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Jaime Lannister said:well the majority voted no but 1 dollar 1 vote gave us a differnt sresult
Fucking Jews
Jaime Lannister said:well the majority voted no but 1 dollar 1 vote gave us a differnt sresult
Konjad said:Allow use of anime avatars but set autoban for everyone who use them.
Antagonist said:Um, this might be inappropriate coming from someone who has been mostly lurking for the past 7 years but how about defining the RPGCodex via written quality content instead of nerdraging over some avatars you don't like? As far as I can see at least 90 percent of the participants of this thread have never ever contributed anything of value to the Codex (including the writer of this message). Anime avatars or not, reading through most of the discussions in the gaming related forums does not exactly leaves the impression of an exclusive online magazine where gentlemen argue about the finer points of RPG mechanics.
SoupNazi said:Hey Haba, can you recommend me a good, :monocle: anime?
Excommunicator said:And do not even try to argue that encouraging Anime and Weeaboo bullshit is not going to cause such a declineto happen, because it is already happening. Look around.
Antagonist said:Excommunicator said:And do not even try to argue that encouraging Anime and Weeaboo bullshit is not going to cause such a declineto happen, because it is already happening. Look around.
Well, I remember a recent case where Black Cat discussed the merits of the Shin Megami Tensei series. It was actually painful to read because Black Cat offered some really insightful comments into this particular topic (and RPGs in general) and the counter arguments by many other participants boiled down to: Urgh...ahhh...um...ANIME FAGGOTRY!!!!. Thank you, I'll take the weeaboos of Black Cat's caliber everyday over people with a bad case of unwarranted self-importance.
SoupNazi said:Hey Haba, can you recommend me a good, :monocle: anime?
Excommunicator said:I like some anime. Some of them have great animation and some have interesting ideas. There is nothing wrong with that.
But if you think that it is not a slippery slope then you are mistaken.
Edit: Oh and I would be interested to see an intelligent discussion on the RPG elements of an anime (if there are such things), or intelligent discussions about them in general but I have not seen this happen yet. Perhaps you should bring your micronation together and try to achieve something to change the opinions of those who oppose what you represent? I would be happy to see genuine points and arguments put forward.
Ancient said:I dropped a tear while watching Wolf's Rain
SoupNazi said:Dude, listen to Excommunicator and don't try to take the moral high ground.
Excommunicator said:Can you get together a few of your sympathisers and start a genuine debate thread with some real arguments, examples and well thought out opinions then?
I promise to behave in the thread.
But unless you want to stand up and meet maturity with maturity, then your cause is weak and a failure.
Antagonist said:Ancient said:I dropped a tear while watching Wolf's Rain
Too bad that Wolf's Rain was utter shit except some nice scenery shots.
Good post, but:Reject_666_6 said:Ok, you faggots, hear me out.
The Codex and TCancer are part of the same forum, which is why they allow not only RPG avatars, but also from different strategy and tactical games. Sengoku Rance is a game that is arguably a hybrid of all three mentioned above.
-You develop your characters, take part in (linear) dungeon crawls and death is permanent when a character dies. This is for the the mondblutian gang, but the LARPers have it even better: there is a shitload of C&C in this game, and not the fake kind either, and the replay value is very large because of this.
-Tactically, the game uses a stack-based version of the Disciples series combat. I won't go further on this one because it's known that the Disciples system is polarising, but in itself allows for many tactical variations depending on army composition and size.
-The final tenet here is the strategic aspect. You have to juggle diplomacy, economy, exploration, your armies and generals, dungeon-crawling, building relations with other characters, infrastructure and above all, which battles you fight and where. And all this under a measly number of actions per turn - this is no LOL I CAN DOES EVERYTHING Oblivion clone, you really have to plan your actions carefully and have contingencies.
Now even ignoring that the whole is more than the sum of its parts, if you take each of these elements individually, they're at the very least competently done, and in some ways they have surpassed what you'd expect from a standard dungeon crawler, storyfag RPG or TBS.
Why exactly are jRPGs so despised on the Codex? Because they suck as a whole, not just by virtue of being Japanese, but because quality-wise it can be pretty much proven that the vast majority of these games are horrible to mediocre, or at the very least deeply flawed by conventions adopted simply because the genre itself expects this of them. Time and time again the Japanese have been found wanting, and the few exceptions there are (like Chrono Trigger or the Shin Megami Tensei series) aren't enough to redeem them in our eyes. Yet the approach the Codex has evolved over time is to instinctively equate Japanese with bad, and to dismiss great games such as Sengoku Rance just by virtue of being Japanese, instead of dismissing them because it could be a bad game, which is where this whole distinction originated from.
Is there really a danger of this being a slippery slope? Of it possibly leading to adding random FFXIII avatars? Take another look at the Japanese gaming market and then back to this thread - Japanese games still suck badly and these really worthwhile games are getting more sparse. There is no logic in thinking that "We will now add bad Japanese games because we reluctantly added a great one." The anime art-style is a strawman. Many people would find the System Shock, Geneforge or Wasteland avatars ugly compared to the pristine Age of Decadence, Dawn of War or Arcanum avatars, but this misses the point entirely. We have these games on our avatar list not because we like the avatars themselves, but because they represent something that the genre should aspire to..