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Why'd party-based Diablo clones never become a thing?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Outmind, Jul 27, 2019.

  1. vibehunter Educated

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    Shadows Awakening is pretty much a party based Diablo style game (albeit you can only control one hero at a time so is it even a party?).
     
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  2. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Prince of Qin eh?

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    GOG needs this. Look at that peasant dance. Burn baby burn. Good shit.
     
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  3. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Main unique feature of Gauntlet IIRC was no matter how good you were you were still pumping quarters in on the regular.
     
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  4. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Wasn’t everyone maxed on D3 because Auction House?
     
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  5. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Why all the Dungeon Siege hate? You can play as iconic stars..
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  6. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Maybe you weren't good enough. To be fair, I was clearing with ease either on consoles or home computer as some fucktard busted up the Gauntlet machines in the arcade. Fucking coke bottle right through the screens. Asshole!
     
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  7. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Most advanced console at that time was Colecovision so unlikely. Could play Rolling Thunder and Bump and Jump indefinitely though Gauntlet was my fave but could never really afford it. You were basically buying the food that was needed to survive.
     
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  8. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

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    Man, he needed to hit those secret rooms. I think he got bored.
     
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  9. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    That’s some serious bullet hell there. I got pretty far on original Raiden, Xevious, and r-type but bullet hells always kind of made me sick to my stomach.
     
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  10. Assisted Living Godzilla Cipher

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    Well, I'm sure the death of PC gaming in the early 2000s had a little something to do with them never becoming a thing.

    Although it is weird nobody really seemed to pick up that Dungeon Siege mantle. I could swear that first one sold really well, pretty sure it was one of the top selling PC games of the time, so it's a bit odd nobody seemed to really pick up where they left off. Even Dungeon Siege 3 didn't for some bizarre reason.

    The only things I can really think of that seem in line with what the OP is specifically asking for have already been named. Little surprised to see X-Men Legends and Marvel Ultimate Alliance get name dropped, but not Freedom Force.
     
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  11. flushfire Augur

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    IMO the 2nd game was a move in the right direction then for some reason Obsidian made an entirely different game which as far as I know nobody asked for. Probably killed any interest left for the series at that point.
     
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  12. Outmind Augur

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    What game? What sequel?

    There is no Dungeon Siege 3...

    The dungeon Siege franchise died with 2, never to be heard from or seen again. There was some regressive bit of dog vomit they tacked the label onto, but the real DS3 was never made.
     
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  13. baud Arcane Patron

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    I wouldn't call Freedom Force a diablo clone. Perhaps you had a different experience, but when I played, I rarely played real-time, but rather pausing giving order to all team members, who don't have any IA of their own
     
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  14. Assisted Living Godzilla Cipher

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    I wouldn't call it a Diablo clone either, but it's more along the lines of what the OP was talking about than those Marvel games.
     
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  15. DraQ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    @OP

    Because some genre/mechanics combinations are objectively terrible.
     
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  16. Assisted Living Godzilla Cipher

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    But that doesn't explain how there hasn't been more of what the OP is talking about.
     
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  17. Mr. Magniloquent Arcane Patron

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    The gameplay for Dungeon Siege 1 & 2 is a bit strange. They have more in common with tower defense game than an RPG.

    Each character has a shallow primary ability mostly auto-attacks against waves of enemies. You have the ability to direct them, but it's not much different than arranging your tower. The abilities and characters had so little depth and the spells were so simplistic that there wasn't much to do other than concentrate fire or rotate out tank/heal. Most were just entirely generic and just a higher number variant of the previous spell. I think the expansion improved and introduced more involved spells/abilities, but I never played it. Dungeon Siege 2 had a tighter focus with the smaller party, more robust itemization, and a much improved spell/skill list. While being a superior game in every way, it was fundamentally the same quasi-tower defense experience. I did have fun with DS2. I think I completed it twice. Idleness of youth.

    Regardless, the mechanics for party-based diablo clones are caught at the nexus of too many different genres and ends up being the least of each of them, rather than the sum.
     
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  18. PorkyThePaladin Arcane

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    Aren't Icewind Dale 1/2 and Temple of Elemental Evil basically Diablo clones with a party?
     
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  19. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

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    Beyond Divinity also had a party of 2, but I think it had a much colder reception than its ancestor, Divine Divinity, despite having a less retarded title.

    Spellforce was also a good exemple indeed. The non army parts did play relatively well, but the characters had a limited set of abilities to make it manageable.
     
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  20. laclongquan Arcane

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    Prince of Qin was too old and made by Chinese so access to their codes is impossible. NO mod at all~
     
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