Why do people hate Oblivion so much?

[DJOGamer PT]

Supposedly there's going to be an announcement tomorrow regarding an Oblivion remaster...

 

[uzimahmood]

Couldn't stand Oblivion for more than a couple of hours even with Maskar's Overhaul, but Nehrim is one of my favorite games. Not sure what that means.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

It’d be interesting if they redid their Oblivion combat system to work more like Dark Souls, ie, have the stamina system in an Elder Scrolls game actually fucking matter. Given the rise of FromSoftware’s Souls combat system in the 13 years since an Elder Scrolls game came out, I could see Bethesda making a new Elder Scrolls game play like Dark Souls since Dark Souls combat is basically just a good not shit version of Oblivion combat. Although to make it work Bethesda would finally have to improve enemy AI.

Seems like the kind of thing to do in a remake, that is if the remake was made to test out thing for the future game.

Seems like the thing to do would’ve been to remake Morrowind, since that game doesn’t even have the action game combat the series would switch over to with Oblivion. Although an Oblivion remake could definitely to something more interesting with the Oblivion Gate dungeons.

 

[JarlFrank]

Stamina actually fucking mattered in Morrowind, it just stopped mattering afterwards (just like pretty much 90% of the systems that were in Morrowind and/or Daggerfall).

 

[Fedora Master]

I don't wanna see Bethesda try to ape Dark Souls

 

[Elttharion]

I don't wanna see Bethesda try to ape Dark Souls

I do, the result would probably be hilarious

 

[rubinstein]

yeah, lets turn oblivion into roll-slop, the systems are already there

 

[Butter]

Fatigue was actually really important in Oblivion. It was a damage multiplier on all your attacks. Part of the reason people think Oblivion is damage spongey is because they don't drink Restore Fatigue potions to stay at full (I mean, it's also the enemies being damage sponges, but bad fatigue management doesn't help).

 

[Desiderius]

Nice sig. You know who else went overboard with the fatigue management...

 

[Beastro]

Fatigue was actually really important in Oblivion. It was a damage multiplier on all your attacks. Part of the reason people think Oblivion is damage spongey is because they don't drink Restore Fatigue potions to stay at full (I mean, it's also the enemies being damage sponges, but bad fatigue management doesn't help).

Chugging them helped, but shit was still damage spongy.

 

[itsme]

Yeah yeah. Oblivion remaster is coming and all of you will be playing it. Secretly. If your shit PC will allow you to.

 

[Harthwain]

Yeah yeah. Oblivion remaster is coming and all of you will be playing it. Secretly. If your shit PC will allow you to.

I'd rather play original Skyrim than Oblivion, remaster or not. And I wouldn't hold my breath that remaster will be any good, because as of late the videogame industry seems to having problems doing even something as simple as remastering the classics.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

We already know how an Oblivion remaster in UE will look like. Just check Avowed.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Fatigue was actually really important in Oblivion. It was a damage multiplier on all your attacks. Part of the reason people think Oblivion is damage spongey is because they don't drink Restore Fatigue potions to stay at full (I mean, it's also the enemies being damage sponges, but bad fatigue management doesn't help).

Fatigue really didn’t matter at all. It was largely faster to kill an enemy in Oblivion (and Skyrim) by just hitting the enemy as much as possible regardless of where your fatigue at. You get the big hits in at the start of combat when you’ve got full meter, but after that you just wail away without fatigue and you be OK and end the fight faster more often than not. Nobody is going to manage a system that doesn’t matter. I think the one time I needed fatigue for combat was when I was trying to fight some vampire in a cave that was more powerful than me, and I figured I’d get him out into the sun so he would take sun damage and I’d just keep healing myself while fighting him, but I get use outside and I find the only vampire taking sun damage is me.

It seemed like it was even worse in the bit of Skyrim I played, but I gave up on Skyrim pretty early. By Skyrim I was long over Bethesda, but someone had given me a copy of Skyrim so I figured I may as well try it. Was surprised to find Skyrim was even worse than Oblivion, it was like they didn’t improve anything that needed improving, (like the combat system) and on top of that they made everything dumber. Skyrim also didn’t pull off the new things it was trying to do, like making magic more like BioShock Plasmids; Skyrim magic neither worked as well or was as visually interesting.

In comparison to Dark Souls, which on paper is basically the exact same combat system as Oblivion but you need fatigue to even attack and block, fatigue doesn’t matter at all. Demon’s Souls and Dark Souls are like Hidetaka Miyazaki played Oblivion, maybe even liked Oblivion, but definitely had problems with the combat system and figured out a way to solve it...but also didn’t have the budget to be a big open world game with towns full of NPC doing random things.

 

[Butter]

Fatigue was actually really important in Oblivion. It was a damage multiplier on all your attacks. Part of the reason people think Oblivion is damage spongey is because they don't drink Restore Fatigue potions to stay at full (I mean, it's also the enemies being damage sponges, but bad fatigue management doesn't help).

Fatigue really didn’t matter at all. It was largely faster to kill an enemy in Oblivion (and Skyrim) by just hitting the enemy as much as possible regardless of where your fatigue at. You get the big hits in at the start of combat when you’ve got full meter, but after that you just wail away without fatigue and you be OK and end the fight faster more often than not. Nobody is going to manage a system that doesn’t matter. I think the one time I needed fatigue for combat was when I was trying to fight some vampire in a cave that was more powerful than me, and I figured I’d get him out into the sun so he would take sun damage and I’d just keep healing myself while fighting him, but I get use outside and I find the only vampire taking sun damage is me.

It seemed like it was even worse in the bit of Skyrim I played, but I gave up on Skyrim pretty early. By Skyrim I was long over Bethesda, but someone had given me a copy of Skyrim so I figured I may as well try it. Was surprised to find Skyrim was even worse than Oblivion, it was like they didn’t improve anything that needed improving, (like the combat system) and on top of that they made everything dumber. Skyrim also didn’t pull off the new things it was trying to do, like making magic more like BioShock Plasmids; Skyrim magic neither worked as well or was as visually interesting.

In comparison to Dark Souls, which on paper is basically the exact same combat system as Oblivion but you need fatigue to even attack and block, fatigue doesn’t matter at all. Demon’s Souls and Dark Souls are like Hidetaka Miyazaki played Oblivion, maybe even liked Oblivion, but definitely had problems with the combat system and figured out a way to solve it...but also didn’t have the budget to be a big open world game with towns full of NPC doing random things.

Literally just open your inventory and pop a Restore Fatigue potion when you get to around 2/3. It applies over time and keeps your damage up as you're fighting. It's not a time commitment and it's not slower than wailing away with 0 Fatigue.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Fatigue was actually really important in Oblivion. It was a damage multiplier on all your attacks. Part of the reason people think Oblivion is damage spongey is because they don't drink Restore Fatigue potions to stay at full (I mean, it's also the enemies being damage sponges, but bad fatigue management doesn't help).

Fatigue really didn’t matter at all. It was largely faster to kill an enemy in Oblivion (and Skyrim) by just hitting the enemy as much as possible regardless of where your fatigue at. You get the big hits in at the start of combat when you’ve got full meter, but after that you just wail away without fatigue and you be OK and end the fight faster more often than not. Nobody is going to manage a system that doesn’t matter. I think the one time I needed fatigue for combat was when I was trying to fight some vampire in a cave that was more powerful than me, and I figured I’d get him out into the sun so he would take sun damage and I’d just keep healing myself while fighting him, but I get use outside and I find the only vampire taking sun damage is me.

It seemed like it was even worse in the bit of Skyrim I played, but I gave up on Skyrim pretty early. By Skyrim I was long over Bethesda, but someone had given me a copy of Skyrim so I figured I may as well try it. Was surprised to find Skyrim was even worse than Oblivion, it was like they didn’t improve anything that needed improving, (like the combat system) and on top of that they made everything dumber. Skyrim also didn’t pull off the new things it was trying to do, like making magic more like BioShock Plasmids; Skyrim magic neither worked as well or was as visually interesting.

In comparison to Dark Souls, which on paper is basically the exact same combat system as Oblivion but you need fatigue to even attack and block, fatigue doesn’t matter at all. Demon’s Souls and Dark Souls are like Hidetaka Miyazaki played Oblivion, maybe even liked Oblivion, but definitely had problems with the combat system and figured out a way to solve it...but also didn’t have the budget to be a big open world game with towns full of NPC doing random things.

Literally just open your inventory and pop a Restore Fatigue potion when you get to around 2/3. It applies over time and keeps your damage up as you're fighting. It's not a time commitment and it's not slower than wailing away with 0 Fatigue.

Why would you even waste the time when you literally do no need to at all?

 

[Butter]

Fatigue was actually really important in Oblivion. It was a damage multiplier on all your attacks. Part of the reason people think Oblivion is damage spongey is because they don't drink Restore Fatigue potions to stay at full (I mean, it's also the enemies being damage sponges, but bad fatigue management doesn't help).

Fatigue really didn’t matter at all. It was largely faster to kill an enemy in Oblivion (and Skyrim) by just hitting the enemy as much as possible regardless of where your fatigue at. You get the big hits in at the start of combat when you’ve got full meter, but after that you just wail away without fatigue and you be OK and end the fight faster more often than not. Nobody is going to manage a system that doesn’t matter. I think the one time I needed fatigue for combat was when I was trying to fight some vampire in a cave that was more powerful than me, and I figured I’d get him out into the sun so he would take sun damage and I’d just keep healing myself while fighting him, but I get use outside and I find the only vampire taking sun damage is me.

It seemed like it was even worse in the bit of Skyrim I played, but I gave up on Skyrim pretty early. By Skyrim I was long over Bethesda, but someone had given me a copy of Skyrim so I figured I may as well try it. Was surprised to find Skyrim was even worse than Oblivion, it was like they didn’t improve anything that needed improving, (like the combat system) and on top of that they made everything dumber. Skyrim also didn’t pull off the new things it was trying to do, like making magic more like BioShock Plasmids; Skyrim magic neither worked as well or was as visually interesting.

In comparison to Dark Souls, which on paper is basically the exact same combat system as Oblivion but you need fatigue to even attack and block, fatigue doesn’t matter at all. Demon’s Souls and Dark Souls are like Hidetaka Miyazaki played Oblivion, maybe even liked Oblivion, but definitely had problems with the combat system and figured out a way to solve it...but also didn’t have the budget to be a big open world game with towns full of NPC doing random things.

Literally just open your inventory and pop a Restore Fatigue potion when you get to around 2/3. It applies over time and keeps your damage up as you're fighting. It's not a time commitment and it's not slower than wailing away with 0 Fatigue.

Why would you even waste the time when you literally do no need to at all?

Because we're talking about Oblivion, and enemies become extremely spongey as you progress through the game. Your argument is that it's not worth popping a potion to reduce the tedium of combat?

 

[Fedora Master]

I was playing Oblivion not long ago and it's just... The basic gameplay loops aren't that interesting. What it does have going for it are some memorable quests and dialogue.

 

[ds]

Because we're talking about Oblivion, and enemies become extremely spongey as you progress through the game. Your argument is that it's not worth popping a potion to reduce the tedium of combat?

Why only reduce the tedium of combat when you can break it with spellcasting/enchantments without having to care about fatigue at all.

 

[Butter]

Because we're talking about Oblivion, and enemies become extremely spongey as you progress through the game. Your argument is that it's not worth popping a potion to reduce the tedium of combat?

Why only reduce the tedium of combat when you can break it with spellcasting/enchantments without having to care about fatigue at all.

Listen, my solution is to not play the game at all! In my experience, enchantments aren't enough damage to avoid the spongeyness problem or the running out of fatigue problem.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

I was playing Oblivion not long ago and it's just... The basic gameplay loops aren't that interesting. What it does have going for it are some memorable quests and dialogue.

The gameplay loop would be better if the gameplay was good, but when your gameplay loop is designed around getting you into combo encounters and the combat fucking so then so too does the game.

I don’t know about anymore, but something Bethesda was pretty good at, at that time was environmental storytelling.

 

[markec]

I was playing Oblivion not long ago and it's just... The basic gameplay loops aren't that interesting. What it does have going for it are some memorable quests and dialogue.

The gameplay loop would be better if the gameplay was good, but when your gameplay loop is designed around getting you into combo encounters and the combat fucking so then so too does the game.

I don’t know about anymore, but something Bethesda was pretty good at, at that time was environmental storytelling.

There is very little of environmental storytelling in Oblivion.

 

[Beastro]

I was playing Oblivion not long ago and it's just... The basic gameplay loops aren't that interesting. What it does have going for it are some memorable quests and dialogue.

The gameplay loop would be better if the gameplay was good, but when your gameplay loop is designed around getting you into combo encounters and the combat fucking so then so too does the game.

I don’t know about anymore, but something Bethesda was pretty good at, at that time was environmental storytelling.

There is very little of environmental storytelling in Oblivion.

IIRC, there was that quest in the well for the Mages Guild(?) where you find the corpse of the previous mage recruit in it having supposedly drowned trying to find the macguffin for the quest.

Still it wasn't on the levels of FO3 with the damn skeletons that took on a life of its own.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Still it wasn't on the levels of FO3 with the damn skeletons that took on a life of its own.

Not limited to skeletons, either:

 

[markec]

I was playing Oblivion not long ago and it's just... The basic gameplay loops aren't that interesting. What it does have going for it are some memorable quests and dialogue.

The gameplay loop would be better if the gameplay was good, but when your gameplay loop is designed around getting you into combo encounters and the combat fucking so then so too does the game.

I don’t know about anymore, but something Bethesda was pretty good at, at that time was environmental storytelling.

There is very little of environmental storytelling in Oblivion.

IIRC, there was that quest in the well for the Mages Guild(?) where you find the corpse of the previous mage recruit in it having supposedly drowned trying to find the macguffin for the quest.

Still it wasn't on the levels of FO3 with the damn skeletons that took on a life of its own.

In Oblivion you can find bits of environmental storytelling here and there mostly related to quests. Morrowind was famous for it and in the rest of nuBethesda games environmental storytelling was used progressively more in every aspect of the game, Fallout 4 especially is filled with it.