World of Whorecraft: Battle for Asseroth

[Caim]

Just hire the nostalrius crew and give us classic servers :3

Seems like the best idea, but they're not going to do that just yet. Doing so would be admitting that everything from BC onwards is shit, which would cause several heads to roll in the upper ranks of Blizzard. And since these people want to stay in their cozy jobs until the subscription numbers fall so sharply they absolutely HAVE to do this to survive, we won't see this for just a while.

And I might be slow with this, but it seems to me that having Death Knights unlockable at level 55 is a bit odd. You go through the content of the Scarlet Enclave all the way up to the battle of Light's Hope, meet your faction leader and you're level 57-58. This means that you have to trod your way through 10 levels of Burning Crusade leveling until you reach level 68 and can finally start with the Wrath of the Lich King content. You get the big speech after the battle of Light's Hope on how you and the Argent Crusade are coming after Arthas' ass... right after you're done getting almost a dozen levels to actually be able to quest and level in Northrend. That's just silly, wouldn't it have been a lot better if you could start doing the Wrath of the Lich King stuff the moment you're done with your starting area?

 

[Angthoron]

Hey man, I'm all for logic and everything, but have you actually ever played with a random DK in your party in LFG? Would you really want those people the be even more clueless?

 

[Caim]

Hey man, I'm all for logic and everything, but have you actually ever played with a random DK in your party in LFG? Would you really want those people the be even more clueless?

Fair enough. The upside of playing a class where you get your abilities one by one is so that you can get to know them and when to use them.

Death Knights meanwhile start with about a dozen or so abilities at level 58, and gain 3-4 of them approaching level 70, so you're still in the stage where you need to figure shit out when you can already go LFG.

Man, LFG with Demon Hunters is gonna be so much fun.

 

[Angthoron]

Hey man, I'm all for logic and everything, but have you actually ever played with a random DK in your party in LFG? Would you really want those people the be even more clueless?

Fair enough. The upside of playing a class where you get your abilities one by one is so that you can get to know them and when to use them.

Death Knights meanwhile start with about a dozen or so abilities at level 58, and gain 3-4 of them approaching level 70, so you're still in the stage where you need to figure shit out when you can already go LFG.

Man, LFG with Demon Hunters is gonna be so much fun.

Heh, I've been playing Legion alpha a few months ago, and it's really going to be fun with LFG/LFR DH muppets, DKs and rogues have nothing on 'em. DHs seem to be fairly complex, plus the mechanics are more and more involved, so... Yeah, prepare for a flood of unwanted DPS.

 

[Caim]

Well, luckily I don't play LFG and instead go with my guild so I can at least yell at the people who suck at dungeons.

 

[zeitgeist]

We are excited to discuss further with @Blizzard_Ent about wow legacy servers! @mikemorhaime heard us!

http://twitter.com/NostalBegins/status/724896445766193152

I just noticed this, it would appear that the Nostalrius team used the entire community to get leverage in some kind of negotiations that will result in (some of) them either being hired in some capacity or getting something else from Blizzard.

 

[Don Peste]

No, no, they will get us our free vanilla servers.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Lol.

We wanted to let you know that we’ve been closely following the Nostalrius discussion and we appreciate your constructive thoughts and suggestions.

Our silence on this subject definitely doesn’t reflect our level of engagement and passion around this topic. We hear you. Many of us across Blizzard and the WoW Dev team have been passionate players ever since classic WoW. In fact, I personally work at Blizzard because of my love for classic WoW.

We have been discussing classic servers for years - it’s a topic every BlizzCon - and especially over the past few weeks. From active internal team discussions to after-hours meetings with leadership, this subject has been highly debated. Some of our current thoughts:

Why not just let Nostalrius continue the way it was? The honest answer is, failure to protect against intellectual property infringement would damage Blizzard’s rights. This applies to anything that uses WoW’s IP, including unofficial servers. And while we’ve looked into the possibility – there is not a clear legal path to protect Blizzard’s IP and grant an operating license to a pirate server.

We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty. If we could push a button and all of this would be created, we would. However, there are tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, not to mention the ongoing support of multiple live versions for every aspect of WoW.

So what can we do to capture that nostalgia of when WoW first launched? Over the years we have talked about a “pristine realm”. In essence that would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder. We aren’t sure whether this version of a clean slate is something that would appeal to the community and it’s still an open topic of discussion.

One other note - we’ve recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius. They obviously care deeply about the game, and we look forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks.

You, the Blizzard community, are the most dedicated, passionate players out there. We thank you for your constructive thoughts and suggestions. We are listening.

J. Allen Brack

I just noticed this, it would appear

What? It would appear nothing. Nothing in the text indicates what you came up with, lol.. THERE WILL BE MORE CONVERSATION = there will be more blah blah fucking blah. They just wrote it for gullible people like yourself to appease the anger in the community.

And what they might do is "pristine servers", which is total shit, and not what people want. Although it appears that some people would eat shit and so the community is already divided. Nice job, blizz, divide and conquer.

 

[zeitgeist]

What? It would appear nothing. Nothing in the text indicates what you came up with, lol.. THERE WILL BE MORE CONVERSATION = there will be more blah blah fucking blah. They just wrote it for gullible people like yourself to appease the anger in the community.

I'm afraid you've vastly overestimated my optimism, what I was getting at was more along the lines of a "what personal benefits can we sell the Nostalrius playerbase for" sort of negotiations, which I'm curious about the details of.

Although it appears that some people would eat shit and so the community is already divided. Nice job, blizz, divide and conquer.

Does it? I haven't seen a lot of people fall for it, outside of the Blizzard forum that is, and you know how that's being run.

 

[Metro]

They aren't going to do shit because Nostralius and 't3h community' have no leverage. It's even more funny that the Nost people think they're going to get jobs or something out of this when there are probably people already working at Blizzard more capable of running legacy servers. Also, the word 'negotiations' was never used. Just 'conversations' which means absolutely nothing.

This is large company PR in a nutshell -- when people get agitated over something you put out a hollow statement to quell their rage. In six or so months time all the momentum is drained and maybe a third or less of the people are still up in arms about it. And the kicker is most of these people aren't even paying Blizzard customers just potential customers. So there's even less of an incentive to do something.

In over ten years the one time I've seen Blizzard cave to public outrage was with the moronic decision to force people to post under their REAL NAMES on forums. I'd wager hundreds of thousands if not millions started cancelling their accounts over that never mind all the Blizzard employees who got 'dox attacked.'

 

[zeitgeist]

They aren't going to do shit because Nostralius and 't3h community' have no leverage. It's even more funny that the Nost people think they're going to get jobs or something out of this

And that, combined with how much the Nostalrius developers have insisted on the whole community involvement, is the reason for my curiosity. If these GM forum leaks are to be believed, they were blindsided by the C&D and have discussed their possible response to it among themselves, but sadly that's the last "insider" info I've seen.

 

[Lyric Suite]

In over ten years the one time I've seen Blizzard cave to public outrage was with the moronic decision to force people to post under their REAL NAMES on forums. I'd wager hundreds of thousands if not millions started cancelling their accounts over that never mind all the Blizzard employees who got 'dox attacked.'

Wonder which of the SJWs currently working for them came out of with that idea.

 

[GarfunkeL]

In over ten years the one time I've seen Blizzard cave to public outrage was with the moronic decision to force people to post under their REAL NAMES on forums. I'd wager hundreds of thousands if not millions started cancelling their accounts over that never mind all the Blizzard employees who got 'dox attacked.'

Except they just changed the victory pose of some Overwatch character because of public cry regarding her butt or something like that.

 

[Caim]

In over ten years the one time I've seen Blizzard cave to public outrage was with the moronic decision to force people to post under their REAL NAMES on forums. I'd wager hundreds of thousands if not millions started cancelling their accounts over that never mind all the Blizzard employees who got 'dox attacked.'

Except they just changed the victory pose of some Overwatch character because of public cry regarding her butt or something like that.

And this is how they changed it:

She's now showing off even more.

 

[Lyric Suite]

In over ten years the one time I've seen Blizzard cave to public outrage was with the moronic decision to force people to post under their REAL NAMES on forums. I'd wager hundreds of thousands if not millions started cancelling their accounts over that never mind all the Blizzard employees who got 'dox attacked.'

Except they just changed the victory pose of some Overwatch character because of public cry regarding her butt or something like that.

Because they wanted to virtue signal, not because they felt any particular "pressure".

 

[Veelq]

I don’t know where he’s getting his advice from, but from a legal perspective he’s dead wrong. Let’s say, ‘He thinks he knows license agreements, but he doesn’t.

http://www.pcinvasion.com/kern-blizzards-world-of-warcraft-brack

 

[Metro]

I don’t know where he’s getting his advice from, but from a legal perspective he’s dead wrong. Let’s say, ‘He thinks he knows license agreements, but he doesn’t.

http://www.pcinvasion.com/kern-blizzards-world-of-warcraft-brack

Kern doesn't know anything. What is he even doing today? He's obviously trying to angle for some job with Blizzard again. The notion that Blizzard would license their stuff to some shitty third party of 420's weed heads and/or neckbeards is laughable. This is a fucking mega corporation we're talking about. One that has gotten infinitely larger since Kern left the building.

And that, combined with how much the Nostalrius developers have insisted on the whole community involvement, is the reason for my curiosity. If these GM forum leaks are to be believed, they were blindsided by the C&D and have discussed their possible response to it among themselves, but sadly that's the last "insider" info I've seen.

Well, I'm not going to read that tiny text on a YouTube video but I don't see how it's of much relevance. They have no response. Certainly not a legal one.

 

[Veelq]

I don’t know where he’s getting his advice from, but from a legal perspective he’s dead wrong. Let’s say, ‘He thinks he knows license agreements, but he doesn’t.

http://www.pcinvasion.com/kern-blizzards-world-of-warcraft-brack

Kern doesn't know anything. What is he even doing today? He's obviously trying to angle for some job with Blizzard again. The notion that Blizzard would license their stuff to some shitty third party of 420's weed heads and/or neckbeards is laughable. This is a fucking mega corporation we're talking about. One that has gotten infinitely larger since Kern left the building.

Mega corporation that sees tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, yeah ... at least Kern fights the good fight.

 

[Metro]

I don’t know where he’s getting his advice from, but from a legal perspective he’s dead wrong. Let’s say, ‘He thinks he knows license agreements, but he doesn’t.

http://www.pcinvasion.com/kern-blizzards-world-of-warcraft-brack

Kern doesn't know anything. What is he even doing today? He's obviously trying to angle for some job with Blizzard again. The notion that Blizzard would license their stuff to some shitty third party of 420's weed heads and/or neckbeards is laughable. This is a fucking mega corporation we're talking about. One that has gotten infinitely larger since Kern left the building.

Mega corporation that sees tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, yeah ... at least Kern fights the good fight.

Get serious... the 'good fight?' Kern is angling for something here be it a job or some other way to enrich himself.

 

[GarfunkeL]

I don’t know where he’s getting his advice from, but from a legal perspective he’s dead wrong. Let’s say, ‘He thinks he knows license agreements, but he doesn’t.

http://www.pcinvasion.com/kern-blizzards-world-of-warcraft-brack

Kern doesn't know anything. What is he even doing today? He's obviously trying to angle for some job with Blizzard again. The notion that Blizzard would license their stuff to some shitty third party of 420's weed heads and/or neckbeards is laughable. This is a fucking mega corporation we're talking about. One that has gotten infinitely larger since Kern left the building.

He has repeatedly tweeted that he is happily retired from the gaming industry and his only "angle" is that he would like to play vanilla WoW again, this time with his wife. And again, both Runescape and Everquest managed to put out legacy servers, one through licensing and the other through their own dev team.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

both Runescape and Everquest managed to put out legacy servers

LA2 did it too.

Everyone can do it. But Blizz are too corrupted and rotten.

 

[Zetor]

Runescape / Everquest / etc put up legacy servers (and SWG allowed emulators to open with basically developer sanction) because their product is essentially in maintenance mode otherwise. If there's one thing that characterizes Blizz, it's pride -- they'd never admit their beautiful WOW is actually performing terribly.

That said: Mark Kern? As in Mark 'Firefall Bus Safeword' Kern? lol. I mean, it's cool to have an ex-WOW dude to champion the cause, but couldn't they have found someone a bit less... cringeworthy? I'm sure there are hundreds of ex-WOW devs (team leads, even) who'd be willing to Fight The Good Fight at this point.


e: like... Ghostcrawler! Man, the resulting butthurt would be off the scale.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Difference is that Kaplan still works for Blizz and Ghostcrawler works for Riot. Only Kern is retired from the business.

 

[Metro]

I don’t know where he’s getting his advice from, but from a legal perspective he’s dead wrong. Let’s say, ‘He thinks he knows license agreements, but he doesn’t.

http://www.pcinvasion.com/kern-blizzards-world-of-warcraft-brack

Kern doesn't know anything. What is he even doing today? He's obviously trying to angle for some job with Blizzard again. The notion that Blizzard would license their stuff to some shitty third party of 420's weed heads and/or neckbeards is laughable. This is a fucking mega corporation we're talking about. One that has gotten infinitely larger since Kern left the building.

He has repeatedly tweeted that he is happily retired from the gaming industry and his only "angle" is that he would like to play vanilla WoW again, this time with his wife. And again, both Runescape and Everquest managed to put out legacy servers, one through licensing and the other through their own dev team.

Michael Jordan 'retired' once, too. A weasel like Kern always sniffs out the money.

 

[Havoc]