Shadowrun Shadowrun: Hong Kong Pre-Release Discussion [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Infinitron]

20,000 backers.

 

[zero29]

Imagine HBS being tied to a publisher and releasing their games as they were

Imagine HBS being tied to a publisher...

...releasing their games as they were

does not compute

 

[Infinitron]

UPDATE: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/shadowrun-hong-kong/posts/1121261

 

[Abu Antar]

I love the concept art.

 

[Bubbles]

Wait, are they switching to first person perspective for this one?

 

[Jaesun]

Apparently concept art is a new term for you.

 

[undecaf]

Think I might actually bend over for this one for the 55 tier afterall.

 

[Jaesun]

Think I might actually bend over for this one for the 55 tier afterall.

Don't forget the codex fundraiser as well. Unless you specifically are looking for an item on the actual KS. Or donate to both! :D

 

[undecaf]

Think I might actually bend over for this one for the 55 tier afterall.

Don't forget the codex fundraiser as well. Unless you specifically are looking for an item on the actual KS. Or donate to both! :D

I might just go for both eventually. But I am interested in the SR PnP stuff that they offer, so that's a priority. Also need to check how PayPal works, never used it.

 

[Abu Antar]

Think I might actually bend over for this one for the 55 tier afterall.

Don't forget the codex fundraiser as well. Unless you specifically are looking for an item on the actual KS. Or donate to both! :D

I might just go for both eventually. But I am interested in the SR PnP stuff that they offer, so that's a priority. Also need to check how PayPal works, never used it.

HBS are not accepting PayPal for this campaign. Too much hassle, they said.

 

[undecaf]

Think I might actually bend over for this one for the 55 tier afterall.

Don't forget the codex fundraiser as well. Unless you specifically are looking for an item on the actual KS. Or donate to both! :D

I might just go for both eventually. But I am interested in the SR PnP stuff that they offer, so that's a priority. Also need to check how PayPal works, never used it.

HBS are not accepting PayPal for this campaign. Too much hassle, they said.

Good to know. I suppose it's good for them to cut back some of the extra hassle and focus on the game since they are not reaching for the stars and are happy with less to not bloat their project. I meant the Codex fundraiser which I suppose goes through PayPal, though, the KS goes through Amazon as usual.

 

[stony3k]

Good to know. I suppose it's good for them to cut back some of the extra hassle and focus on the game since they are not reaching for the stars and are happy with less to not bloat their project. I meant the Codex fundraiser which I suppose goes through PayPal, though, the KS goes through Amazon as usual.

Nope, KS no longer goes through Amazon either

 

[Jaesun]

Also need to check how PayPal works, never used it.

Kickstarter is now using a NEW system for payment. They no longer use Amazon. For people that could not use Amazon, this new system seems to work for most people.

 

[undecaf]

Well fuck me how the world changes all of a sudden...

Can someone tell me briefly how the new system works?

 

[SarcasticUndertones]

Did you see that you're getting your Sculpted systems aftr all, Darth?

Well fuck me how the world changes all of a sudden...

Can someone tell me briefly how the new system works?

Cash in an envelope.

 

[undecaf]

Did you see that you're getting your Sculpted systems aftr all, Darth?

Well fuck me how the world changes all of a sudden...

Can someone tell me briefly how the new system works?

Cash in an envelope.

I almost went for faxing 2€ coins. Thanks for the tip.

Edit - Nevermind, I found the correct FAQ page. The cunts don't even accept faxes.

 

[undecaf]

Ok fuckers. 55 went to KS and 20 to the prestiged magazine. And I'm so fucking drunk I probably don't even remember this tomorrow, let alone when the bill arrives....

And while I'm spending why not a bit for 'Dex too.

 

[SwiftCrack]

Yeah that art is great.

 

[undecaf]

The art has been great from the beginning.

 

[imweasel]

Regarding itemization: I'd rather have them evolve the game towards Jagged Alliance, not Baldur's Gate.

I understand that variety is cool but the setting doesn't lend itself to enchantment derp. A gun is a gun. It shoots bullets. Some do it better than others. Stuff like tazers, grenade launchers, net throwers maybe ? are good but there's only so much of this stuff you can come up with before players start derping around with batman gadgets.

And no more armors with ridiculous stat bonuses please. Maybe some power armor at end game or a mage outfit that is a fetish itself but even that would be approaching derp.

Items don't have to be enchanted to be special, they could simply be rare (i.e. very expensive) high tech stuff or unique prototypes, which fits the Shadowrun setting very well. In Dragonfall there were already many unique/rare high tech rewards: A Matrix enhancement for Blitz, Eiger's custom weapon, Glory's unique cyberware, etc.

On a side note, I already read "unique and rare items are shit, none of that please", but unique and very expensive resp. rare items like in Fallout, Baldur's Gate, or in part Dragonfall is what makes itemization really interesting. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone wants the looting bonanza from Baldur's Gate or Fallout where you stuff 30 swords/guns into your team's backpacks and sell them for cash. That doesn't really fit the setting.

 

[Lord Andre]

Items don't have to be enchanted to be special, they could simply be rare (i.e. very expensive) high tech stuff or unique prototypes, which fits the Shadowrun setting very well. In Dragonfall there were already many unique/rare high tech rewards: A Matrix enhancement for Blitz, Eiger's custom weapon, Glory's unique cyberware, etc.

On a side note, I already read "unique and rare items are shit, none of that please", but unique and very expensive resp. rare items like in Fallout, Baldur's Gate, or in part Dragonfall is what makes itemization really interesting. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone wants the looting bonanza from Baldur's Gate or Fallout where you stuff 30 swords/guns into your team's backpacks and sell them for cash. That doesn't really fit the setting.

I have nothing against the idea as a concept, but a concept eventually has to be implemented into something concrete. I'm rather concerned that this concrete would turn out absurd/not right for the setting if the volume of such items gets to high e.g. turns into a quota that must be filled. Even if the number is low I'd still prefer if there was no "Fallout power armor" like items that completlly overshadow everything else in their category.

For example I like the tazer as an unique item because it has good synergy with melee builds and it fits the setting. I don't like the minigun as much because a shadowrunner walking around with a minigun is kind of derpy.

So, to reiterate my point, unique items are fine as long as good taste is exercised and their usefulness comes from synergy with other items/builds and not from uber stats.

 

[tuluse]

I have nothing against the idea as a concept, but a concept eventually has to be implemented into something concrete. I'm rather concerned that this concrete would turn out absurd/not right for the setting if the volume of such items gets to high e.g. turns into a quota that must be filled. Even if the number is low I'd still prefer if there was no "Fallout power armor" like items that completlly overshadow everything else in their category.

Every single category has this in the current Shadowrun games. There is a single "best item" that you always end up with.

 

[OSK]

Eiger's custom weapon

I swear, everyone got Eiger's assault rifle. I ended up with her getting voltaic grenades.

 

[SarcasticUndertones]

Eiger's custom weapon

I swear, everyone got Eiger's assault rifle. I ended up with her getting voltaic grenades.

It depends on what upgrade branch you take.

 

[Lord Andre]

Every single category has this in the current Shadowrun games. There is a single "best item" that you always end up with.

Yes, of course, but the jump in power from 2nd best to best is not that much.(except for shotguns maybe 'cause of burst ? can't remember). Anyway, I meant no items that are so powerful compared to the next best one that they trivialize the rest of the mechanics (char build, tactics etc.). No huge spike in power basically. Instead I'd prefer if the higher quality of the item is reflected through increased synergy with other stuff or situational usefulness.