Your opinion on some missing mechanic (class and stats) in cyberpunk 2077

[odrzut]

Empathy will be toxicity from the Witcher.

 

[ZeniBot]

Hey I mean I knew Pondsmith was lying, the guys untrustworthy, remember that kickstarter he did.
I would take anything Pondsmith says as pure bullshit at this point even about the PnP.

 

[frajaq]

Hey I mean I knew Pondsmith was lying, the guys untrustworthy, remember that kickstarter he did.

no?

 

[Reapa]

I dont want to kill your hype guys, but there are some major issue in role playing aspect other than voiced protagonist.
As the title said, apprantly cyberpunk 2077 will have less stats than what we get in CP2020 PnP RPG. There will be no Attractiveness, Body type, Movement Allowance, Luck, and hell even no Empathy stat! You know why especially the last stat is important, its basically deal with the core issue of the setting that is cyberpsychosis. It also deal with persuasive based skill, in essence its a version of charisma stat.

Move to the class, apparantly you could only play or gain three skill from each class (solo, netrunner, techie). Again i dont understand if we get a RPG with total customization of character and background yet why they scrap the other class. Especially with voiced protagonist, i have suspicion that character customization and roleplaying in this game will not be that open.

what hype?

 

[ZeniBot]

Hey I mean I knew Pondsmith was lying, the guys untrustworthy, remember that kickstarter he did.

no?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1888572386/mekton-zero

If you read the comments Pondsmith just ran off with the money to go work with CDProjekt.
Lots of really annoyed people. This alone is why you probably shouldn't beleive anything he says.
Pondsmith confirmed massive liar. Don't trust him.

 

[typical user]

In Vampire the Masquarade: Bloodlines we couldn't play as Sabbath or neutral or even betray Camarilla until the very end. I don't see how you could make a game with ability to play as Corporate, Media, Netrunner and combat oriented classes and not have it as text-based choose your advanture kind game.

There are main stats that were shuffled around because we all know how no-brainer Speech was in Fallout or any other game that allowed manipulation. The Solo/Techie/Netrunner class system is made so players can define how they can approach combat situations. I expect the game to be like Witcher 3 - skills that affect combat, quests being independent. I can agree to some point that locking someone out of certain quest path because he doesn't have enough charisma is artificial but on the other there should be some form of skill checks and balance between skills that are in the game.

 

[Shadenuat]

I'm surprised there are even stats. Thought it would be just skills and augs.

Even with a good selection of those, you already can create outstanding amount of choices in story and gameplay, if you make everything matter.

 

[deama]

I think I overhyped myself for this, I was expecting something like bloodlines but bigger and more polished.
Then the trailer hit and I was like "ohhhhhhhhhh...."

I'm not sure I'll even enjoy this since I didn't like anything about witcher 3.

 

[damager]

I think I overhyped myself for this, I was expecting something like bloodlines but bigger and more polish

fix'd

 

[Abhay]

I still think that a lot of these issues (or missing things) could very well be released as a separate DLC

 

[ZeniBot]

I still think that a lot of these issues (or missing things) could very well be released as a separate DLC

This would be the best case outcome. But lets face it, we probably won't get the best case.

 

[Zer0wing]

The thing with Cyberpunk is mechanics that it's no rocket science, both implementing all the stats plus skills that matter and making a modern akshun game around them. Not for CDPR, after all they're going after Lifepath even though even VtM:Bloodlines didn't have anything similar except for predefined backstories.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

The people expecting the not so normal classes are moron.

The experience of playing cop vs mercenaries are possibly diametrically opposed that for each quest you would need at least need 2 version and probably dozens of quest exclusives to one or the other classes.

The purely non-combatant class like rocker would requires wholly different quests as well.

You either get something that have limited scope like this, one where class selection doesnt matter, or one like you want (all stats and classes are in ) but each playthrough is 3 hours long. The only exception to this was AoD, even then AoD did it with another level of restriction as well (simple graphic engine, the infamous teleporting which makes a lot of the scenes easier to implement).

Regarding emphathy and social checks it is indded a shame. The game probably wont wont restrict dialogue choices based on stats as dialogue would probably be used as narrative tools ala TW3.

 

[Rahdulan]

CDProjekt has been deleting posts that call Mike Pondsmith out for lying, they're trying to cover it up. He lied about the classes we were getting in the game.

People were just selectively reading and interpreting things so they fit their preconceptions. It also qualifies as old news, I guess?

https://wccftech.com/cyberpunk-2077-journalist-mike-pondsmith/

His tabletop features unconventional classes like journalist, rockstar, executive, and others. The interviewer asked whether those will actually be in Cyberpunk 2077 and Mike Pondsmith replied positively.

Yes, you can. They’re all going to be there, but I can tell you’re going to find some surprises about how we’ve done it and I think you’re really going to like it. There’s a lot of subtlety going on there. Adam (Kiciński, CD Projekt RED’s President and co-CEO) and I spent literally like a whole week messing with the ways of implementing that, so you get the most feel for your character.

 

[ZeniBot]

"they're all going to be there" then proceeds to talk about the player character in the same context. We know they were working on it and it was dropped. I'm more glad though we found out about this misconception prior to release, so I'm glad. But it would've been better for CDProjekt to have just said "we're not talking about this yet". Its nearly always better to have said nothing at all and instead surprise everyone once you know for certain. My initial warning was more to point out that CDProjekts moderators are pricks.

 

[Zer0wing]

The purely non-combatant class like rocker would requires wholly different quests as well.

In a world of Cyberpunk, everything is combat character, or not at least not restricted from combat scenarios.

 

[DalekFlay]

It sounds like an open-world Deus Ex from the makers of The Witcher to me, and that makes me hard as a fucking steel rod.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Since i play to the pen and paper version i can see why they took this decision... Some classes are less active then others and usually operates only in specific ambients..(Corporate). Since they want to make Nigh City the true star of the game they did focus in the roles that could potentially get the best from all locations.

Is normal you can't play all the classes from the pen and paper expecting different is just not being relistic.

Some classes are more "Movers" than the other and less directly involved in events.

And i truly believe who expect this game to be an open deus ex despite being in FPP will most likely be disappointed.

 

[damager]

But Deus Ex is in FPP as well

 

[DalekFlay]

And i truly believe who expect this game to be an open deus ex despite being in FPP will most likely be disappointed.

I've read half a dozen summaries of the behind-closed-doors E3 demo and it certainly, absolutely sounds like an open world Deus Ex game. Now, will it actually end up BEING that when it comes out in 2-3 years or whatever? Who the fuck knows.

 

[Kruno]

Imagine if they just release a PnP game and everyone gets really confused.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

It would be prefectly fine for me :D

 

[Quescarza Ellaine]

You appear to be able to talk your way through a lot of tense situations. There are engineering and hacking skill checks. Is speech also a skill check? Patrick Mills: We don't want to gate speech behind particular classes or anything like that. We want that to be about the story and about your choices in the story.



https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-gameplay-and-interviewed-cd-projekt-about-it

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

For example netrunning needs implants.. Also there are implants that allows you to see litterally if someone is lying or not.

 

[Doktor Best]

Deus Ex also doesnt have speech checks. I would like to have them but they are not absolutely necessary to make a good rpg.