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Pointing and laughing.
I am just a potential consumer, I have no rights.
Good to see you catching on.
I am just a potential consumer, I have no rights.
Pliskin said:Elhoim said:No we have Vista issues. We tested the game on 12 PCs, none of them had Vista. You can load the game, but when you start combat, it crashes because Vista replaces your character ID with something else.
CGC::_startCombat() - combat initiator: 3000
CombatTurn::start() - combat initiator: 3000
CombatTurn::start() - combat central found: Yes
CombatTurn::start() - adding combat initiator to fight: 3000, 6089
CombatTurn::start() - combat turn #1 started successfully.
3000
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When it should show this:
CGC::_startCombat() - combat initiator: 3000
CombatTurn::start() - combat initiator: 3000
CombatTurn::start() - combat central found: Yes
CombatTurn::start() - adding combat initiator to fight: 3000, 6089
CombatTurn::start() - combat turn #1 started successfully.
3000
2001
For some reason, the ID of the PC is completely fucked up. Etc.
So, with Windows 7 just around the corner, I assume we should expect further OS localization-related delays?
Vault Dweller said:None. I've even stopped doing interviews because I didn't want to talk about the game until the demo is released.Silellak said:Okay, honest question, because I haven't seen any - what hype has ITS been generating outside of these forums, the ITS forums, and a few news articles here and there?
It's in the state where Brian Mitsoda decided to work with us and in the state where a playable combat demo was given to several people. Draw your own conclusions.Matt7895 said:I mean, we don't know what kind of stage of development AoD is in...
The third beta round will start later on today. If everything works fine, the demo will be released in 2-3 weeks. It's been a long wait, but it was a lot harder on us than it was on you.
I was at work. I can only do so much there. And I'm not defending my decision, I'm participating in an almost epic internet drama.Jaime Lannister said:What the fuck are you doing Vault Dweller
The guy deserved a ban but why the fuck are you moderating your own forums and then defending your moderating decisions on another forum instead of working on the game?
It's true, but we can't really do much about it.obediah said:And the slow overall pace bites you in the ass with a steady trickle of items - the world doesn't slow down for hobbyist developers...
You're confusing criticizing features (and backing up your criticism with arguments) with complaining that the game hasn't been released yet.Bluegrazz said:Well I will remind you of this post anytime I see you bitching about any game you havnt yet bought- They dont owe ya shit, quit bitching.
What rights would you like to have, dear?Thanks for reminding me though, I am just a potential consumer, I have no rights.
Gold said:No not Friday....Melcar said:The AoD forums seem to be full of retards. Maybe that's why the game never comes out. By the way, is it true the release date got pushed back to Friday?
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The signature made the whole post feel pompous.
Oh, it's the RPGs that are stupid, not the one who considers them stupid yet still plays them?Serious_Business said:I am expert on rpg and I become very angry when people give uneducated opinion on rpg. Rpg is very serious exact science and not a stupid way to kill time, it is very important to know about this subject. If you are not knowledgeable about rpg then you are a moron
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bhlaab said:Why do you think you're owed anything at this point?
If the game comes out, either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
Azrael the cat said:bhlaab said:Why do you think you're owed anything at this point?
If the game comes out, either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
Why does his complaining about a game imply that he thinks he's owed anything?
If Oblivion has awful writing, shitty gameplay and is an abomination to rpgs, then either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
If Dragon Age is looking like a creepy Japanese dating sim, then either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
Azrael the cat said:bhlaab said:Why do you think you're owed anything at this point?
If the game comes out, either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
Why does his complaining about a game imply that he thinks he's owed anything?
Bluegrazz said:Thanks for reminding me though, I am just a potential consumer, I have no rights.
Don't hold your breath for that post.Bluegrazz said:Well I will remind you of this post anytime I see you bitching about any game you havnt yet bought- They dont owe ya shit, quit bitching.
That truly would be the decline of the Codex- There would be like what , 4 posts... Thanks for reminding me though, I am just a potential consumer, I have no rights.
Critisism, opinions and suggentions actually relating to the game or it's contents are fair game and a good thing. Claiming your "efford" to be part of a community for a not yet existing product entitles you to anything on the other hand is not.On that logic we should stop complaining about any video games ever - after all Todd Howard and D Gaider don't owe us to make the kind of game we'd like, so we'd better take our nasty comments and keep them to ourselves!
bhlaab said:Azrael the cat said:bhlaab said:Why do you think you're owed anything at this point?
If the game comes out, either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
Why does his complaining about a game imply that he thinks he's owed anything?
If Oblivion has awful writing, shitty gameplay and is an abomination to rpgs, then either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
If Dragon Age is looking like a creepy Japanese dating sim, then either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
First of all, tl;dr faggot
Second, you're exactly right about Oblivion and Dragon Age. Everybody's free to say a game sucks a dick, but nobody has some inalienable right to good games in a timely fashion.
The only investment this guy has made was the effort it took to go "Age of Decadence, eh? Sounds interesting. I will look forward to that." If the situation changes, stop looking forward to it-- problem solved! Doesn't warrant a phone call to customer service.
Imbecile said:Azrael the cat said:bhlaab said:Why do you think you're owed anything at this point?
If the game comes out, either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
Why does his complaining about a game imply that he thinks he's owed anything?
I thought he was complaining that the game wasn't released yet, which kinda implies he thinks he (or maybe the world in general) is owed the game. If pre-order cash had been paid then I could perhaps understand some level of anger, but as far as I know, nothing has been paid.
Azrael the cat said:snip
Silellak said:They are far more open about their development process than most other studios I've seen.
Darth Roxor said:Azrael the cat said:snip
I don't believe the situation with Team Gizka and AoD is comparable or at least not entirely. The only thing they have in common is the horrendously long development time and constant delaying of various things. But, while Team Gizka keeps doing *nothing at all*, and just churns out 'DONE WHEN IT'S DONE, GTFO!', not to mention that cock Dashus even has the nerve to write stuff like 'Not working on it anymore 'cause I'm having sex ', ITS actually keeps putting out screenshots or videos from time to time (which is definitely more than changing the bugcount from 30 to 29), they listen to suggestions, discuss the features they want to put in AoD etc etc.
Heck, even if it's all one big vapourware hoax (unlikely), they sure manage to keep an 'illusion of work' better than TG.
Well, first, neither Bio nor Beth nor any other company owes anything to anyone. I don't remember anyone ever saying that Bioware simply must do things a certain way because it's their duty and an obligation.Azrael the cat said:Why does his complaining about a game imply that he thinks he's owed anything?
If Oblivion has awful writing, shitty gameplay and is an abomination to rpgs, then either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
If Dragon Age is looking like a creepy Japanese dating sim, then either buy it or don't. That's the entirety of your power as a consumer.
On that logic we should stop complaining about any video games ever - after all Todd Howard and D Gaider don't owe us to make the kind of game we'd like, so we'd better take our nasty comments and keep them to ourselves!
:facepalm:And if we're looking to distinguish between complaining about development time and complaining about features, well sorry but we've already got a precedent on that - my topic on the The Restoration Project is almost 70 pages now, mostly filled with comments like the OPs mocking the TSLRP's forum fanboys for making posts almost identical to those here and on the ITS forums. Maybe our behaviour regarding TSLRP might, just might, be why trolls are saying the exact same things regarding another indie project with an aversion to giving firm release dates? Hmm?
How so? They merely explained an obvious thing. I've already addressed this point, but you decided to ignore it.Well, the people who posted after him saying 'it's an independent developer and he's doing it on his own time' looked stupid...
Then what's your point?... as a causal explanation yes, it probably is the reason why development is taking a while (though not an unusal amount, for a game of that type - I'm attacking the nature of the posts defending the game, not the game development itself), but that's about as relevant as saying 'Todd Howard has no talent, it's not his fault his game is crap'. Sure it's probably true...
When it comes to gameplay. IF someone was criticizing the quality, saying "wow, is this game a buggy piece of shit or what?", then "well, it's an indie developer who worked in his spare time!!! give him a break!!!" comments would have been idiotic.but from a consumer's viewpoint I couldn't care less whether a game was made by an indie company or crapped out by the magic rpg fairy
And? I understand that some people are having doubts and think that the game will never be released and if released, it will most likely suck, etc, but I wouldn't expect to see them on my forum, sharing their doubts and expecting to be reassured that the game will be released eventually. Surely, there are better ways to spend time on the internet?If someone says 'gee, this game is taking a long time', and others go 'but it's an indie developer', the proper response of hte OP should have been to say 'yes, that's exactly what I said. It's an indie developer, therefore my cynicism is more likely to be justified, because it's a small team, working in their spare time, and things will come up and get in the way'.
They should though. I liked the Codex more when Dave Gaider was dropping by regularly to reply to criticism, then when the criticism was replaced with "lol at Gaider", no? The Codex was at its best when it managed to engage many developers in dialogue.This is an rpg site, and a rather caustic one, dedicated mainly to shredding rpgs for their failings, or perceived failings, even before they are released. See the discussion of Dragon Age and Alpha Protocol for examples. The developers of those games don't 'owe' us anything, anymore than VD does. Yet criticism of those games has gone so far as to include ongoing personal abuse of the designers themselves, and no-one blinks an eye.
Once again, you're confusing constructive criticism with claims developers owe something to someone or whining that some game you really want to play now hasn't been released.Hell, it's more common for Codexers to post 'mock' Bethesda-fanboy postings in caps saying 'what does Bioware owe you, if you don't liek Dragon Age go maek your own game lol!' - mocking the very idea that someone should question the reasonableness of criticisng game development for not matching the posters' tastes. And quite rightly so.
Jesus... what are you talking about? Who the fuck is talking about excepting AoD from criticism? It's like you've had some imaginary conversation in your head and now posting your thoughts on it here.And if AoD should be excepted from criticism because 'it's an inde project', then so should Oblivion and FO3 because 'Todd just doesn't have talent'.
Then don't compare it with constructive criticism of other games.People should either stop calling people butthurt for making demands of AD, or start calling everyone butthurt for making demands of Bethesda/Bioware/Obsidian. Again, I'm not saying that the OP's criticism was correct....
They are questioning his right to claim that he has the right to whine about the game not being released yet.rpgs take a long time to make, even for fully staffed companies, and the best sign that it isn't vapourware is annie and Mitsoda assocaiting themselves with ITS and using the ITS engine. It's the reaction to the criticism that is shite - that instead of simply engaging in debate over rpg development (what this site is for), people are questioning the OPs right to bitch about the game or its developers.
:facepalm:But if people want to discuss game quality while the game is still in development, then by all means they should be free to do so without getting flamed for it - after all, we've already thoroughly mocked the idea of 'waiting til we've tried the game' for every other rpg in development, why should this one be any different?