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Decline Why so little love for Nethack?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by PorkyThePaladin, Dec 10, 2019.

  1. PorkyThePaladin Arcane

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    This game barely gets mentioned here, never makes it on the top RPG lists.

    And yet it is without a doubt one of the greatest RPGs ever made, and with the Vulture 2D graphical interface (the whole package available on Steam for like $3), there is no "I don't play ASCII" excuse.

    This game, if you don't look up online hints/guides, can take many, many years to play through, as you uncover its secrets, and understand how everything works. I've been playing it on and off for years (close to a decade), and the furthest I've gotten is level 29 out of the 50 floors in the main dungeon.

    The combination of intelligent gameplay and the thrill of discovering awesome loot, leveling up your character, and learning new shit makes this game the thinking man's Diablo (which I believe was sorta based on it in the beginning).

    So, Codex, what's your excuse?

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/341390/Vulture_for_NetHack/
     
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  2. FEDSMOKER Lie Spider Patron

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    aww fuck i gotta play this. i bought this on steam years ago
     
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  3. Atchodas Arbiter

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    You answer your own question
     
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  4. Max Damage Learned

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    I like the game (and its Dynahack fanmake), but I'm not good enough at the game yet to discuss it in details. There's a lot of stuff and depth, indeed.
     
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  5. Martyr Magister

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    in the past I've played Nethack for years and years. beat it a couple of times, died a billion times.
    then I stopped playing it in 2014 I think, after trying the Vulture's Eye mod (which I disliked back then). I've actually got it installed right now, with Vulture's Eye. maybe I'll be playing it again, soon. anyway, the OP is right, awesome game!
     
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    I remember this. Died all the time.
     
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  7. PorkyThePaladin Arcane

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    It's not that you die a million times, it's that every single death is different and amusingly entertaining.
     
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  8. Thal Augur

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    Nethack is a game come back to year after year. I've ascended every class, done wishless, genoless and polyless conducts. I've dabbled with SLASH'EM so as to get something new, but haven't really gotten into it yet. I think many people see roguelikes as a genre of their own instead of being crpgs, which is probably the reason why it doesn't make it to best of lists.

    Don't read spoilers if you want to keep the magic alive.
     
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  9. Swigen Arbiter

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    Yeah, I have yet to play it. I thought I was playing it on iPad but I guess it’s a knockoff called iNethack 2. Don’t know how similar it is but imma get the real PC one in light of the recent 3.6.3 update. Fucken love rogue-likes and have been meaning to see if I can’t find any Diablo mods that make Diablo even more Roguey.
     
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  10. Serus Arcane

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    Newer could get into Nethack for some reason despite liking and playing rogulikes. Maybe some day i'll give it a second chance. More threads about RLs is always welcome though.
     
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  11. Gibson Learned

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    it's in the category of "just not my thing" - no special reason or hating on them but I just don't like/play Rogue-likes.
    The same as MMORPGs, Counter Strike and a ton of other games that are simply not on my radar.

    still, wish you all to have a good time with them. :salute:
     
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  12. oldmanpaco Master of Siestas

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    Played a lot of Crawl back in the day. Nethack not so much.

    Have had vulture on my wishlist for almost 3 years now. Someday.
     
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  13. garren Arcane Patron

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    I just played adom because a few friends played that and got me into playing that too. Nobody really played nethack for some reason, and while I was aware of it, it took me years to just beat adom and I never really tried nethack at all.
     
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  14. Gord Arcane

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    I've played DCSS on and off for a couple of years, but I always lose interest after a couple of (failed) runs. Guess I just don't want to bother with properly learning these game and their systems.
     
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  15. Grampy_Bone Arcane

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    Never got into nethack, ADOM was the shizz. Though once I finally achieved a win, I lost interest in replays.

    Also really loved Gearhead, though that was more of a different thing.
     
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  17. Grampy_Bone Arcane

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    Thats the other thing, ADOM's style of drawing out the walls of hallways always looked better to me.
     
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    Is there any way to use top down tileset with Vulture?
     
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    ASCII is great, and of course better than any tileset ever could be, but otherwise Porky's post is something I can agree with 100%.

    Nethack is a great game!
     
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  20. nyjsu Educated

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    So what reasons there are to get into Nethack instead of say ADOM? I've thinked about moving on from ToME and ADOM seems like the most interesting option.
     
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  21. AdamReith Liturgist Patron

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    I enjoy roguelikes a lot but I remember watching a Nethack let's play and it seemed especially esoteric. The guy was dropping stuff in a fountain and how it splashed determined whether it was magic or not?

    Are these things you could ever figure out for yourself or is it taken for granted that you've been told by somebody or are following a guide.
     
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  22. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    No roguelike deserves a spot in the top 20 compared to real hand-made RPGs with actual level design and hand-placed encounters.
     
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  23. spectre Arcane

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    Seems like I'm part of the "dunno, I just went with ADOM and it scratched all the itches for me" crowd.
    ADOM felt logical, relatively fair (for a roguelike) and quite developed with its backstory. I admit, I never
    seriously tried getting into Nethack, but it felt much more esoteric than ADOM.

    Sorry my man, but playing a game on and off for years with minimal spoilers and still finding new stuff, hidden endings and challenges, then finally getting your first win is something to bring a grown man to tears.
    There's very few traditional RPGs , especially recent-made that can give you the same experience. You miss the Writhing Mass of Primal Chaos and the Writhing Mass of Primal Chaos misses you,
    but alas, some things were never meant to be.

    On the other hand, you could argue that being a hack-and-slash ADOM (or Nethack, but I am only familar with ADOM, so I'll stick with that one) is closer to Diablo than a proper RPG game, and I would be inclined to agree.
     
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    You do realize your "muh handmade levels and encounters!" shtick does get rather tiresome?
    I realize you won't stop, but I'm just wondering if it is your goal to appear, even within the Codex, as the grumpy old man who yells at the passing teens from behind the fence.
     
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  25. Darth Canoli Arcane

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    Finally, i can see reason ...

    And, yet, retardation is strong in this one.

    It invalid everything reasonable you might have said by accident in the past.
     
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