Do people still rank D&D 5 over D&D 4?

[Don Peste]

First off I gotta say that I see D&D 4 as not only the best D&D game but also my favourite P&P RPG, it was already 10 years old when I got to try it after playing D&D 5. Its only after playing D&D 4 that I realized the wasted potential of D&D 5.

I kept hearing people saying D&D 5 was the big D&D game a bit like Pathfinder vs D&D 3.5 so I was super exited to jump in it. Sadly its been quite a disappointment so far. Ive been through all of the modules and was shocked by the lack of interesting content.

Enemies are dull and mostly feel one dimensional, athmospere is lame, dialogue is bare bone, level designs are dull and super linear/fedex style, musics are dull, level design and map layout are uncreative, written lore is almost nonexistent... this is hardly a proper D&D game, or even a proper P&P RPG like people claim.

I get it that D&D 5 was made using the same system as D&D 4 and stuff but the overall design is so poor (especially combat encounters) that it fails to use it's potential. And the whole tone of the game is such a joke that I dont see how it could ever be called a classic, even RuneQuest wasnt as retarded as what I have seen in D&D 5.

I know that D&D 4 isnt a classic fallout but I find it to be more in the spirit of the series than D&D 5 which is a total joke.

 

[lobsterfrogman]

This only works once.

 

[Jacob]

I'll be honest, when I see this thread on the index I thought this was an actual topic.

Then again I am not a PnP player and the only reason I open the Gazebo is to compare PnP discussions with the cRPG ones.

 

[Morblot]

You forgot to replace one "fallout"

 

[catfood]

You forgot to replace one "fallout"

thatsthejoke

 

[Silva]

Do your mom still ranks my dick over your fathers?

 

[Falksi]

Could anyone actually ever play D&D without it decending into a farcical mess of potions which would make your mates character gay for a day, and actual fist fights when rules were interpreted differently?

Seriously, I find it amazing that any kids could ever get through a proper table-top roleplaying sesh, our lads couldn't.

And Christ alive, playing a Warhammer battle felt like it took days.

 

[Mustawd]

We need a warhammer 40k 5th ed vs 3rd ed or something.

I only played up to 3rd ed and 2nd ed was shit, so I cant make the thread. Hmm...someone who likes posting wh40k stuff in random threads...

kingcomrade

 

[Atlantico]

I kept hearing people saying D&D 5 was the big D&D game a bit like Pathfinder vs D&D 3.5 so I was super exited to jump in it.

Well that's all fine and dandy, but AD&D 2nd ed. is the apex of incline.

No contest. Even so, game systems are only mildly interesting. With a good DM and a group that functions together (and isn't completely sperging) any DnD version is fun.

 

[Atlantico]

2e is not incline. at all.

Spoken like a true autist.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

our lads couldn't.

Storyfags should've been extinct from the word go.

 

[Alex]

I think 2e had many good and a few bad points. For instance, I really liked all the GM advice on how to deal with different types of NPCs you have in 1st edition. While 2nd edition did have a similar section, it was much shorter and less in depth. I also think it could have worked out some of that negative level stuff that was presented in Unearthed Arcana. I also never liked kits a lot, although I think they could be reworked into something interesting.

On the other hand, I think it was a good thing to fold illusionist spells into the MU class (although, to be fair, I don't think specialist magic users work so well in 2e. I always felt they gave up too much for only having a few extra spell slots. Those are great, of course, but they fail to make the class something special). I think the way 2nd edition monsters focused more in presenting the monster as a setting element rather than a game element was a huge improvement over 1e. And, of course, you have a whole lot of interesting setting in 2e. Nowadays I am not such a fan of Planescape as I once was, but there is plenty more that can be used for interesting AD&D adventures.

 

[Bohandas]

I categorically refuse to buy into either system. I've already put too much money into 3e, 3.5, and to a lesser extent 2e

 

[rohand]

Do people still r

 

[Theldaran]

Enemies are dull and mostly feel one dimensional, athmospere is lame, dialogue is bare bone, level designs are dull and super linear/fedex style, musics are dull, level design and map layout are uncreative, written lore is almost nonexistent... this is hardly a proper D&D game, or even a proper P&P RPG like people claim.

I thought that was how you describe D&D4.

True that D&D5 still retains a lot of D&D4's cape of shit, but at least it's mixed with the incline like 2ED and 3ED. You're free to consider it shit, but 4ED is more stale shit.

 

[Raghar]

What dialogue?

 

[Don Peste]

Enemies are dull and mostly feel one dimensional, athmospere is lame, dialogue is bare bone, level designs are dull and super linear/fedex style, musics are dull, level design and map layout are uncreative, written lore is almost nonexistent... this is hardly a proper D&D game, or even a proper P&P RPG like people claim.

I thought that was how you describe D&D4.

True that D&D5 still retains a lot of D&D4's cape of shit, but at least it's mixed with the incline like 2ED and 3ED. You're free to consider it shit, but 4ED is more stale shit.

It was really streamlined from 4ED, the dungeons are way too small and have no gameplay variety. It's also really easy to exploit it by doing things like using bound spells to defeat end game enemies at level 1.

The map in it is way too small, the only reason fast travel doesn't exist is because if it didn't have mountains everywhere and it actually had fast travel than it would be way too easy to explore the entire map within a few hours.

The main quest is really very railroaded in it. You are always fighting for the sake of Gruumsh and not for Lord Dagult or the Ashmadai or you can't side with Lolth.

I believe the sidequests in D&D5 are mostly a downgrade from 4ED. 4ED sidequests are mostly procedualy generated but they have a variety in the busywork you do and they have a sense of randomness that gives it dynamics and allows it to become more replayable. A lot of the sidequests in D&D5 are just throw a die across the map to kill a rat

A lot of people say the main draw to D&D5 is the alien setting but it's still very tolkien in it. Giant mushrooms are everywhere in tolkien and the whole concept of dwarves fucking shit up (so in this case Moradin) is ripped right from tolkien of it.

so in conclusion while D&D5 was a fun exploration game it was bad overall for the series and the ambition of it.

 

[Theldaran]

Don Peste, why are you talking about D&D5 like it was an adventure? It's a rules system, you can run any adventure you like, in Ravnica, in Ravenloft, or in Ponyland.

 

[Havoc]