Redfall - open world vampire slaying co-op FPS from Arkane Austin

[Fedora Master]

I assume you're going to regularly keep the topic of this dead horse alive for years to come by regularly posting in this thread fedora like so many other threads.

A healthy forum would simply close threads for shit games after a while.

 

[Tyranicon]

I assume you're going to regularly keep the topic of this dead horse alive for years to come by regularly posting in this thread fedora like so many other threads.

A healthy forum would simply close threads for shit games after a while.

You forget, in the absence of good games, the next most entertaining activity is to mock the obvious failures.

But yeah, after a few months, nobody will care about Redfall other than the "how did it fail?" youtubers... and possibly for its contribution to the fall of Arkane.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

What's sadder is that Redfall is mediocre even as the end product of the train derailment that is modern (and Woke-inflicted) game development.

 

[Joyvankek]

I assume you're going to regularly keep the topic of this dead horse alive for years to come by regularly posting in this thread fedora like so many other threads.

A healthy forum would simply close threads for shit games after a while.

Why?
I do enjoy a good laugh at big steamy pile of shit like Redfall.
As do other codexers it seems.
You can't do it on their forums or steam ones without getting banned.
We are also in the age of decline, and good games are as rare as honest jews.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

 

[Trithne]

 

[Zlaja]

The 'Prey community' sound like a bunch of cucks. All 12 of them.

 

[Dodo1610]

Jason Schreier's report on Redfall

-Basically, the game is the result of ZeniMax's frantic move to live service. was planned to launch with an ingame shop
-No one at Arkane Austin wanted to make this, so 70% of Prey's staff left
-Harvey Smith and Ricardo Bare are incompetent leaders
-Microsoft didn't do anything while Zenimax destroyed one of the most critically acclaimed studios of the world

Inside the Making of Redfall, Xbox’s Latest Misfire​

After Microsoft paid $7.5 billion for its parent company, Arkane Studios’ Redfall has been blasted by critics and players

Over the years, Microsoft Corp.-owned video-game developer Arkane Studios has cultivated a reputation for releasing games that are beloved by fans yet don’t sell very well, such as Prey and Dishonored 2. By contrast, the studio’s most recent game, Redfall, has achieved something new. It has managed to be, at once, a commercial and critical disappointment.

Redfall, a multiplayer shooter set on a fictional Massachusetts island full of vampires, debuted on May 2 and was promptly panned. Fans and critics slammed the game’s bugs and shortcomings. On the review aggregation website Metacritic, Redfall has earned a paltry 54 out of 100, ranking it among the year’s worst-reviewed games.

“It seems there is an issue with every element,” reviewer Tauriq Moosa wrote. “In the end, Redfall feels unpolished, underdone, underwhelming, and uncomfortable.”

The high-profile dud extends the pain this year for Microsoft’s Xbox division, which has struggled to produce hits and watched as its planned $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard Inc. has gotten tripped up by US and UK regulators.

Joost van Dreunen, a video-game analyst and professor, said Redfall’s failure highlights the significant gap between Microsoft’s lofty aspirations and its actual products, which also calls “into question Microsoft’s ability to establish long-term franchises on its own strength, rather than buying them outright.”

Microsoft declined to comment. In a recent interview with the YouTube channel Kinda Funny Games, Xbox boss Phil Spencer said that Redfall’s review scores were “significantly lower than our internal metrics,” suggesting the lackluster debut may have caught the company off guard.

But to the makers of Redfall, the mediocre reception was no big surprise. The project suffered from unclear direction, frequent attrition and a perennial lack of staff, according to more than a dozen people who worked on the game, speaking anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly. A spokesperson for Redfall’s publisher, Bethesda Softworks, declined to comment.

Development of Redfall began in 2018. At the time, ZeniMax — the large, privately held owner of Bethesda Softworks — was looking to sell itself. Behind the scenes, the company was encouraging its studios to develop games that could generate revenue beyond the initial sales, a popular trend dubbed “games as a service,” which was taking off in the late 2010s thanks to lucrative hits like Overwatch and Fortnite.

According to people familiar with the process, ZeniMax was strongly urging developers at its subsidiaries to implement microtransactions — that is, recurring opportunities within games for players to spend real money, say, outfitting their characters. Although this wasn’t an absolute mandate, several ZeniMax franchises such as Fallout, Doom and Wolfenstein would soon release new versions incorporating online multiplayer and monetization options.

At Arkane’s headquarters in Austin, Harvey Smith and Ricardo Bare, respected industry veterans, were tapped to serve as co-directors of Redfall. Following the commercially unsuccessful release of its sci-fi shooter Prey a year earlier, leadership across the company wanted to make something more broadly appealing. What eventually emerged was the idea to make a multiplayer game in which users would team up to battle vampires and perhaps pay for occasional cosmetic upgrades.

Multiplayer Tension​

Since its founding in 1999, Arkane had become known for games called “immersive sims,” single-player experiences in which players strive to overcome obstacles in multiple ways, from combat to stealth maneuvers. Yet from the start, Redfall was pitched to staff as a “multiplayer Arkane game,” which some team members said they found confusing. Whether the sort of gameplay that the studio specialized in would be technically possible in a multiplayer environment was an open question.

Developers under Smith and Bare said the two leads were outwardly excited but as the project progressed failed to provide clear direction. Staff members said that, over time, they grew frustrated with management’s frequently shifting references to other games, such as Far Cry and Borderlands, that left each department with varying ideas of what exactly they were making. Throughout the development, the fundamental tension between single-player and multiplayer design remained unresolved. Smith and Bare did not respond to requests for comment.


Arkane was also perpetually understaffed, said people familiar with its production. The studio’s Austin office employed less than 100 people— sufficient for a relatively small, single-player game like Prey but not enough to compete with multiplayer behemoths like Fortnite and Destiny, which are developed by teams of hundreds. Even additional support from ZeniMax’s Wisconsin-based Roundhouse Studios and other outsourcing houses couldn’t fill the gaps, they say.

Morale at Arkane suffered. Veteran workers who weren’t interested in developing a multiplayer game left in droves. By the end of Redfall’s development, roughly 70% of the Austin staff who had worked on Prey would no longer be at the company, according to people familiar as well as a Bloomberg analysis of LinkedIn and Prey’s credits.

Filling vacancies became a challenge. Within the industry, ZeniMax had a reputation for paying lower than average salaries, and convincing some progressive or moderate video game developers to move to Texas could be difficult due to the state’s conservative social policies. Since Redfall wasn’t yet announced, the studio couldn’t describe its details to prospective employees — a predicament that exacerbated the staffing issues, sources familiar with the process said. Arkane wanted to hire recruits with experience on multiplayer shooters, but the people who applied were by and large looking to work on single-player immersive sims.

Meanwhile, on September 21, 2020, Microsoft purchased ZeniMax for $7.5 billion. It was an ambitious move that gave Xbox control over lucrative franchises such as Doom and Fallout as well as the upcoming Starfield, a role-playing game from the makers of the wildly popular The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Although adding Arkane’s portfolio wasn’t the main goal, it was potentially a nice bonus for Microsoft — particularly if Redfall turned into a hit.

The acquisition gave some staff at Arkane hope that Microsoft might cancel Redfall or, better yet, let them reboot it as a single-player game, according to sources familiar with the production. Instead, Microsoft maintained a hands-off approach. Aside from canceling a version of Redfall that had been planned for rival Sony Corp.’s PlayStation, Microsoft allowed ZeniMax to continue operating as it had before, with great autonomy. Microsoft’s Spencer would later say in the Kinda Funny interview that Xbox “didn’t do a good job early in engaging Arkane Austin.”

A Poor Compromise​

Still, expectations remained high. During a 2021 press conference, Xbox positioned the bloody vampire extravaganza as one of the company’s big upcoming releases, dramatically revealing it as the event’s show-stopping finale.


Yet during the final frantic months, the remaining Arkane staff found themselves stretched thin and the debut date was pushed back from Halloween of 2022 to early 2023 and then eventually to May 2, 2023. Along the way, Smith and other leaders assured the staff that the game would get exponentially better once the final art was implemented and the bugs were fixed, promising that “Arkane magic” would manifest at the last minute as it had with previous games. (Other developers, such as Electronic Arts Inc.’s BioWare, have been widely criticized for using similar language.)

In the end, Redfall never coalesced. Several people who played the game in 2021 were shocked to see how little ultimately changed. The final glitchy product felt to some critics like a poor compromise between single-player and multiplayer ideas that failed to please fans of either type of game.

Harvey Smith recently said in an interview with the website Eurogamer that “early on” he pushed back against the compulsory inclusion of an in-game store. But people who worked on the game said the remarks didn’t square with how things played out. For the first three years, Redfall had a significant microtransaction plan in place. Only in 2021, with “games as a service” growing more controversial among gamers, did Arkane finally scrap its unwieldy in-game monetization plans.

Recently, Microsoft has said that Arkane will continue working to improve Redfall. But its rough launch only raises the pressure for the rest of the ZeniMax lineup, particularly Starfield, which is scheduled to arrive in September. In the interim, the industry will be watching to see what lessons Microsoft has learned.

“The disappointment of Redfall evidences Microsoft’s desperate need for attractive content if it is indeed going to beat rivals Sony and Nintendo at their own game,” analyst van Dreunen said. “My hope is that it will inoculate Xbox from repeating a similar mistake in the future.”

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Told you it was all Bethesda's fault.

 

[Cyberarmy]

RİP in pepperoni

 

[Hobo Elf]

Between Arkane Lyon only being capable of making garbage and Arkane Austin losing most of their veteran staff who made a great game, I think it's safe to assume that Arkane is virtually dead now. Now it's just another name for a studio that used to house talented devs, but they (Bethesda) ruined that and can't even get anyone to apply for them since they offer a shitty deal (low wages).

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Given the heavy staff cutback, I see no reason why they couldn't just do a small-ish imsim again and release it on Gamepass. Bethesda not required.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

LOL Exactly 10 years after Raf sent this email:

Happy Press Sneak Fuck Day, everyone!

Spoiler

 

[Infinitron]

The funniest quotes:

Following the commercially unsuccessful release of its sci-fi shooter Prey a year earlier, leadership across the company wanted to make something more broadly appealing. What eventually emerged was the idea to make a multiplayer game in which users would team up to battle vampires and perhaps pay for occasional cosmetic upgrades.

Filling vacancies became a challenge. Within the industry, ZeniMax had a reputation for paying lower than average salaries, and convincing some progressive or moderate video game developers to move to Texas could be difficult due to the state’s conservative social policies.

Since Redfall wasn’t yet announced, the studio couldn’t describe its details to prospective employees — a predicament that exacerbated the staffing issues, sources familiar with the process said. Arkane wanted to hire recruits with experience on multiplayer shooters, but the people who applied were by and large looking to work on single-player immersive sims.

The acquisition gave some staff at Arkane hope that Microsoft might cancel Redfall or, better yet, let them reboot it as a single-player game, according to sources familiar with the production. Instead, Microsoft maintained a hands-off approach.

 

[markec]

 

[Ivan]

let it die

 

[Average Manatee]

1,560 all time peak, jesus. And half those are reviewers shitting on the game. Almost makes you think there might be hope for the industry.

 

[Tyranicon]

Welp, so much for Prey 2, I guess.

RIP.

 

[Zombra]

"We can't staff this game because applicants don't want to work on a garbage live service shooter, they're all interested in building a critically acclaimed single-player imsim instead"

"Obviously we can't have that. Just shit out whatever predatory microtrans trash will scrape the most money from our idiot customers"

 

[ScarredBushido]

 

[Child of Malkav]

Seems like Raph did some damage by departing. He took others with him or at least caused the others to question their stay. Good on him.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

Blasphemous! Uncle Pete can't do no wrong, mkay?

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Fire Pete! Fire Pete! Fire Pete!

 

[duskvile]

Hopefully they return to Dishonored. Is Prey 2 even possible since all the fuss about the name? If Prey 2 will happen it will be vastly different I recon.

 

[Average Manatee]

Actually kinda sad, I feel like Redfall could have been unique and at least decent if they had a proper team behind it from the start. The core concept is OK.