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Will PoE be shit?

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Shannow, Sep 26, 2014.

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Will PoE be shit?

  1. It will be a great game.

    13.1%
  2. It will be a good game.

    16.0%
  3. It'll be ok.

    9.1%
  4. It might be a good game but, but it won't be a good IE successor.

    5.1%
  5. This was shit from the start. IE games and RTwP need to die in a fire.

    6.4%
  6. It could have been good, but J.E. Sawyer happened.

    16.9%
  7. Too early to judge. But I still have hope.

    12.0%
  8. Too early to judge. It'll probably be shit though.

    4.4%
  9. It'll be shit.

    7.1%
  10. Other.

    0.4%
  11. Stop these stupid polls and kill yourself, Shannow (kingcomrade)

    9.3%
  1. Athelas Arcane

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    Well, it's certainly not considered great for the writing (though apparently people think highly of the writing for some reason).

    Baldur's Gate 2 has good combat. You can have good combat even with a bad character system.
     
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  2. Shevek Arcane

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    Good combat? Ya, kinda. Great though? BG2 was a game that did many things well. But to say it was "great because of its combat" is a bit silly.
     
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  3. Athelas Arcane

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    Well, I should have said 'good to great'. You can be the judge of it for yourself.
     
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  4. Shevek Arcane

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    Still not "great BECAUSE OF its combat."
     
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  5. Athelas Arcane

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  6. Shevek Arcane

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    Lol
     
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  7. Rostere Arcane Patron

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    Well, I guess this is a question of standards...
     
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  8. Johannes Arcane

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    BG2 is absolutely one of the best RPG's combat wise. Encounter design is top notch and the spells and abilities are interesting. If it had bad combat it'd be a mediocre game like the rest of IE.
     
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  9. Dwemer Puzzle Box Arcane

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    Fixed.
     
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  10. Seari Cipher Patron

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    Yeah the unbalanced item upgrades mod surely makes the combat better.
     
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  11. Invictus Arcane The Real Fanboy

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    Combat system is BG2 is...ok
    Encounter design is pretty Damn good
    If PoE even gets one of those right it will be a good game: seems the story, setting, companions, music and graphics are pretty good and balanced
     
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  12. Western Arcane

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    Combat in BG2 isn't even my favourite out of the Infinity engine games, for me that would be Icewind Dale 2.
     
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  13. Rake Arcane

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    Then you will love PoE
     
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  14. Western Arcane

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    I've played the beta, combat is meh and a bit clusterfucky for my taste but I was never expecting much out of the combat. I don't think Icewind Dale 2s combat was great I just thought it was better than BG2. More challenging, I also prefer 3rd edition mechanics over 2nd, even if the implementation was half arsed, BG2 is still the better game overall.
     
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  15. ~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-AIN'T Arcane Patron

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    That doesn't really make sense. You can't have garbage systems and still have combat and magic "rock". It might be fair to say the systems were mediocre, and the range of abilities and equipment, as well as, of course, the encounter design, made the best out of those not-great systems. You can't make the best out of a truly garbage system though. For example, take BG2's abilities and encounter design, put them into Arcanum, and you still have a game with shit combat, because nothing is going to be able to redeem that system. BG2's system was good enough that something very fun could be made out of it.
     
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  16. Sensuki Arcane Cuck

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    The only reason I still play BG2 is because of it's combat and encounters.
     
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  17. Lhynn Arcane

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    Dont lie faggot, i know you want a piece of anomen.

    Show Spoiler
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    Hes watching you.
     
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  18. Kem0sabe Arcane

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    [QUOTE="Rake, post: 3697918, member: 15744"BG2 was a great game because of it's combat and magic system.[/QUOTE]

    Really? I thought it was because of romances.
     
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  19. Ellef Deplorable

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    What the hell kind of Anomen is that?
     
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  20. Ellef Deplorable

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    How is that silly? It's what it does best. I'd like to know your criticisms of it.
     
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  21. Athelas Arcane

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    I guess we'll know if PoE is a success once the fan-made romance mods start appearing.
     
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  22. Shevek Arcane

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    Well, lots of games have very good combat. I would argue plenty have better combat than BG2. If it were so great, then SCS, etc mods wouldnt be so popular.

    BG2 is "total package." It has a well realized high fantasy setting (not alot of stat checks or c&c but plenty of quests and colorful characters). More importantly, it has a fulfilling quasi open world design in the beginning with a flawed combat SYSTEM (poor character development/stat system, monty haul itemization, rest abuse, too many hard counters, etc) and well made combat ENCOUNTERS. So, its fun to replay the beginning and face roll crap every now and again.

    I would argue BG2 is memorable because it does many things well as opposed to one thing (combat) very well.

    In other words, if it were great BECAUSE of combat, it would be alot less popular than games that had superior combat systems and encounter design.
     
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  23. Johannes Arcane

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    Very few RPGs have notably good combat actually. What are these lots of games you're thinking about?
     
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  24. Sensuki Arcane Cuck

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    +1

    ESPECIALLY RTWP RPGs.

    I think Shevek's opinion there might be skewed because of the existence of exploits, some wonky balancing and the fact that you can rest spam. You can easily make the game not very fun to play by cheesing the shit out of it. If you don't do it then there's no problem.
     
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  25. Shevek Arcane

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    Plenty of TB games have better combat overall (ToEE, Wiz8, etc). If you include TB games with RPG systems (JA2, etc), the list gets longer of games with better combat with BG2. If you limit yourself to RTwP, that significantly shortens the list since modern games (NWN1/2, DA, etc) all have less satisfying combat (for various reasons: camera angle, console centered design, etc). Still, I would argue other IE games actually have more numerous and better combat encounters (both IWD:HoW and IWD2). IWD2 also has moderately better combat systems as well.
     
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