Fallout Fallout 1 question - the skip to Mariposa

[Bester]

You can tell Harry the supermutant in Necropolis to take you to the Mariposa Military base. There you are stripped of your belongings and put in a cell, where you find the 10mm gun and 3 stimpacks. You can lockpick the door.

No skills will allow you to escape, though, realistically. Unless maybe extreme levels of stealth, I don't know. No matter how good you are with guns, you won't get out, because you get one shot.

What was the purpose of this seeming dead end? Besides, you weren't supposed to destroy the base before delivering the water chip, etc. It's a weird skip into nowhere, you'll have to load. And all it does is dump a bunch of HUGE SPOILERS on you.

Am I missing something?

 

[Bester]

Also, if you sneak out far enough, a mutie will talk to you and take you to the Lieutenant who will INITIATE THE SAME CONVERSATION as when Harry brought you to him.

The entire thing looks like some bugged mess.

 

[Ryzer]

You can tell Harry the supermutant in Necropolis to take you to the Mariposa Military base. There you are stripped of your belongings and put in a cell, where you find the 10mm gun and 3 stimpacks. You can lockpick the door.

No skills will allow you to escape, though, realistically. Unless maybe extreme levels of stealth, I don't know. No matter how good you are with guns, you won't get out, because you get one shot.

What was the purpose of this seeming dead end? Besides, you weren't supposed to destroy the base before delivering the water chip, etc. It's a weird skip into nowhere, you'll have to load. And all it does is dump a bunch of HUGE SPOILERS on you.

Am I missing something?

Subtly implying to the player that he made a dumb mistake by picking this option as it has consequences, the culpit here is the ability to reload a save.
Losing your advancement would have been a much bigger consequence to your action.

 

[Bester]

By savescumming a lot just to test the doability, I ended up sneaking out of it, with extremely lucky eye shots to mutants, disarming them while they're passed out. It still doesn't make sense to me. Even when you make it to the outdoors area, the console gives you a description of the location that implies that you've entered from the world map, not by exiting the building.

And also, why isn't the player given a choice not to surrender his equipment and fight? Another unreasonable thing about this whole idea.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

Pretty sure that when you're speaking with the Lieutenant, the real "sneak away" option is supposed to be making the Lieutenant try to punch and torture you, upon which you are supposed to run. He will come after you but quite slowly.

There are also a bunch of Children of the Cathedral guys nearby, it might be possible to kill one, get their card and robe then infiltrate away from Mariposa.

 

[AW8]

I was unable to survive the Lieutenant's torture (maybe I wasn't at full HP?), so I assumed the game over ending where you sell out your Vault was the only option after letting Harry take me to his leader.

I thought it was super cool to get an early look into a mysterious location (I had no idea where I was) and meet this inquisitive villain. But it did feel unpolished and was probably not a priority for the dev team. I wonder what percentage of players even experienced it (especially on a first playthrough).

 

[Jigby]

I think you're overestimating the complexity of Fallout's scripting. There are plenty of console outputs that don't make much sense if you do things out of the default presupposed order.

 

[Snufkin]

With fan fixes you cant dodge Lieutenant. It was possible to run away from him in non modded Fallout. Someone even dodged him and stole key from locker + put explosives on guy to get the robes and escape.

https://youtu.be/T3Y798vKBeo?t=58

 

[NecroLord]

Never understood the purpose of sneaking.
I heard it's better implemented in Fallout 2.
But, come on, bro. We are talking supermutants. You need serious firepower and balls of steel. Cut them down and show them why you are the GigaChad Vault Dweller.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Suffer not the mutant the live
God Bless the Enclave

 

[Konjad]

With fan fixes you cant dodge Lieutenant. It was possible to run away from him in non modded Fallout. Someone even dodged him and stole key from locker + put explosives on guy to get the robes and escape.

https://youtu.be/T3Y798vKBeo?t=58

This dude got banned by speedrun community, because he was modifying the game, so I dunno

 

[agris]

You can tell Harry the supermutant in Necropolis to take you to the Mariposa Military base. There you are stripped of your belongings and put in a cell, where you find the 10mm gun and 3 stimpacks. You can lockpick the door.

No skills will allow you to escape, though, realistically. Unless maybe extreme levels of stealth, I don't know. No matter how good you are with guns, you won't get out, because you get one shot.

Every time I've talked to Harry about being taken to Lou, it immediately puts me in conversation with the Lieutenant talking head. I've never experienced being put in a cell before.

You say you're just using teamX 1.3.5 - are you sure you didn't incorporate some of wasteland ghost's old mods accidentally?

 

[Jigby]

You can tell Harry the supermutant in Necropolis to take you to the Mariposa Military base. There you are stripped of your belongings and put in a cell, where you find the 10mm gun and 3 stimpacks. You can lockpick the door.

No skills will allow you to escape, though, realistically. Unless maybe extreme levels of stealth, I don't know. No matter how good you are with guns, you won't get out, because you get one shot.

Every time I've talked to Harry about being taken to Lou, it immediately puts me in conversation with the Lieutenant talking head. I've never experienced being put in a cell before.

You say you're just using teamX 1.3.5 - are you sure you didn't incorporate some of wasteland ghost's old mods accidentally?

You're put into the cell after the interrogation with the Lieutenant if you manage to survive it.

 

[agris]

You can tell Harry the supermutant in Necropolis to take you to the Mariposa Military base. There you are stripped of your belongings and put in a cell, where you find the 10mm gun and 3 stimpacks. You can lockpick the door.

No skills will allow you to escape, though, realistically. Unless maybe extreme levels of stealth, I don't know. No matter how good you are with guns, you won't get out, because you get one shot.

Every time I've talked to Harry about being taken to Lou, it immediately puts me in conversation with the Lieutenant talking head. I've never experienced being put in a cell before.

You say you're just using teamX 1.3.5 - are you sure you didn't incorporate some of wasteland ghost's old mods accidentally?

You're put into the cell after the interrogation with the Lieutenant if you manage to survive it.

damn, learned something new!

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Lieutenant#Other_interactions

 

[Snufkin]

You can tell Harry the supermutant in Necropolis to take you to the Mariposa Military base. There you are stripped of your belongings and put in a cell, where you find the 10mm gun and 3 stimpacks. You can lockpick the door.

No skills will allow you to escape, though, realistically. Unless maybe extreme levels of stealth, I don't know. No matter how good you are with guns, you won't get out, because you get one shot.

Every time I've talked to Harry about being taken to Lou, it immediately puts me in conversation with the Lieutenant talking head. I've never experienced being put in a cell before.

You say you're just using teamX 1.3.5 - are you sure you didn't incorporate some of wasteland ghost's old mods accidentally?

You're put into the cell after the interrogation with the Lieutenant if you manage to survive it.

damn, learned something new!

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Lieutenant#Other_interactions

• Sneaking up on the Lieutenant (simply coming near his room will suffice) allows the Vault Dweller to overhear a conversation between him and Van Hagan concerning their imminent discovery of Vault 13. This is worth 1500 experience points

Whaaaa? You learn everyday. Xo

 

[agris]

hey Lexx , in EtTu is it possible to recover your stuff if thrown in the cell? this has the trapping of a great 80s jail break scene

 

[Bester]

hey Lexx , in EtTu is it possible to recover your stuff if thrown in the cell? this has the trapping of a great 80s jail break scene

In stock Fallout 1 with patch 1.35 you can. Two muties stand in your way (separated by corridors, they're not together), and all you have is a 10mm gun with one clip.

The way I did it was get a blinding shot on mutie 1. He immediately passed out, I looted his laser rifle and ran past him before he woke up. Unfortunately I'm useless with lasers. Couldn't make mutie 2 pass out, but he got stunned for a round and I took the rifle out of his hands. Then he fought on with bare hands.

Then you got a room of 3 muties, with whom I think you can talk your way out of a confrontation. But by the time I was finished with mutie 2, the alarm had sounded (you're on a timer, I think it'll sound no matter what), so they won't talk. I abused the TB system and ran into the room in combat mode, looted the gear and ran out.

Without savescumming hard, like real hard, this is mission impossible.

 

[GrafvonMoltke]

git gud

 

[agris]

hey Lexx , in EtTu is it possible to recover your stuff if thrown in the cell? this has the trapping of a great 80s jail break scene

In stock Fallout 1 with patch 1.35 you can. Two muties stand in your way (separated by corridors, they're not together), and all you have is a 10mm gun with one clip.

The way I did it was get a blinding shot on mutie 1. He immediately passed out, I looted his laser rifle and ran past him before he woke up. Unfortunately I'm useless with lasers. Couldn't make mutie 2 pass out, but he got stunned for a round and I took the rifle out of his hands. Then he fought on with bare hands.

Then you got a room of 3 muties, with whom I think you can talk your way out of a confrontation. But by the time I was finished with mutie 2, the alarm had sounded (you're on a timer, I think it'll sound no matter what), so they won't talk. I abused the TB system and ran into the room in combat mode, looted the gear and ran out.

Without savescumming hard, like real hard, this is mission impossible.

Awesome. Knowing you were going to do this, a crit unarmed / energy weapons build sounds like it would work without too much savesxumming.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I think this is why they made jailbreak so easy in Lionheart. You are faced with similar scenarios in Barcelona, and I was quite surprised you could actually go to jail and it wasn't a game over. Escaping was easy, but finding your way back to the city was not that simple since I was still underleveled and had nothing on my inventory. Although it does make sense that it's easier to break out from a 15th century jail as opposed to a high tech, 23rd century one.

 

[BruceVC]

I am playing FO1 for the first time with the Fixt mod and Im about 6 hours into the game

Its good fun, its taken me time to learn some of the basic mechanics but now Im comfortable with that and the left and right clicking required. I still am enjoying killing rats in Vault 15 and I always appreciate the specific targeting of enemies that Fallout games provides, I like to aim for the head

Further updates to follow once Im 30 hours or so in

No way you can spend 30h in f1

Why, what am I missing, I feel there is something I dont know?

 

[Gilius Thunderhead]

Pretty sure that when you're speaking with the Lieutenant, the real "sneak away" option is supposed to be making the Lieutenant try to punch and torture you, upon which you are supposed to run. He will come after you but quite slowly.

There are also a bunch of Children of the Cathedral guys nearby, it might be possible to kill one, get their card and robe then infiltrate away from Mariposa.

You can also bring a robe with you. I don't remember if I ever did it that way, but I always assumes that was the "infiltration" path to Mariposa.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

Pretty sure that when you're speaking with the Lieutenant, the real "sneak away" option is supposed to be making the Lieutenant try to punch and torture you, upon which you are supposed to run. He will come after you but quite slowly.

There are also a bunch of Children of the Cathedral guys nearby, it might be possible to kill one, get their card and robe then infiltrate away from Mariposa.

You can also bring a robe with you. I don't remember if I ever did it that way, but I always assumes that was the "infiltration" path to Mariposa.

Yes, its perfectly possible to bring a robe and infiltrate Mariposa that way. I've done it before.

You just have to talk correctly and then ignore the Lieutenant, then set the silent self-destruct to leave with no issues.

You can also evaesdrop on a conversion between a Children of the Cathedral guy and the Lieutenant about Vault 13, and gain XP.