??"
    idk man
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  18. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

    Darth Roxor
    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,875,086
    Location:
    Djibouti
    There's a boatload of difference between a game being naturally easier on a subsequent playthrough when you are used to the content, and when it is nerfed to hell. I already noted it in my final impressions in 2016 that the EE felt 'significantly' easier than the OG. This is not something that happens just through familiarity.

    Again, take the final boss. In EE tactician the void dragon has a measly 3500 hp compared to the OG's 15000 or something (it was over 10k for sure), and you even get an additional strong NPC to help.

    I also have very clear memories of the major battles in chapter 1 - like the bone baron or braccus rex - being total walkovers in the EE, to the degree that I'd beat them on first try without breaking a sweat.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Yes Yes x 1
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  19. fantadomat Arcane Edgy Wumao

    fantadomat
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2017
    Messages:
    30,208
    Location:
    Bulgaria
    Ahh on replay games are a lot easier,meta knowledge and shieeeet.
     
    ^ Top  
  20. unseeingeye Cleric/Mage Patron

    unseeingeye
    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2021
    Messages:
    85
    Strap Yourselves In
    Forgot about Xulima, good one. One of the few games I like without having to qualify or excuse myself for.
     
    ^ Top  
  21. Darth Canoli Arcane

    Darth Canoli
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2018
    Messages:
    4,319
    Location:
    Perched on a tree
    On top of that, Braindead's Shadowrun are barely RPG if at all...
    They're Tactical RPG, which is a different genre (Like Fantasy General, Incubation, Dungeon Rats, Shining Force and the likes...)
     
    ^ Top  
  22. rusty_shackleford Arcane

    rusty_shackleford
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2018
    Messages:
    33,344
    yea but this isn't a poll for visual novels
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • Salute Salute x 2
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  23. Parabalus Arcane

    Parabalus
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2015
    Messages:
    11,631
    D:OS2 is also in the poll though.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.