Official RPG Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Why do people hate Oblivion so much?

Discussion in 'Bethesda Game Studios' started by mfkndggrfll, Jul 2, 2018.

  1. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

    JamesDixon
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2015
    Messages:
    4,146
    Location:
    In the Adventure Master's Lair on Malignost
    Strap Yourselves In
    And your posts reeks of retardation, but I don't hold it against poor retards like you. If you can't debate the facts then you're the one that is butthurt.

    EDIT for your stealth edit: I never said it was retard. You failed reading comprehension didn't you? You also failed debate and how to properly argue your position. That's obvious with you creating strawmen to attack someone with. Attack why I SAID not what you THINK I said retard.
     
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. Shin Arbiter

    Shin
    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2015
    Messages:
    544
    Arguing about Oblivion is like running in the Special Olympics...
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  3. Broseph Codex Fairy Queen Patron

    Broseph
    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2012
    Messages:
    4,104
    Location:
    Indiana
    It’s you making the assumption that I agreed with the normies when I said normies like Oblivion, dumbfuck. Kill yourself.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  4. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

    JamesDixon
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2015
    Messages:
    4,146
    Location:
    In the Adventure Master's Lair on Malignost
    Strap Yourselves In
    Learn to read fucktard because I never said that. This is you being a fucking retard to create a strawman to keep arguing like the little princess you are. Get an argument that touches upon what I ACTUALLY SAID. God you people are so stupid.

    Suck start a shotgun and do the world a favor. We can do with less mentally defective and low IQ individuals.
     
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  5. Broseph Codex Fairy Queen Patron

    Broseph
    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2012
    Messages:
    4,104
    Location:
    Indiana
    Bitch you were failing at reading comprehension before I even entered the thread. You have no self-awareness.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  6. JamesDixon Arcane Patron

    JamesDixon
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2015
    Messages:
    4,146
    Location:
    In the Adventure Master's Lair on Malignost
    Strap Yourselves In
    Ad hominem and doesn't actually touch upon what I said. You are lacking self awareness. Suck start a shotgun and give it a deep blow.
     
    • butthurt butthurt x 3
    • I found this text to be too long and as such I didn't read it I found this text to be too long and as such I didn't read it x 2
    ^ Top  
  7. LarryTyphoid Learned

    LarryTyphoid
    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2021
    Messages:
    195
    Holy shit why can't you fags quote properly? This thread is going to be 80 pages of you fuckers quoting each other at this rate.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • No No x 3
    • Agree Agree x 2
    ^ Top  
  8. PulsatingBrain Huge and Ever-Growing Patron

    PulsatingBrain
    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2014
    Messages:
    4,676
    Location:
    The Centre of the Ultraworld
    ^This.

    Quote the line you're responding to. We don't need the whole conversation 20 times per page. We don't need any of it ever, really, but just quoting better would be an improvement.
     
    • :M :M x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Makes you think... Makes you think... x 1
    ^ Top  
  9. Machocruz Arcane

    Machocruz
    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2011
    Messages:
    3,700
    Location:
    Hyperborea
    Even if you win, Bethesda are still retarded
    Show Spoiler
    -ly wealthy
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    ^ Top  
  10. jackofshadows Magister

    jackofshadows
    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2019
    Messages:
    2,734
    Location:
    Space
    Nah, I had such a good laugh, honestly. You guys have found shit to argue over :lol:
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Thanks! Thanks! x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. Funposter Magister

    Funposter
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2018
    Messages:
    1,363
    Location:
    Australia
    JamesDixon accuses others of strawmanning when it's all he's done for the entire retarded argument.
     
    • Yes Yes x 3
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. ChaDargo Arbiter

    ChaDargo
    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2018
    Messages:
    372
    Location:
    Texas
    McDonald's is p. good tho
     
    • Fishy x 2
    • not sure if serious x 1
    • No x 1
    • it is a mystery x 1
    • Disgusting! x 1
    ^ Top  
  13. TheHeroOfTime Arcane

    TheHeroOfTime
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Messages:
    2,443
    S.p.e.c.i.a.l olimpics
     
    • Creative Creative x 5
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  14. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

    Cael
    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2017
    Messages:
    16,136
    Great. Now you are dragging Oblivion with Guns into this thread...
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • feels good man feels good man x 1
    • Math! Math! x 1
    ^ Top  
  15. TheHeroOfTime Arcane

    TheHeroOfTime
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Messages:
    2,443
    The ride never ends...

    :fallout3:
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • When words are not enough When words are not enough x 1
    ^ Top  
  16. Corbin Dallas Multipass Learned

    Corbin Dallas Multipass
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2021
    Messages:
    222
    So like... this is a bit right? You guys are having a pretend retarded argument so you can laugh at us for thinking you're retarded or something, right?
    Nobody can even tell who you are talking to here because you're so bad at quoting and replying. It looks like you're disagreeing with me going by the quote, but the content of your post is you agreeing with me.

    And seeing who called someone retarded and counting all the times they called someone retarded and seeing other things they have said before to throw in their faces is not "fact checking". It's at best, ad-hominem. More typically, it's a sign that you've completely lost the argument. Which is sad in this case, when you're objectively right.
     
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    ^ Top  
  17. AW8 Arcane

    AW8
    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2013
    Messages:
    1,765
    Location:
    North of Poland
    Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    I'm not sure what your problem with this specific point is. I checked the wiki and it seems there are 22 arena fights before you become champion, plus one optional dungeon-delving quest to make the Champion suicidal during your title fight. Seems like plenty of fights, and the whole questline seems to take over an hour according to this video:



    It's pretty silly for the player to become the head of several different guilds, but becoming No. 1 in a place where you rise in the ranks by simply killing the other contenders? That's the one place where such an accomplishment makes sense for a vicious murderhobo.
    And while Bethesda games generally have awful writing, the Arena is actually decently written. Uncovering the Champion's true heritage is a neat, believable way to make him lose the will to fight, and Michael Mack is hilarious as the player's trash-talking handler.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  18. Drop Bear Educated

    Drop Bear
    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2020
    Messages:
    63
    Everyone is a winner?
     
    • Yes Yes x 1
    ^ Top  
  19. Funposter Magister

    Funposter
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2018
    Messages:
    1,363
    Location:
    Australia
    By all accounts the Arena is a victim of a cut content and was probably meant to be a bit longer and more in-depth, but most of it was cut due to development deadlines and disk space. Emil Pagliarulo said that every city was originally supposed to have an arena, and the game files feature quite a few cut NPCs, lines of dialogue, rumours related to Arena quests etc. I'm sure that the Arena was originally supposed to stand alongside the MG, FG, TG and DB in the original design document, but the realities of the game's development mean that it's a bit unfair to look at it as a fully fledged faction. Something had to be cut and the guy who worked on Thief 2 decided that, unsurprisingly, he'd rather it be the Arena questline than the Dark Brotherhood.
     
    ^ Top  
  20. Valdetiosi Educated

    Valdetiosi
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2016
    Messages:
    91
    Location:
    Finland
    I think that's misquoted, it's not about really length of the arena questline, but rather the challenge. Since NPCs level scale with you, you can become Champion of the Arena as level 1.
    The only one who doesn't level and actually has static level higher than 1 is Grand Champion, but yeh, you can cheese him out by doing his related quest.
     
    • it is a mystery it is a mystery x 1
    ^ Top  
  21. Funposter Magister

    Funposter
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2018
    Messages:
    1,363
    Location:
    Australia
    With the way Arena combatants scale, I'm pretty sure the Grand Champion is actually weaker, even at Level 1, than he was supposed to be. One of the fights just before him has a level offset of +7, so presumably the Grand Champion would have been +10 (min. level 11) and I'm pretty sure the UOP does fix that. As mentioned, the problem with him as that his quest negates the challenge entirely.
     
    ^ Top  
  22. AW8 Arcane

    AW8
    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2013
    Messages:
    1,765
    Location:
    North of Poland
    Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    I thought this was what Decado meant at first, but then he explicitly put Level Scaling as a different point just underneath it. [​IMG]

    I don't think the Arena needed any more content, it delivers exactly what it promises: Fights in an enclosed space. It's straightforward and it should be. No need for a bunch of cutscenes, a convoluted mystery plot or an ending where you join a secret arena cult and sell your soul to the Daedric god of personal combat.

    The big problems with the Arena stem from Oblivion's general game design: The combat is trash (a TES staple) and level scaling minimizes initial challenge and makes levelling counter-productive. If the game had good action combat, they could have cut down the number of fights and instead worked on making them all unique by scripting and changing the arena geometry. In a world where people can fly and shoot lightning, would the people of the Imperial City really be content watching two combatants run at each other on a flat surface? Floating islands, magic jump pads and powerups would not only work in the setting, but actually make the fights exciting.

    It's obviously absurd to think that they would go full arena shooter in 2006 when the advancements in action combat taken from Morrowind consisted of manual blocking and the removal of dice rolls. But for TES 6, there isn't really an excuse for them to not take at least some element from family member Id's DOOM series.
     
    ^ Top  
  23. TheHeroOfTime Arcane

    TheHeroOfTime
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Messages:
    2,443
  24. Valdetiosi Educated

    Valdetiosi
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2016
    Messages:
    91
    Location:
    Finland
    ngl the only thing I really liked about Oblivion when I first played it, and even now, is just the world design. It looks beautiful.
    honestly Bethesda should have just done unofficial clone of Lord of The Rings, as that's what was in my head more than elder scrolls while playing it.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • decline decline x 1
    • No No x 1
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.