World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming early 2025

[Skinwalker]

@Skinwalker I think you're gonna need a longer list for VTMB2. Just sayin'.

You sure? Well, ok, if you insist:

Phyresisters:

1. Rougay
2. Abu Antar
3. Child of Malkav

 

[The President]

Isn't that an issue common in the New World? Hell, in Bloodlines LA had Primogen and Barons who wouldn't have been considered proper Elders back in Europe.

The new world has its shares of elders and methuselahs, just none of them are originally from that part of the world.

And isn't he always ordered around by strong younger females, from the princess to the Anarch leader ?

Pretty much, but they always comment how valued he is and that if he had wanted to it would be him as prince. I guess that’s supposed to make him feel better.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Skinwalker You retarded furry fuck. No wonder you're the village idiot. Well deserved. Dumb cunt.

 

[Skinwalker]

the two people on skinwalker's list don't even have the game in their steam libraries

Oh yes, I completely forgot.

Phyresisters:

1. Rougay
2. Abu Antar
3. CHILD OF MALKAV WILL PLAY THIS THE MOMENT IT LAUNCHES
4. Jenkem

 

[Child of Malkav]

Skinwalker Where did I say that, cat fucker?

 

[Storyfag]

By Caine, stop being so touchy. This is one of the few moments Liberal makes a good natured jest.

 

[NecroLord]

I hate the Brujah...

 

[La vie sexuelle]

I think it's a matter of light, but these proportions... what were they thinking?

Probably to have similiar models so all the animations will play correctly.

I thought about that too. What's more, I suspect that originally there was no sexual dimorphism, just a patterned "they". Note that men and more gendered hairstyles have only recently emerged.

Which brings me to another extremely important question - how sexy will this game be? There's a BBW queen in a red dress, which doesn't really suit my tastes, but what about the rest?

It's absolutely terrible that all the sex in the Vampire world has gone from "wow, goth chicks in leather!", to the bland romance à la Rice in Requiem, to this genderless hell.

 

[Semiurge]

20-somethings who are actually 3 billion years old = typical vampire fantasy

20-somethings who behave exactly like modern 20-somethings = hello fellow kids, vampire edition

I don't get the angle. Are they trying to get the True Blood audience?

True Blood vampers fell into the first category, they all showed their age in every way except appearance. There was a contradiction about appearances though, in the show one vamper mentions that they stay exactly the same as the day they were sired, and yet the viking vamper Eric(?) gets a haircut in the second season or so. It's never brought up if he has his hair cut every night, and other vampers also have varying appearances in their many flashbacks.

I hate the Brujah...

Whatever your reasons, now they will be even worse.

A grim specter of the past

 

[Skinwalker]

By Caine, stop being so touchy. This is one of the few moments Liberal makes a good natured jest.

Phyresisters:

1. Rougay
2. Abu Antar
3. CHILD OF MALKAV
4. Jenkem
5. Storyfag

 

[NecroLord]

20-somethings who are actually 3 billion years old = typical vampire fantasy

20-somethings who behave exactly like modern 20-somethings = hello fellow kids, vampire edition

I don't get the angle. Are they trying to get the True Blood audience?

True Blood vampers fell into the first category, they all showed their age in every way except appearance. There was a contradiction about appearances though, in the show one vamper mentions that they stay exactly the same as the day they were sired, and yet the viking vamper Eric(?) gets a haircut in the second season or so. It's never brought up if he has his hair cut every night, and other vampers also have varying appearances in their many flashbacks.

I hate the Brujah...

Whatever your reasons, now they will be even worse.

A grim specter of the past

Virgin Brujah frenzying bitch vs Chad Toreador appreciator of art, beauty and humanity.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

Humanity? Shouldn't a vampire worship some superhuman ideal?

 

[Caim]

Humanity? Shouldn't a vampire worship some superhuman ideal?

Camarilla prefer to stick to the Path of Humanity to keep them human enough to keep the Masquerade up. It's the Sabbat who go on that edgy shit with the Paths.

 

[Storyfag]

By Caine, stop being so touchy. This is one of the few moments Liberal makes a good natured jest.

Phyresisters:

1. Rougay
2. Abu Antar
3. CHILD OF MALKAV
4. Jenkem
5. Storyfag

It will place itself on the list, or else it will get the hose again!

 

[La vie sexuelle]

Humanity? Shouldn't a vampire worship some superhuman ideal?

Camarilla prefer to stick to the Path of Humanity to keep them human enough to keep the Masquerade up. It's the Sabbat who go on that edgy shit with the Paths.

Now it occurred to me - wouldn't that make Carmilla gullible, cryptohuman worshipers, and Sabbat the ones who sincerely embrace what they are? And yet it is the former who are perceived as "better", even if their actions are similar to those of the latter.

It doesn't surprise me at all. The game was created by very leftist creators, and this twisted mentality of "I'm better because I'm worse" is very leftist

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Sabbat are a bunch of dumb fucks who fail to acknowledge what happens when vampires fail to hide their existence from the general population.

And vampirism, for all the temporal power it offers, is* a curse. In the cosmic grand scale of the setting, all vampires are stuck with a losing hand.

*or at least was, back in the day.

 

[Vincente]

Now it occurred to me - wouldn't that make Carmilla gullible, cryptohuman worshipers, and Sabbat the ones who sincerely embrace what they are? And yet it is the former who are perceived as "better", even if their actions are similar to those of the latter.

 

[Semiurge]

Sabbat are a bunch of dumb fucks who fail to acknowledge what happens when vampires fail to hide their existence from the general population.

And vampirism, for all the temporal power it offers, is* a curse. In the cosmic grand scale of the setting, all vampires are stuck with a losing hand.

*or at least was, back in the day.

Abandoning the Redemption setting is a part of the broad trend of secularisation. Now Masquerade vampires are superhumans, albeit with some unique kryptonites of their own.

 

[Caim]

Humanity? Shouldn't a vampire worship some superhuman ideal?

Camarilla prefer to stick to the Path of Humanity to keep them human enough to keep the Masquerade up. It's the Sabbat who go on that edgy shit with the Paths.

Now it occurred to me - wouldn't that make Carmilla gullible, cryptohuman worshipers, and Sabbat the ones who sincerely embrace what they are? And yet it is the former who are perceived as "better", even if their actions are similar to those of the latter.

It doesn't surprise me at all. The game was created by very leftist creators, and this twisted mentality of "I'm better because I'm worse" is very leftist

The Camarilla is just a massive pyramid scheme by the founders to keep themselves in power and the younger generations in line, throwing them morsels to keep them from staging another Anarch Revolt. In turn, the Sabbat pretend that everyone is free to do however they please, but the Sabbat is still a den of politicing and backstabbing, it's just more in vogue to eat your enemies without a coverup. And while the Sabbat can be very bloody and unsubtle in their actions, the Elders know that if the Masquerade is broken their ass is grass, so they have to send out cover up crews to keep things in check. They just have to be subtle about it.

It's how the two contrast: the Camarilla put on a show of civility while being monsters in the dark, while the Sabbat are openly monstrous with their leaders showing restraint out of sight. The third big group, the Anarchs, are more true to what they pretend they are, but their lack of a formal structure and power base means that they make easy targets for the more organized other sects if they lack the strenght or numbers to even the odds.

 

[Storyfag]

It's how the two contrast: the Camarilla put on a show of civility while being monsters in the dark, while the Sabbat are openly monstrous with their leaders showing restraint out of sight. The third big group, the Anarchs, are more true to what they pretend they are

My view is such: while the Camarilla pretends to be humane, the (current day, not the OG Anarch Revolt) Anarchs, disgustingly, actually admire the Kine. Into the vohzd pit with them!

 

[Caim]

It's how the two contrast: the Camarilla put on a show of civility while being monsters in the dark, while the Sabbat are openly monstrous with their leaders showing restraint out of sight. The third big group, the Anarchs, are more true to what they pretend they are

My view is such: while the Camarilla pretends to be humane, the (current day, not the OG Anarch Revolt) Anarchs, disgustingly, actually admire the Kine. Into the vohzd pit with them!

In a sense it's all very meta. When someone is first Embraced they try to keep hold of their initial lives and try to remain human despite what they have become. But as the years pass and the city they used to know starts to change, their mortal families pass away and they lose touch with current culture they start to become more and more detached from humanity, seeing them as interchangable tools judged only by their usefulness until they are acknowledged as nothing but a thing that exists, with an Elder's attention being soley aimed at their peers, superior and subordinates. The Sabbat threw all of this off in an act of rebellion, but even they know that they have forever detached themselves from humanity.

But the Anarchs as an immature sect is still a mere neonate in the eyes of the Elders. The founders of the Camarilla are about a millenium old, and even they are mere whelps to the true ancients that lie in torpor. Funny thing is that as factions the Camarilla and Anarchs came to be at the same time, but where the Camarilla jumped at the chance to unite the Anarchs lagged behind. And in modern nights after a century of various conflicts the Anarchs are slowly shaping into a proper sect with everything that entails. And when they're a true power block of their own, will they still identify with the Kine or will they just be another Camarilla?

 

[Rahdulan]

The Camarilla is just a massive pyramid scheme by the founders to keep themselves in power and the younger generations in line, throwing them morsels to keep them from staging another Anarch Revolt. In turn, the Sabbat pretend that everyone is free to do however they please, but the Sabbat is still a den of politicing and backstabbing, it's just more in vogue to eat your enemies without a coverup. And while the Sabbat can be very bloody and unsubtle in their actions, the Elders know that if the Masquerade is broken their ass is grass, so they have to send out cover up crews to keep things in check. They just have to be subtle about it.

I think it's also worth noting some now-Elders are in Sabbat purely because they didn't want to be in Camarilla and not because they believe in Sabbat's ideology. If you have the power to handle monomancy attempts I suspect you'd be perfectly fine pursuing whatever agenda you personally have going on. General impression of Sabbat is one of aloof Elders doing their thing and embraced-yesterday Shovelheads gangs with this scarce middle management between that PCs are supposed to rise up to. Amusingly enough inherent difference between the two sects is even pointed out in-universe: Camarilla refers to its members as Kindred whereas Sabbat openly accepts they're Vampires.

 

[True Ukrainian]

Now it occurred to me - wouldn't that make Carmilla gullible, cryptohuman worshipers, and Sabbat the ones who sincerely embrace what they are? And yet it is the former who are perceived as "better", even if their actions are similar to those of the latter.

The Path of Humanity is the easiest and lowest maintenance path to follow. Following the more esoteric paths bears the risk of completely going insane since the Vampire no longer has a humanity buffer to maintain their rationality.

Even so, some Camarilla vampires don't follow the path of humanity. The ravnos follow the path of paradox. The assamites follow the path of blood.

 

[Storyfag]

Amusingly enough inherent difference between the two sects is even pointed out in-universe: Camarilla refers to its members as Kindred whereas Sabbat openly accepts they're Vampires.

Cainites.