Game News Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord remake now available on Early Access

[Jack Of Owls]

I might buy it in a humble bundle for a buck or something a few years down the line when it's out of EA. But I dunno. I really liked the Bard's Tale remasters so I know I'm at least capable of enjoying these ancient blobbers, providing they have a nice new coat of paint, just not too new so that it looks like it was drawn by a bunch of
weeaboo artists whose main hobby is drawing anime she-furries.

 

[negator2vc]

29€ for a remake of Wizardry 1?!!!? Seriously!!!??
The old ports like the one for SNES are more than fine for this type of game.
Do this style of game is of interest to anyone beside people that played the original version?

If they wanted to do a remake why not do Wizardry 6 or 7?
That were actually more complete games and could use the modern upgrade.

 

[Grauken]

I really hope nobody gets to remake W6 or W7 or we end up with another Wizardry Gold or even worse the Play Station remake

 

[negator2vc]

I really hope nobody gets to remake W6 or W7 or we end up with another Wizardry Gold or even worse the Play Station remake

I was talking from the "company" perspective.

As a gamer and fan of the W6-W7 I agree. The only remakes I trust are those made by fans only.
Usually remaking just the game engine with a few UI improvements and maybe some walking dead fixes.

 

[Darkozric]

29€ for a remake of Wizardry 1?!!!? Seriously!!!??

I heard that your prime minister hands out passes, ask him for a game pass.

 

[negator2vc]

29€ for a remake of Wizardry 1?!!!? Seriously!!!??

I heard that your prime minister hands out passes, ask him for a game pass.

I won't be surprised if there will be one.
After all he is trying so hard to make the youth love him

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Well, you could play on android or some app to play android on pc for this game instead:

It is free more or less.

Or

Free but ads pay 492 JPY?? To get rid of them. WTF is JPY?

492 Japanese Yen equals
3.33 United States Dollar

Ok, still cheaper than $30+(be 49.99-79.99$ when done maybe yah?

Uh… what?

Good lord the anime…

 

[Lady Error]

As a gamer and fan of the W6-W7 I agree. The only remakes I trust are those made by fans only.
Usually remaking just the game engine with a few UI improvements and maybe some walking dead fixes.

The remakes of Wizardry 6/7 are called Grimoire and Mystic Lands (release next year).

 

[Brozef]

Should I get this one or Five Ordeals?

Five Ordeals is great value, especially with all the free campaigns available.

I even liked Labyrinth of Lost Souls. Even though that one is definitely a more casual experience (you keep stats after class changes). Also more anime.

Grimoire and Elminage are obviously the best around and can be had for about a dollar

 

[Jaesun]

For me, I just can't stand the anime art, this at least provides an alternative without the terrible weeboo/anime crap. I actually own and tried to play Elminage but the anime crap just turned me off from the game.

 

[Grauken]

For me, I just can't stand the anime art, this at least provides an alternative without the terrible weeboo/anime crap. I actually own and tried to play Elminage but the anime crap just turned me off from the game.

Elminage has a western artstyle though

 

[Darth Canoli]

Never heard of this project nor of the studio but based on the trailer and the description this looks pretty good.

That the party walks super fast is a good example of the things which make me think they know what they're doing.

If they add something to skip animation altogether or if everything is fast enough, I might even buy and play it...

Let's wait and see, graphics aren't particularly good but it's better than the green monochromatic atrocity of the original.

 

[Jaesun]

For me, I just can't stand the anime art, this at least provides an alternative without the terrible weeboo/anime crap. I actually own and tried to play Elminage but the anime crap just turned me off from the game.

Elminage has a western artstyle though

Sorry but I just can't get into that kind of art for dungeon crawlers. Instant boner killer...

 

[Grauken]

For me, I just can't stand the anime art, this at least provides an alternative without the terrible weeboo/anime crap. I actually own and tried to play Elminage but the anime crap just turned me off from the game.

Elminage has a western artstyle though

Sorry but I just can't get into that kind of art for dungeon crawlers. Instant boner killer...

Well, these are clearly custom avatars someone loaded into the game, not something genuinely found in the game. So I gather you didn't even really play the game.

 

[Sacibengala]

Should I get this one or Five Ordeals?

Five Ordeals is great value, especially with all the free campaigns available.

I even liked Labyrinth of Lost Souls. Even though that one is definitely a more casual experience (you keep stats after class changes). Also more anime.

Grimoire and Elminage are obviously the best around and can be had for about a dollar

Yeah, I bought it and I'm having a blast with it. Pure Wiz 1 with quality of life improvement to the UI and widescreen support. Love the artwork of the monsters as well. Aside from some bad translations here and there, there's nothing in this game that looks a bad anime port. even the basic portraits looks good.

 

[Jaesun]

For me, I just can't stand the anime art, this at least provides an alternative without the terrible weeboo/anime crap. I actually own and tried to play Elminage but the anime crap just turned me off from the game.

Elminage has a western artstyle though

Sorry but I just can't get into that kind of art for dungeon crawlers. Instant boner killer...

Well, these are clearly custom avatars someone loaded into the game, not something genuinely found in the game. So I gather you didn't even really play the game.

Admittedly I went through the games community section as I could not remember what it was art wise I just did not like. Here is the actual images from the games store page:

This is just too cartoony anime for me. It's too much of a turn-off for me.

 

[Grauken]

This is just too cartoony anime for me. It's too much of a turn-off for me.

now you're just reaching, there's nothing anime about this, it is Western art through and through, even if some monsters are from Japanese folklore

Might and Magic 3-5 have more cartoony monsters and in general have a less serious art style than Elminage Gothic but nobody would call it anime

 

[mondblut]

Admittedly I went through the games community section as I could not remember what it was art wise I just did not like. Here is the actual images from the games store page:

This is just too cartoony anime for me. It's too much of a turn-off for me.

That's not too terrible. About as "anime" as Romance of 3 kingdoms. I haven't played Elminage, but Wizardry Empire (same devs and engine) was ok if you need that 1982 fix and want to spare your eyes an embarassment.

HP bloat on the bottom screen is absolutely disgusting tho'.

 

[Jack Of Owls]

It does kind kind of look anime because aside from the blonde girl in green they look like children - both the heroes and the monsters. Hard pass after all. Wouldn't touch this shit with your pole.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Oh yeah she wants you.

Bad Mr Frosty returns.

Here is the actual images from the games store page:

Reminds me of Phantasy Star III tbh.

Don’t forget to fight Sari and her sex toy collection. That’s a lot of Hitachi product.

 

[Sacibengala]

It does kind kind of look anime

they do look like children but not animelike at all. But it still looks better than this remake, though. I hate this arstyle and I still can't say why. It really does look cheap and mobile-like

 

[Zeriel]

Just so you know I currently am playing through the DOS version on 300 cycles (via DOSBox Staging so thank you for that) just to prove you wrong (or right - dunno yet.) But it's still fucking Wizardry so I'm grinding up my guys on floor 1 currently. Will report back later.

Thanks for that I don't want to be right or wrong, I don't care; I just wanna know the answer. I'd be a bit sad if the DOS version was screwed, but it is what it is.

It's legit kinda hard to tell since it's Wizardry but so far the levelling does seem a bit bullshit compared to the Apple II version

The biggest thing I've noticed though is that hit-point increases are pitiful most of the time. It seems like I'm getting increases of 1 way more often than I'm supposed to. Will report back later

EDIT: I made a backup and here's the same guy getting levelled up. Seems a bit off to me still, but again look at the hit point increase. It's rubbish. And that's a fighter too:

I'll see if raising the cycles does anything next

FURTHER EDIT:
Here's the same guy (that's Kyle, the 2nd Fighter) getting levelled up again only this time at 3000 cycles:

Doesn't seem to have made any difference. And keep in mind I'm reloading a backup. That's Kyle going from level 3-4 each time.

Conclusion: Seems a bit off. Fuck, I'm probably going to have to start up the Apple II version to compare. Wizardry's great but man, the early, EARLY game grinding really kinda blows.

I think the original explanation that it's just random 50% chance to gain, 45% chance to lose makes the most sense, and speed has nothing to do with it. Humans are pattern seeking machines, so we'll try to find patterns in RNG, especially when it's a coinflip this bias is too strong, there is no sense to be made there, it's just chance.

...Although, that being said, it's kind of weird that you're always losing like 3 stats and only gaining 1-2.

 

[Rincewind]

Just so you know I currently am playing through the DOS version on 300 cycles (via DOSBox Staging so thank you for that) just to prove you wrong (or right - dunno yet.) But it's still fucking Wizardry so I'm grinding up my guys on floor 1 currently. Will report back later.

Thanks for that I don't want to be right or wrong, I don't care; I just wanna know the answer. I'd be a bit sad if the DOS version was screwed, but it is what it is.

It's legit kinda hard to tell since it's Wizardry but so far the levelling does seem a bit bullshit compared to the Apple II version

The biggest thing I've noticed though is that hit-point increases are pitiful most of the time. It seems like I'm getting increases of 1 way more often than I'm supposed to. Will report back later

EDIT: I made a backup and here's the same guy getting levelled up. Seems a bit off to me still, but again look at the hit point increase. It's rubbish. And that's a fighter too:

I'll see if raising the cycles does anything next

FURTHER EDIT:
Here's the same guy (that's Kyle, the 2nd Fighter) getting levelled up again only this time at 3000 cycles:

Doesn't seem to have made any difference. And keep in mind I'm reloading a backup. That's Kyle going from level 3-4 each time.

Conclusion: Seems a bit off. Fuck, I'm probably going to have to start up the Apple II version to compare. Wizardry's great but man, the early, EARLY game grinding really kinda blows.

I think the original explanation that it's just random 50% chance to gain, 45% chance to lose makes the most sense, and speed has nothing to do with it. Humans are pattern seeking machines, so we'll try to find patterns in RNG, especially when it's a coinflip this bias is too strong, there is no sense to be made there, it's just chance.

...Although, that being said, it's kind of weird that you're always losing like 3 stats and only gaining 1-2.

Yeah, a sample size of 5, 10, or even 20 doesn't mean too much. We'd need data for at least 50 level ups to draw a definitive conclusion. There's also the question of distribution and variance.

 

[Casual Hero]

Just so you know I currently am playing through the DOS version on 300 cycles (via DOSBox Staging so thank you for that) just to prove you wrong (or right - dunno yet.) But it's still fucking Wizardry so I'm grinding up my guys on floor 1 currently. Will report back later.

Thanks for that I don't want to be right or wrong, I don't care; I just wanna know the answer. I'd be a bit sad if the DOS version was screwed, but it is what it is.

It's legit kinda hard to tell since it's Wizardry but so far the levelling does seem a bit bullshit compared to the Apple II version

The biggest thing I've noticed though is that hit-point increases are pitiful most of the time. It seems like I'm getting increases of 1 way more often than I'm supposed to. Will report back later

EDIT: I made a backup and here's the same guy getting levelled up. Seems a bit off to me still, but again look at the hit point increase. It's rubbish. And that's a fighter too:

I'll see if raising the cycles does anything next

FURTHER EDIT:
Here's the same guy (that's Kyle, the 2nd Fighter) getting levelled up again only this time at 3000 cycles:

Doesn't seem to have made any difference. And keep in mind I'm reloading a backup. That's Kyle going from level 3-4 each time.

Conclusion: Seems a bit off. Fuck, I'm probably going to have to start up the Apple II version to compare. Wizardry's great but man, the early, EARLY game grinding really kinda blows.

I think the original explanation that it's just random 50% chance to gain, 45% chance to lose makes the most sense, and speed has nothing to do with it. Humans are pattern seeking machines, so we'll try to find patterns in RNG, especially when it's a coinflip this bias is too strong, there is no sense to be made there, it's just chance.

...Although, that being said, it's kind of weird that you're always losing like 3 stats and only gaining 1-2.

-First, there is a 75% chance your attribute will be modified.
-Then, if your age is lower than a random roll up to 130 (that is 0 to 129), then if your attribute is 18 you have an 83.3% chance nothing will happen, if your attribute is less than 18 then you lose 1 attribute point, if your Vitality drops to 2, you are dead.
-If your age is higher than the random roll mentioned in the previous line, then you gain 1 attribute point up to 18 maximum.

This is from the code from the original game that Snafaru went through.

 

[Zeriel]

Just so you know I currently am playing through the DOS version on 300 cycles (via DOSBox Staging so thank you for that) just to prove you wrong (or right - dunno yet.) But it's still fucking Wizardry so I'm grinding up my guys on floor 1 currently. Will report back later.

Thanks for that I don't want to be right or wrong, I don't care; I just wanna know the answer. I'd be a bit sad if the DOS version was screwed, but it is what it is.

It's legit kinda hard to tell since it's Wizardry but so far the levelling does seem a bit bullshit compared to the Apple II version

The biggest thing I've noticed though is that hit-point increases are pitiful most of the time. It seems like I'm getting increases of 1 way more often than I'm supposed to. Will report back later

EDIT: I made a backup and here's the same guy getting levelled up. Seems a bit off to me still, but again look at the hit point increase. It's rubbish. And that's a fighter too:

I'll see if raising the cycles does anything next

FURTHER EDIT:
Here's the same guy (that's Kyle, the 2nd Fighter) getting levelled up again only this time at 3000 cycles:

Doesn't seem to have made any difference. And keep in mind I'm reloading a backup. That's Kyle going from level 3-4 each time.

Conclusion: Seems a bit off. Fuck, I'm probably going to have to start up the Apple II version to compare. Wizardry's great but man, the early, EARLY game grinding really kinda blows.

I think the original explanation that it's just random 50% chance to gain, 45% chance to lose makes the most sense, and speed has nothing to do with it. Humans are pattern seeking machines, so we'll try to find patterns in RNG, especially when it's a coinflip this bias is too strong, there is no sense to be made there, it's just chance.

...Although, that being said, it's kind of weird that you're always losing like 3 stats and only gaining 1-2.

-First, there is a 75% chance your attribute will be modified.
-Then, if your age is lower than a random roll up to 130 (that is 0 to 129), then if your attribute is 18 you have an 83.3% chance nothing will happen, if your attribute is less than 18 then you lose 1 attribute point, if your Vitality drops to 2, you are dead.
-If your age is higher than the random roll mentioned in the previous line, then you gain 1 attribute point up to 18 maximum.

This is from the code from the original game that Snafaru went through.

That makes sense. So if you minmax attributes your only real option is to lose stats.