Official Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Preview Why You Should Sit Up and Take Notice

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by VentilatorOfDoom, Sep 3, 2010.

  1. VentilatorOfDoom RPG Codex Staff

    VentilatorOfDoom
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2009
    Messages:
    8,462
    Location:
    Deutschland
    Tags: CD Projekt; Witcher 2, The

    <p><em>High fantasy has rarely looked better</em>, IGN concludes in their <a href="http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/111/1117720p1.html" target="_blank">The Witcher 2 preview</a>.</p>
    <blockquote>
    <p><strong>Choices and Consequences that Matter</strong> <br /> Three opening scenarios multiply out to a full 16 different endings. That kind of scope is staggering, when you stop and consider the potential routes necessary to bridge you from one point to another through the game world. In fact, during our presentation, we were privy to the <em>entire</em> game schematic &ndash; a tangled mass of plot points, missions and interconnected events and scenes that looked more akin to a circuit board wireframe than anything. <br /> <br /> In practice, The Witcher 2 really does build on the first game's impressive choice/consequence backbone. Characters live and die by your decisions and entire missions become available or are never seen depending on your stance. <br /> <br /> In one example, the non-linear nature of the game allowed the developer to demonstrate two entirely different paths and radically different outcomes for the same area. Geralt, imprisoned and tortured in an underground dungeon, must escape. However, depending on whether or not you decide to play the game using stealth (and whether you were merciful to a particular character earlier on), you'll take two very different paths through the sprawling dungeon &ndash;and encounter entirely separate plot-developing side-characters and quests. With intricately written scenarios like this, we're guessing a few replays are going to be very much warranted. Roll on, 2011.</p>
    </blockquote>
    <p>C&amp;C - this time they do really matter! Promise.</p>
    <p>&nbsp;</p>
    <p>Spotted at: <a href="http://www.rpgwatch.com/#15691">RPGWatch</a></p>
     
    ^ Top  
  2. jazzotron Liturgist

    jazzotron
    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    248
    Will one be able to import a save from the first game a la Mass Effect? Instead of receiving email from minor characters you can't even remember, I imagine you could receive letters via pigeon from minor characters you can't remember:

    Dear Geralt,
    Thanks for the fuck!
    Yours sincerely,
    Wealthy Townswoman
     
    ^ Top  
  3. VentilatorOfDoom RPG Codex Staff

    VentilatorOfDoom
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2009
    Messages:
    8,462
    Location:
    Deutschland
    :lol:
     
    ^ Top  
  4. Malachi Liturgist

    Malachi
    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    Messages:
    423
    Location:
    US
    The review actually makes me ... hopeful. How reliable are the IGN reviewers, though?
     
    ^ Top  
  5. AlaCarcuss Arbiter

    AlaCarcuss
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Messages:
    1,335
    Location:
    BrizVegas, Australis Penal Colony
    Well, TW didn't need much to go from "good" to "great" and if IGN can be believed, they're certainly going in the right direction.

    Anticipation levels definately rising with each preview... though I kinda wish it wasn't. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than bitterly dissapointed.
     
    ^ Top  
  6. waywardOne Cipher

    waywardOne
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2010
    Messages:
    2,315
    i think i've read the same "Your Decisions Matter!"™ boast for every rpg the last 5 years. my anticipation remains entirely unaffected.
     
    ^ Top  
  7. bezimek Scholar

    bezimek
    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Messages:
    270
    Location:
    Poland

    :lol:
     
    ^ Top  
  8. nomask7 Arcane

    nomask7
    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2008
    Messages:
    7,620
    It will be crap, just like the first one. A crap game from crap people. I bought the first Twitcher used and then applied the enhancement. I'm so fucking glad I didn't support the idiots at CDProject.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  9. Darth Slaughter Arcane Patron

    Darth Slaughter
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    2,942
    Location:
    Brazil
    Divinity: Original Sin
    there's a video on gametrailers in which they make a presentation of the game, vomparing it with witcher 1. They have a picture of the game "choice and consequence structure", which will result in 16 endings. And by what I heard, it will have 3 different starting positions, corresponding to the 3 endings of witcher 1, but I don't know really if it will be based on the previous TW1 savegame.

    Anyway, the only thing I hate about this is how the developers feel they are making the best thing ever. The classic arrogance:

    "Our is the best RPG engine..."
    "It's better than that fucking ugly game witcher 1..."

    Oh yes, the game companies treats its sequels as if the previous game was shit.

    The video:

    http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-10 ... her/703360
     
    ^ Top  
  10. denizsi Arcane

    denizsi
    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    9,927
    Location:
    bosphorus
    Too much emphasis on railroaded C&C eg. you get dungeon-raped and break out in either case. This is sounding more like Witcher Protocol by the minute.
     
    ^ Top  
  11. Phelot Arcane

    Phelot
    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2009
    Messages:
    17,916
    So, it's an adventure game with branching paths?
     
    ^ Top  
  12. commie The Last Marxist Patron

    commie
    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,865,342
    Location:
    Where one can weep in peace
    Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Well if the schematic is to be believed it really deviates off early on and entire sections of game you will not see at all depending on your decisions. This isn't like a Bioware game where good or bad it doesn't matter until the last 20 minutes. Some of those 16 endings even end a lot earlier and follow their own distinct paths for a long time so you could finish the game early in some way just because of what you picked somewhere and never know where your decision leads until much later.

    There are also the 'two different paths yet they meet again after the mission' type of things as well of course and these are what denizsi is thinking of with railraded C & C.

    Of course, it could all end up being cut and be the same pseudo choices as in the first one(only different slides and the odd character change) apart from the big Order/Scoiatel choice towards the end.

    Still, if they dared to show this plot tree, then it must have some basis in reality. I'm hopeful anyway.
     
    • Shit Shit x 1
    ^ Top  
  13. ChristofferC Magister

    ChristofferC
    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2009
    Messages:
    3,515
    Location:
    Sweden
    I don't see why they would make long mutually exclusive branches in the game. Most people will only play the game one time. Hell, most people will never finish the game.
     
    ^ Top  
  14. commie The Last Marxist Patron

    commie
    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,865,342
    Location:
    Where one can weep in peace
    Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Well that's the thing isn't it, if they DON'T do it then the 'Dex will be enraged but general gamers will love it!

    Here we have a developer that at least is planning to make quite a revolution in C & C with lengthy, mutually exclusive branches, and who knows, maybe they won't get cold feet or the task overtakes them and they DO IT? It would certainly be something revolutionary in this day and age, and I'm sure people will replay it for this, considering that the game in any playthrough is supposed to be a bit shorter than the first one, which itself wasn't so lenthy that replaying would be tedious.

    I'd rather spend 100 hours on TWitcher 2, replaying it differently several times than spending the same amount of tme wandering through cutpasta dungeons in Oblivion the one time(as many do).
     
    • Shit Shit x 1
    ^ Top  
  15. deuxhero Arcane

    deuxhero
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2007
    Messages:
    8,972
    Location:
    Flowery Land
    No. But you will be able to import one ala wizardry/quest for glory/first few ultimas/Eye of the Beholder :). (Yes, they have confirmed TW1 saves can be imported, one of the first things revealed about TW2, though at the time they said it they hadn't decided what exactly to transfer).
     
    ^ Top  
  16. Luzur Prestigious Gentleman Good Sir

    Luzur
    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2009
    Messages:
    34,147
    Location:
    Swedish Empire
    kinda like Fallouts 200+ endings.
     
    ^ Top  
  17. commie The Last Marxist Patron

    commie
    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,865,342
    Location:
    Where one can weep in peace
    Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Well that's not quite the same is it? I mean the game was mostly the same location wise all the way through. The 'endings' were just slides telling you how you affected things here and there, and these are the equivalent of those slides in Witcher all through the game when you let Abigail go free or kill Captain Vincent. The Witcher didn't count these as 'endings' yet in Fallout they are somehow counted as such which is silly. There is only really one ending in Fallout 2 and maybe 2 in Fallout(if you count getting vatted voluntarily an 'ending').
     
    • Shit Shit x 1
    ^ Top  
  18. Flatlander Liturgist

    Flatlander
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2009
    Messages:
    242
    Location:
    Paradise Valley
    [​IMG]
     
    ^ Top  
  19. DraQ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    DraQ
    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2007
    Messages:
    32,405
    Location:
    Chrząszczyżewoszyce, powiat Łękołody
    *faps cautiously and somewhat distrustfully*
     
    ^ Top  
  20. Silellak Liturgist

    Silellak
    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2008
    Messages:
    3,198
    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
     
    ^ Top  
  21. zeitgeist Magister

    zeitgeist
    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,437
    A RPG isn't supposed to be a movie or a book. It's perfectly normal, in a decent RPG, for a player to miss even the major parts or plot points of the game. It's not supposed to be a linear narrative. However, it's much better when this happens organically during the normal course of the player roleplaying his character (supported by the game mechanics preferably, not just LARPing), than the blatantly obvious choose-your-own-adventure style of plot branching prevalent in modern RPGs that still include this as a feature.
     
    ^ Top  
  22. Derper Prophet

    Derper
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1,143
    Location:
    Aaaargh
    I think he is talking about F3 and the Bethesda hypemachine. Just saying, lurk moar and all that.
     
    ^ Top  
  23. DraQ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    DraQ
    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2007
    Messages:
    32,405
    Location:
    Chrząszczyżewoszyce, powiat Łękołody
    By this logic making the ending is equally redundant.

    :roll:


    As for TWs, what I really missed in the first game was any sort of connection between build and available branches - something that marks a true cRPG. Sure, Geralt is pretty well defined guy and it wouldn't make much sense to involve him in retard dialogue if he didn't pump his intelligence high enough, but stuff like alchemical and magical abilities being required for some branches would help the game a lot.
     
    ^ Top  
  24. Elwro Arcane

    Elwro
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    11,373
    Location:
    Krakow, Poland
    Divinity: Original Sin Wasteland 2
    I like the fact that one of your choices in Act III of TW necessarily excludes one ending. Made sense, after some decisions there's no coming back.
     
    ^ Top  
  25. Mhain Educated

    Mhain
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2010
    Messages:
    90
    Location:
    Turkey
    Man, they are doing it so that they could actually sell the game.

    I once made a basic party based RPG with TB combat that had ZX Spectrum style graphics. I advertised it as "a homage to the games of old... Something I have made in my spare time...", and noone even downloaded it. If you don't do these stuff, people who would enjoy the game often don't even download it. Honest description also makes others act from a more commanding position: Players feel the need to complain and bash your efforts, thus reducing the interest even more. Lying is a good thing when the person you are lying to will actually benefit from the lie.
     
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.