JJ86
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I just found this article at RPG Times and thought it was a pretty good assessment of the lack of real MMORPG games.
Thankfully they are changing the jedi system...but I doubt I will be around much to see the improvements if there are any....there's only so much boredom a girl can take. I might pop back occasionally to smackdown some rebels...maybe.
LlamaGod said:What annoys me about the 'RPG' in MMORPG, is they all seem to think Roleplaying is where you put on funny clothes and talk like a retard. But I do believe, with enough work, you could still make a nice MMORPG with Roleplaying elements
Visionary said:You can't force people to role-play. Building a game that attempted to do so would be futile.
Role-play is different things to different people.
The difference with MMORPGs is that you are exposed to the whole range, which will put the extremists at odds with each other.
You can avoid most of the nonsense in many games by using the in-game societal mechanisms (guilds, chat channels, etc) to stick with kindred spirits. You won't be able to isolate yourself entirely, but unless you're a bit of a facist yourself you'll find it'll be down to a level where it doesn't interfere with enjoyment.
Some titles are worse than others, though. SWG is one of the worst because it draws players from places other than the rpg gaming community. I did find it pretty laughable that they made a huge deal aboutnames having to be in accordance with Star Wars feel, and then just let hordes of people run around with names like "XmontyPWNZU"
Exitium said:Powergaming is the bane of role-playing.
I don't recall that being the case with Fallout, Baldur's Gate or even KOTOR. Items just came as the game went along. Games like those had a completely different focus than Diablo, DS, NWN and Sacred.All single player RPG characters 'powergame', they are always looking for better stuff.
Exitium said:I don't recall that being the case with Fallout, Baldur's Gate or even KOTOR. Items just came as the game went along. Games like those had a completely different focus than Diablo, DS, NWN and Sacred.All single player RPG characters 'powergame', they are always looking for better stuff.
Problem being when you get a situation like the one the city/guild I was in had. Unless they are planned, cities in the game can start out badly, since within 24 hours of placing a city hall you need to have 10 citizens with houses declared in your city. If you don't - the city hall disappears - leaving you about 200,000 credits down and with nothing to show for it. So - if you just decide to start a city up, without having enough founding members, or you have the people, but they don't show up when they're supposed to, you are left with a choice - lose the city hall, or go and recruit random people. With the city I was a part of, some of the people didn't show up to declare residence on time, so different people were recruited rapidly in the worry that the city hall would go up in smoke. This meant that the new recruits weren't vetted - something that later became a trend. After a few weeks, rather than inviting cool people we got on with, there was a desire to grow and increase the city status quickly so we could get all the facilities. A shuttleport was the ultimate goal, and 55 members were needed to be able to place this. So, levelling up the city was the focus, rather than developing a community of any sort and building a successful trade/whatever centre. The city ended up being absolutely riddled with hologrinders. I needed an armoursmith - at one point we had three, so I thought I would go and ask them to make me some armour. They had all moved on to their next grinding profession. Same went for bio-engineers and chefs. All for the grind. I wouldn't say any of them were having real fun with it - it was a case of getting each profession done as quickly as possible. I can't imagine anything more mindnumbing.Visionary said:You can avoid most of the nonsense in many games by using the in-game societal mechanisms (guilds, chat channels, etc) to stick with kindred spirits. You won't be able to isolate yourself entirely, but unless you're a bit of a facist yourself you'll find it'll be down to a level where it doesn't interfere with enjoyment.
Some titles are worse than others, though. SWG is one of the worst because it draws players from places other than the rpg gaming community. I did find it pretty laughable that they made a huge deal aboutnames having to be in accordance with Star Wars feel, and then just let hordes of people run around with names like "XmontyPWNZU"
Vault Dweller said:As long as people are satisfied with pretty treadmills, things won't change.
Vault Dweller said:That's what I said. You've just developed it further by providing one of the reasons why people are satisfied with the way things are now.
Well, the main and often the only goal of MMORPGs is to level up. People are ok with that for many reasons.Mistress said:Sorry, your post seemed to be more aimed at the people who play the game to level etc
I was actually cooking for my wife hence the short post. Don't women cook anymore?I was trying to finish my post quickly before my boyfriend finished cooking so I may not have read you properly!
They don't have any great numbers, for every hundred disappointed people who want more, there are several thousand morons who don't or wouldn't know what to do with "more" if they had it. The same is true for other RPGs and it explains critically acclaimed hits like NWN and KOTOR.Still...there are a lot of people who aren't satisfied, or at least give the impression that they aren't through their posts on the official forums. They aren't voting with their feet yet though, not in any great numbers, so the likelihood of radical change is extremely small.
Vault Dweller said:Well, the main and often the only goal of MMORPGs is to level up. People are ok with that for many reasons.Mistress said:Sorry, your post seemed to be more aimed at the people who play the game to level etc
I was actually cooking for my wife hence the short post. Don't women cook anymore?I was trying to finish my post quickly before my boyfriend finished cooking so I may not have read you properly!
They don't have any great numbers, for every hundred disappointed people who want more, there are several thousand morons who don't or wouldn't know what to do with "more" if they had it. The same is true for other RPGs and it explains critically acclaimed hits like NWN and KOTOR.Still...there are a lot of people who aren't satisfied, or at least give the impression that they aren't through their posts on the official forums. They aren't voting with their feet yet though, not in any great numbers, so the likelihood of radical change is extremely small.
It would be nice if I could beat the crap out of my party members though, I don't think they could possibly be more annoying...unless they were 15 year old hologrinders that is