Graphic Artist with design aspirations:

[Rosh]

I love these fools. "Oh, look...I'm an artist for Bloodrayne 2, hey, I know design now! Change Fallout to a FPS! IT WOULD ROXORSLOLOLO!!!!"

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewto ... 619#109619

Here's their resume:

http://www.squonkamatic.net/nv-grafix/about.html

I will have to have a talk with..wait...is there anyone of note at Terminal Reality? Well, that assumes anyone really wants to have much to do with Terminal Reality.

That's the lesson for today: Stay away from Terminal Reality. There's something catching in the game industry, and it appears to be much like the AIDS alarm in the porn industry. I have no problems whatsoever in removing Terminal Reality from uh...reality.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Damnit Rosh, stop trying to make thread titles that describe me (to a point, anyway)

 

[Rosh]

Heh, it was meant as a friendly poke at Gareth, whom I have wanted to see in a design position. I haven't seem him around lately and wonder what's going on. He was one of the few artists I have seen that also had a good sense of design, a rare and a valuable thing (it tends to save a lot of work in production).

 

[Sol Invictus]

I have no illusions that three dimensional graphics these days is superior in every way to 2d, provided it's done well, but from an artistic point of view, I still prefer an isometric camera set up over a free-floating one. It's a lot easier to manage, for starters. That, and it looks nicer and feels better because you won't have to deal with angle-related problems, 'automated' camera movement, and jagged edges around the buildings.

As for turning Fallout into a first person experience, I am against it. It wouldn't have the same feel as the original game. Though, I'm not against first person RPGs in general. If I was, I wouldn't be looking forward to Vampire.

I hate how that moron seems to be of the belief that everyone and their grandfathers prefer the first person view over isometric. If that were the case, Battlezone would have outsold Total Annihilation. If there's one thing about RPGs, it's the paperdoll aspect.

I wonder what makes Dungeon Siege II so appealing. Could one of the reasons be that you can see what your character is wearing?

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

I think that, much like Rosh pointed out, 2D still remains much more detailed than 3D. 3D tends to lend itself to a more simplistic design, and despite it having good possibilities, most 3D offerings are usually devoid of that. Like you, i believe that from an artistic point of view, 2D has offered more than 3D has offered up to this point - which obviously isn't to say 3D can't offer the same, it's just not being done more, or as well as it could.

 

[Grandmaster_Woo'Ta]

He's a moron for what saying that Fallout should be done in 1st person? Admittedly, it goes totally against what Fallout is, but 1st person RPGs are not a bad thing. Just take Vampire as an example. Morrowind, despite not being that great, had a 1st person view, and I think it actually helped it. If you want to get into more advanced gameplay mechanics, you almost have to. Swimming and flying are very difficult to do in a 3rd person view.

 

[Rosh]

He's a moron for what saying that Fallout should be done in 1st person?

Well, yes. The mechanics would have to be changed to suit a FPS style of gameplay.

Admittedly, it goes totally against what Fallout is, but 1st person RPGs are not a bad thing.

Not at all, if it would suit what they are making it for. Just because some artist for Bloodrayne 2 thinks it should be first-person because that's all he understands, while believing that FPS RPGs are the "natural evolution" of the genre, that really doesn't give any validation for the topic.

We even have a warning label for people to not bring up that subject because most of the regulars got tired of that idea and FOOL topics.

If you want to get into more advanced gameplay mechanics, you almost have to. Swimming and flying are very difficult to do in a 3rd person view.

Apparently, you haven't seen many games out there who have done exactly what you describe, outside of FP perspective, and do it well. Please do not use your ignorant conclusions as some sort of factual point.

Ironically enough, more can be expressed through third person, from customization of your looks to being aware of more than just a very narrow POV.

 

[Shevek]

FO in first or even third person when roaming might work so long as it switched to isometric or top down when combat is initiated by the player or hostiles appear. Some party based games have done it that way (to capture the advantages of both FP roaming and tactical overhead views) in the past and you might not have to change many of the mechanics (though would it really be worth it? hmm, FP doesnt necessarily equal more immersive to many either...). But a FO fps ala System Shock or Deus Ex? Hrmmm, I dunno about that. That seems like a piss poor way to go with SPECIAL (sequence, tactically way dumbed down, etc) if you ask me and it seems such a title wouldnt work well with a setting that isnt meant to be as combat heavy as most.

 

[Rosh]

I don't have a problem with a variety or difference in roaming, as long as the character system isn't really affected to the point where it loses the P&P feel, and the TB combat isn't lobotomized. Still, the changes in roaming aren't that warranted, and they don't really follow the pulp feel the CRPGs had.

I love the idiot's new arguments. "I am to be taken seriously about FP being the future, because I'm probably more knowledgeable about graphics than you all!"

Hmmm, it might be time to see if I can get someone else to lose their job for gross stupidity/incompetence.

 

[Sol Invictus]

I replied.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewto ... 970#109970

 

[Rosh]

I saw. Now you know my pain. It's not the fact that FPS/RPG hybrids are bad to some people (I like them in controlled amounts), it's that they showed total disregard to any sense of design to the topic.

He still kept up with the "EvOLUSHUN! NARR!!!NARR!!!NARRRR!!NHURRRRRRR!!!" arguemnt for FP perspective.

Some people would feel bad about beating the shit out of a 'tard in a wheelchair, which is essentially what happened tonight, but not us. Mercy is only viable to offer if they were those who could fathom the true meaning behind the concept. Most people, I'm afraid, do not. They think it is just something to reach a bit more and test my patience. I gave that poor boy so many warnings and explained exactly why people weren't quite thrilled with the bullshit, and they finally get that they might have posted a forbidden topic? I pointed that out in my first post. There's a LOT not too right with that boy.

Note to self: Laugh at any job offers from Terminal Cluelessness. Another uninspired developer house that when it finally collapses, people would hardly notice.

 

[Sol Invictus]

I kind of missed the part where he said the following:

But think about it, why was Fallout made the way it was in the first place? It was the tried and true way.remember, there were very few first person RPGs back then, they weren't as popular or as common, the genre wasn't as deeply explored as it is now. (no Deus Ex, no Morrowind, no Chronicles of Riddick)

I'm glad you and Saint did, though.

 

[Rosh]

Yeah...it looks like NMA has its own Volourn now.

 

[Adraeus]

Why would you care if there were a Fallout FPS? You may not like it, but others will. You don't have to play it. You're not required. If you don't want to play the fucking game, shut up.

With that said, I'd play any of these: a Fallout FPS, a Fallout MMO/RPG, Fallout 3+, or the upcoming Fallout mod for NWN. You can't say with reasonable certainty that a Fallout game with a different system is not going to be Falloutish. Clearly, another Fallout with a different system is not going to be the same, and being the same isn't the objective. You're just a prejudicial nobody if you say it'll be worse or better.

 

[Rosh]

Why would you care if there were a Fallout FPS?

Well, aside from the fact that Interplay pretty much already killed the franchise, that would be a sure thing if they listened to you. "Flavoring" is the design refuse of morons and GameSpy, but has little basis or success in the market.

I could also point out another series that died when the fans of X-COM didn't like the gameplay mechanics of a FPS and turned their nose up at a certain game. Your homework, unless you're going to ignore this and go for more clueless whining, is to come up with the name of that game.

You may not like it, but others will.

You might like it, but the Fallout fans over time have loathed the idea and what it would most likely result in.

You don't have to play it. You're not required. If you don't want to play the fucking game, shut up.

Oh, this is entirely too amusing. A Fallout FPS would be much like the joke used for the Fallout console game.

If your poor understanding of the game industry hasn't addled you enough, maybe you'd like to take a look at how the other Fallout spin-offs were handled, and how they failed.

If you can't understand the industry, how about YOU instead be the one to shut up?

With that said, I'd play any of these: a Fallout FPS, a Fallout MMO/RPG

That's because you're a vapid moron without any sense of gameplay mechanics and design.

You can't say with reasonable certainty that a Fallout game with a different system is not going to be Falloutish. Clearly, another Fallout with a different system is not going to be the same, and being the same isn't the objective.

Fallout's design was done the way it was for a reason. I'm sorry you're too stupid and naive of the industry to understand why. I'm sorry you're too engrossed with mentally jacking off to understand why Fallout had a pulpish design tone intended for it. Everything from the style of the game to the character mechanics would have to be skullfucked for a Fallout FPS and the rest of the idiocy you've cared to share with us. Keeping the setting in a Fallout MMORPG couldn't be done right, due to the nature of the population and how people would kill off entire cities in FOOL, unless you butchered the setting even more.

You're just a prejudicial nobody if you say it'll be worse or better.

Really? I should try to accomodate you and not make you into a liar.

Nigger. There, am I prejudiced now?

 

[Adraeus]

If I'm vapid, why are you replying to me? Oh, nevermind, I figured it out long ago. The majority of the active rpgcodex forum participants are uptight and unruly prejudicial nerds who lack the sense or willpower to evade vapidity. Instead, they--and especially you--indulge in mental masturbation since they can't get The Real Thingâ„¢.

Was it good for you too?

 

[Rosh]

If I'm vapid, why are you replying to me?

The stupid should be punished, or if they are too stupid to know when they should castrate themselves with a rusty pair of gardening shears, then we make a public mockery of them to entice the next idiot to join in with their own version of how they know the gaming industry and gaming history from a mere handful of years' experience and what they can look up on MobyGames.

Your waste of bandwidth will likely prompt a few replies, but undoubtedly a lot of muttered "Great, another moron with no clue about the Fallout setting or franchise, likely a bastard child of Chuck Cuevas. Why can't this inbreeding die off?"

Or their own equivalent in their language. Tell me, are you any good at cooking french fries?

 

[Adraeus]

Tell me, are you any good at cooking french fries?

Those are called "Freedom Fries" now. Oh where have you been.

The stupid should be punished, or if they are too stupid to know when they should castrate themselves with a rusty pair of gardening shears, then we make a public mockery of them to entice the next idiot to join in...

That's ignorantly barbaric. If everyone adopted the same socialization methods, I'm reasonably certain that you would be first to be "punished." It's ideas like yours that influence the degradation of education around the globe. I'm not surprised that the stupid remain stupid.

 

[Rosh]

Tell me, are you any good at cooking french fries?

Those are called "Freedom Fries" now. Oh where have you been.

First off, that goes by the assumption that I'm American, or for that matter, part of the continental USA.

Next, I suppose I do have my answer. I was going to suggest that you might have good prospects in the fast food industry, but here you go and amaze me with the sterling manner in which you keep up with fast food media. I am truly impressed. (Pssst, I think someone's nearing the drive-through now, you might want to go take care of that.)

Go YOU!

That's ignorantly barbaric. If everyone adopted the same socialization methods, I'm reasonably certain that you would be first to be "punished."

No, that's part of LEARNING. Welcome to real school, where we aren't going to worry about your feelings, or whether your cat died this morning because it was puking up maggots. You either know the subject or you end up mocked. It's pretty much the same as reality, which I suggest you subscribe to soon. If you talked ignorant shit about your job in front of your boss, do you really think you're going to be considered for a raise? Or how about on the street, if you started butting into a conversation without having any relevance to the discussion and sound like an idiot. You'd likely be pushed away or beaten, depending upon where you live.

Considering that you reek of US suburbanite trash, I'm not surprised you have no idea how the real world works.

 

[Adraeus]

Awww, how cool! I've managed to impress a child.

...but damn, that's not too difficult.

 

[Rosh]

Awww, how cool! I've managed to impress a child.

...but damn, that's not too difficult.

Well, as your lack of any relevance to the discussion is proven yet again, I think I pointed out that I have written and executed code before your twin idiot brother at NMA was even born (feel free to join in there if you wish, more amusement for all).

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Why would you care if there were a Fallout FPS? You may not like it, but others will. You don't have to play it. You're not required. If you don't want to play the fucking game, shut up.

He, and anyone else for that matter, has as much of a right to dislike it as you have to like it. If he believes its a bad idea, let him say why instead of resorting to kindergarden statements like "if you don't like it, don't play it". Its not something that can be dismissed with childish taunts.

With that said, I'd play any of these: a Fallout FPS, a Fallout MMO/RPG, Fallout 3+, or the upcoming Fallout mod for NWN. You can't say with reasonable certainty that a Fallout game with a different system is not going to be Falloutish.

Define "Falloutish". Are you implying a game doesn't have to play like Fallout to feel like it's Fallout?

Clearly, another Fallout with a different system is not going to be the same, and being the same isn't the objective.

If being different is the objective, then why not be completely different? Why cripple part of a game, or do a hack job pastiche, when there's always the possibility to create something new? You'll only be alienating part of a fanbase, and leaving the other fanbase in the dark. This was one of the problems pointed to Brotherhood of Steel. Taking the original game and breaking it to fit the a new genre and a new audience took the interest away from the original fanbase, and left the console fanbase indifferent to it, due to their ignorance of the original.

 

[Volourn]

FO in 1P is unacceptable. I'm bias though so I'll leave it at that.

It's just wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[Raymondo]

Tell me, are you any good at cooking french fries?

Those are called "Freedom Fries" now. Oh where have you been.

They are called 'chips', WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?[/i]

 

[Constipated Craprunner]

Yeah...it looks like NMA has its own Volourn now.

*runs off into the bathroom, crying*

and some more pointers on fletching an arbalest

Where did you come up with a giant crossbow?

I seriously doubt the guy was working on Bloodrayne Two. If he'd have said the next ValuSoft blockbuster, I might have belived him, but I doubt "Bloodrayne", even if the first was lame.