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Mayday

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I wouldn't. EU is a beaurocratic, socialistic moloch that CURRENTLY costs us as much as we get and IN THE FUTURE will be the reason behind our demise.
All the investments are made at the expense of a simple man's increasing life cost and the autonomy of our whole country.
 

LittleJoe

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I would suggest that countries like Ireland and Spain have done quite well in the EU, so why not Poland?
 

Globbi

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EU will fall because of Poland in it, just like it was with USSR :P
 

corvax

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LittleJoe said:
The Walkin' Dude said:
it willingly gives away its freedom to EU, in vain hopes of great prosperity

Surely EU membership has been a good thing for Poland?
Would the Polish Codexians agree on this?
Yes. It allowed tons of Polish people to finally get the hell out of Poland. Legally too.
 

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Of course EU membership has been good for Poland. Otherwise, how could Father Rydzyk pay for his projects? But seriously, many good things are done with the money from EU, even if a sizable part of it is wasted and/or frauded.
 

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ggregg said:
autonomy of our whole country

You've been deceived about this country stuff. WTF is a country? Who needs this shit anyway. EU is a good step forward. Price worth paying.

The benefit of having "shit" called countries is that there are differences between them, so you get to choose in which one do you want to live. If you've got a whole federation where all the laws are the same and all the economy is centrally guided, you have nowhere to go (and the tendency to form large federations is supposedly appearing in the Americas too, so escape to the USA will not change much).

Anyway, the collapsing social systems of France (starting with the police was a really dumb thing to do) and Germany (already considering the increase of retirement age) shows that euro-socialism is NOT a price worth paying.

And besides, I'm fucking furious about the increasing prices of cheese.
 

obediah

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JarlFrank

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Jasede said:
I want Prussia back. :(

Bavaria could secede from the German Republic, we Bavarians have a culture of our own anyways. And while we're at it, we could completely restore the status of the mid-1800's to make Germany the region in the world with highest density of autonomous countries.

It would be kinda cool.
 

JarlFrank

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kingcomrade said:
It would probably be better for everyone in the region, too, to have more local control.

And we'd have countries with names like Saxe-Gotha-Coburg, which is awesome in itself.
 

caliban

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The benefit of having "shit" called countries is that there are differences between them, so you get to choose in which one do you want to live. If you've got a whole federation where all the laws are the same and all the economy is centrally guided, you have nowhere to go (and the tendency to form large federations is supposedly appearing in the Americas too, so escape to the USA will not change much).

Anyway, the collapsing social systems of France (starting with the police was a really dumb thing to do) and Germany (already considering the increase of retirement age) shows that euro-socialism is NOT a price worth paying.

Eh? There are no plans to fully centralize all countries, remove national languages from schools or make a centralized law&penal system. As much as I dislike proverbial EU bureaucracy, I certainly don't think local goverments are being in any way supressed.

Besides, I wouldn't mind if it really happened. Although national identity, language, history and cultural heritage are to preserved, when it comes to economy, global politics or military forces, federation is the pragmatic way to go.

As for the costs - well, EU is a club. It has benefits, but it also has costs. It ain't charity. Other countries are putting cash into our development now, and logic dictates they're doing it in their own best interest, not because they're nice or because we 'deserve' anything from them...

I totally agree with your statement about stupid social politics in Germany and France (by that I mean everything - helthcare, retirement policies, immigrant policies etc) - it bit them in the ass BIG TIME. Same will happen, or is happening now, in Sweden for example.

This is an lesson we should learn well, so that we don't shoot ourselves in the foot like they did. We must cut costs, streamline and optimize this mess of a country and start investing those zlotys rather than wasting them.

Anyway, WTF? How did a perfectly good talk about beer and hos turn in this pointless direction? ;)
 

Mayday

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caliban said:
Anyway, WTF? How did a perfectly good talk about beer and hos turn in this pointless direction? ;)

You're right! Let's take this opportunity of being in the EU and order a buncha Carlsbergs and Dutch hos.

Here's to Poland, the Dumbfuck Country!
 

Humanophage

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I wonder if the Poles still hate the Russians, and consider themselves the last bulwark of Europe against that heinous Asiatic horde.
 

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Elwro said:
Nope, right now we're building the Rosy Bridge of Peace between the West and the East ^______^

By trying to force Russia to buy the shitty diseased meat and accepting USA bases/missiles on your territory?
 

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The Walkin' Dude said:
Elwro said:
Nope, right now we're building the Rosy Bridge of Peace between the West and the East ^______^

By trying to force Russia to buy the shitty diseased meat and accepting USA bases/missiles on your territory?

Matter of meat was clearly a political problem - very interesting that embargo was lifted very quickly after change in the goverment, seems Russians didnt like the previous one.
And how did we force anything on Russia? You dont mean that we involved UE in our problem with Russia? Because if you think so then I must remind you that We as a part of the Union have the right to be treated on equal terms as other members of UE.

As for USA bases: 1) We havent agreed yet, 2) seeing as major russian general says that Russia may consider using nuclear weapons in a prevention war makes me think that building that base maybe useful. Mostly because Russia should understand that they cannot/shouldnt force anything on us.

I dont think that there is great love between our nations. Mostly because of our troubled history. Once I've read interesting concept about why cant we get a long with each other. Namely Poland always leaned thowards western civilization and as such we were treated as a traitors of slavonic culture. And Russians on the other hand always considered themselves as the leader of other Slavs. So its years and years of prejudice and manipulation. For an example: in Dostoyevski's books if there was a treacherous, drunk and despical person it must have been a Pole.

Dont forget also that we as a post-soviet republic have enough of Russians governing us and things we can or cannot do.
 

Globbi

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The embargo on meat was based on faked documents coming from east without even polish alphabet letters. And there was no control that would show the embargo right.

As for anti-rocket shields Russia gave no single reason why to not agree on them (threats don't count)

In general Poles like Russians, and Russians like Poles. We just don't like Russian president who doesn't like us, and he's the one who's controling propaganda.
 

dragonfk

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ggregg said:
Success our bold nation has been craving for years is ours at last! Poor fuckers. Team Darwin Award.

I dont see the connection between Darwin Award and these people. Care to elaborate?

I would call it a paradox at most.
 

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