Black Mesa - legendary vaporware Half-Life remake finally out

[Luzur]

http://forums.blackmesasource.com/showthread.php?t=17088

Black Mesa will soon be re-released on Steam as a standalone SKU with a new engine, and it will cost a bit.

The alternative free version will still be available, but with the old engine.

Did they ever add the alien levels?

not yet, conversion process/bugs took alot of time he types.

 

[Grunker]

Sucks. I somehow didn't realize they hadn't added them, so I was quite stumped when the game abruptly ended.

 

[Infinitron]

it will cost a bit.

They plan to sell an unofficial Half-Life remake? Nice of Valve to allow that.

 

[AngryEddy]

http://forums.blackmesasource.com/showthread.php?t=17088

Black Mesa will soon be re-released on Steam as a standalone SKU with a new engine, and it will cost a bit.

The alternative free version will still be available, but with the old engine.

Did they ever add the alien levels?

not yet, conversion process/bugs took alot of time he types.

k, thanks

 

[DemonKing]

I remember getting through the original HL without any need to look up walkthroughs back in '98 but when I tried Black Mesa I had to constantly jump online for hints - they seemed to manage a very good job at concealing the right way to progress forward with tiny little side exits and so on (or alternatively, my gaming brain has calcified somewhat). Interested to see if the new engine they're talking about is indeed Source 2, although frankly I'd rather see a new game released than a remake of HL.

Oh yeah - HL is 15 today suckas! http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/19/so-very-many-happy-returns-half-life-is-15-today/

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

http://kotaku.com/website-related-to-half-life-remake-broadcasts-emergenc-1677060537

Something's happening. Expect a formal announcement of Black Mesa: Steam Version in 2020.

 

[DraQ]

Full HL remake with Xen this time?
(Maybe with just as alien but less platformer Xen?)

 

[Metro]

How is this shit not on Steam yet?

 

[garren]

They are waiting to release the full version with Xen first.

 

[A horse of course]

Or you could just play the dozens upon dozens of quality SP Half-Life 1 mods.

 

[Suchy]

WTF is all this fuss about HL. Seriously, it's just a painfully mediocre FPS. I got totally bored somewhere in the middle of HL2 and quit, never to return.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Shut your cunt mouth.

 

[DraQ]

WTF is all this fuss about HL. Seriously, it's just a painfully mediocre FPS. I got totally bored somewhere in the middle of HL2 and quit, never to return.

Quick question, have you played the original?

 

[jcd]

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[Wirdschowerdn]

No, that would be Medal of Honor. It set off an avalanche of decline in first-person shooters.

 

[Average Manatee]

it's the origin of everything wrong with modern fps games

Yes, I can see that. All of the games these days that include:

- Very fast movement speed.
- Over a dozen enemies which all act completely differently. Only one generic army enemy, the rest are all weird aliens with unique methods of movement and attack, and even the generic army enemy has good grenade AI and is quite deadly.
- Over a dozen different weapons, almost all of them vastly different in how you use them rather than being a dozen reskins of generic assault rifles with minor stat differences.
- Rocket jumping and other associated jumping techniques.
- Areas and enemies that emphasize mobility.
- Minimal plot interruption of gameplay outside of introduction to the game world, and virtually no cutscenes.
- Puzzles that make sense in the environment rather than being a random shoe-in that makes no contextual sense.
- A large spread of environments, including a low-grav world.
- A fairly challenging level of difficulty.

Someone else tell me if I've missed any of the horrible atrocities that HL1 has inflicted upon the FPS genre.

Spoiler

You could argue that Counterstrike was what screwed the FPS genre and HL1 was the origin of that. Dunno if that was your point

 

[Angthoron]

Yes, I can see that. All of the games these days that include:

- Very fast movement speed.
- Over a dozen enemies which all act completely differently. Only one generic army enemy, the rest are all weird aliens with unique methods of movement and attack, and even the generic army enemy has good grenade AI and is quite deadly.
- Over a dozen different weapons, almost all of them vastly different in how you use them rather than being a dozen reskins of generic assault rifles with minor stat differences.
- Rocket jumping and other associated jumping techniques.
- Areas and enemies that emphasize mobility.
- Minimal plot interruption of gameplay outside of introduction to the game world, and virtually no cutscenes.
- Puzzles that make sense in the environment rather than being a random shoe-in that makes no contextual sense.
- A large spread of environments, including a low-grav world.
- A fairly challenging level of difficulty.

Someone else tell me if I've missed any of the horrible atrocities that HL1 has inflicted upon the FPS genre.

Spoiler

You could argue that Counterstrike was what screwed the FPS genre and HL1 was the origin of that. Dunno if that was your point

Heavy scripting seems to be one of those things.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Scripted events were already a thing in Unreal too, a game everyone seems to love. Half-Life used scripts in very sublime and creative ways, it didn't diminish the game itself in any way, unlike Medal of Honor and all that other big publisher dreck that wanted to jump on the Saving Private Ryan wagon.

 

[jcd]

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[Average Manatee]

A lot of that depends on the context of what a script actually does to a game. Doors in DOOM are scripted to open up when you walk past an invisible line on the floor.

 

[Tehdagah]

- Minimal plot interruption of gameplay outside of introduction to the game world, and virtually no cutscenes.

The cutscenes are all infused within the gameplay (ie: "immershun")

- Puzzles that make sense in the environment rather than being a random shoe-in that makes no contextual sense.

This is why Half Life was beginning of the end.

Wow, these boring box puzzles make sense in the environment! Much better than "non-immersive" puzzles that are actually good, right?

- Emphasis on story
- Scripts, scripts everywhere
- Mostly generic weapons
- Linear levels

HL was pretty good with its ideas and their execution but ultimately it's responsible for all Bioshock infinities and calls of battlefield duty.

Also, easy game.

 

[Average Manatee]

- Emphasis on story
- Scripts, scripts everywhere
- Mostly generic weapons
- Linear levels

Emphasis on story? wat? The story in HL1 boils down to Doom except we're underground on earth rather than on Mars and the enemies are Aliens rather than Demons. HL2 is what started the emphasis on story shit, with NPCs constantly wasting time and a villian who constantly melodramizes in front of you.
Generic weapons? It's one of the least generic equipment loadouts you can find in a game that isn't going full-silly like Duke3D.
Levels aren't really drastically linear, you can find many "good" FPS of the time with similar linearness.

HL was pretty good with its ideas and its execution but ultimately it's responsible for all Bioshock infinities and calls of battlefield duty.

It ain't responsible for shit. Shitty devs pandering to shitty demographics is responsible for those games.

The cutscenes are all infused within the gameplay (ie: "immershun")

That's HL2. HL1 has almost none of the "cutscene masquerading as not-a-cutscene" bullshit.

This is why Half Life was beginning of the end.
Wow, these boring box puzzles make sense in the environment! Much better than "non-immersive" puzzles that are actually good, right?

Again, the box puzzle and physics shit was HL2.

Also, easy game

HL1 on Hard is moderately challenging if not one of the more difficult singleplayer games, especially Blue Shift and Opposing Force. What are you comparing it to that you think its easy?

HL2 is where Valve dropped the ball and made the whole thing a fucking carebear game.

 

[Jick Magger]

Blaming Half Life for creating the modern FPS environment is like blaming Nietzsche for inventing Nazism.

 

[Tehdagah]

Half Life was praised for its story.

Blaming Half Life for creating the modern FPS environment is like blaming Nietzsche for inventing Nazism.

See: FPS's before and after Half Life.

 

[Average Manatee]

Half Life was praised for its story.

Who gives a shit what idiots praise it for? Does a reviewer whose job it is to fellate games change what a game actually is? No.

See: FPS's before and after Half Life.

See: FPSs before and after 9/11. Fucking terrorists taking away our games. Osama Bin Laden invented modern FPS.

Spoiler

Only half joking here, the war on terror is probably the biggest reason why modern shooters with "realism" took off, and the influx of casuals is responsible for the dumbing down as a whole.