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Night watch

amorax

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I was looking for games made by Nival interactive (the guys behind silent storm and H&S) when I stumbled upon this game. It looks interesting, and I was just wondering if there happened to be any codexers here who have played this game, and if you have, what is your opinion of it?
 

Zeros

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I had the hopes it'd be at least like silent storm -in terms of the tactical 'choices' given during the missions plus the europe map that lets you choose missions- but I was very dissappointed. It's pretty much linear, no C&C whatsoever.

It feels (even more?) unpolished than SS too.

The turnbased combat seemed...okay. Dont know up to which point they really use the engine for combats the way it was used in SS, since you pretty much have to melee people sooner or later.

I also approached it because of Night Watch itself, but considering what I mentioned previously, I just went meh and never bothered to finish it. It was fun the first few missions because of the license/setting -I think I like fantasy-esque stuffs set in current times- but the engine and badly designed encounters (or just plain not interesting) made me give it up.

I think there is a demo of it, give it a try since it's the first two levels I think. The full game is really like that, only in different places and with more powers.
 

Jason

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I got enough enjoyment out of it to spring for the sequel, but I can't really recommend it to others partly because of the reasons Zeros mentioned. Too linear (fight, cutscene, fight, cutscene), lack of interesting combat options, the "Gloom" was just a pointless annoyance since you're forced to use it in 97% of the battles, terrible dialogue, nonsensical story (even after watching the movie), etc. In its defense, the non-traditional fantasy setting is welcome, the graphics are nice (primarily the character models and dingy levels), the combat was fun when I was in the mood for somewhat mindless TB, and zapping someone with telekinesis never got old.

Dont know up to which point they really use the engine for combats the way it was used in SS, since you pretty much have to melee people sooner or later.
You can go through most of the game without melee playing as a mage. The only time I remember using melee was when I was forced to use the werewolf chick. And even then, you can equip her with flashlights and guns to avoid it.
 
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amorax said:
I was looking for games made by Nival interactive (the guys behind silent storm and H&S) when I stumbled upon this game. It looks interesting, and I was just wondering if there happened to be any codexers here who have played this game, and if you have, what is your opinion of it?

The first game, Night Watch, is an obvious rush to make some money out of the movie: Amateurish, badly written, an almost terminal lack of polish. The practice of using clips from the movies as silent cutscenes between chapters was an artifact of times past, when ocean and others ruled still the land of movie-to-game conversions. It made me want to facepalm.

The storyline is a mixture of elements from the movies and elements from the books, but again rushed and badly written. What should happen in a matter of months happens in a matter of two or three nights, killing all potential atmosphere and sense. The main character knows things because it is asumed the player knows them or because the plot demans he knows them, but the character shouldn't know them. The main character is ridiculous powerfull at the end of the game, and i mean of almost Gesser or Zavulon level. And that they end the storyline with a "power of love" moment was just shameful.

At times it seems more like a checklist than a storyline: Olga? Check. Tigercub? Check. Zavulon? Check. Gesser? Check. Alice? Check. Twilight's Mirror? Check. That inquisitor from the first book? Check. That all those things, and many more, happen to a guy who have just "awakened" (including TWO close encounters with Zavulon's wrath) and he lives through it all is lame at best, when the setting could do so much more.

The second game, Day Watch, is much better. It is more polished, has a weirder plot and a couple of cool things. You no longer play the moron from the first game, but the only character from that game that was actually somewhat interesting and some slight measure of charm. At the begining of each mission you have a weird minigame that let's you raise or lower the dificulty level, or just leave it as it is and instead activate "secrets" as extra encounters, diferent dialogues, "diplomatic" solutions for some of the harder situations, and party banter. Most of the levels have also "secrets" in designs you can discover and then magickally apply to your clothes and general look, in case that kind of thing appeals to you.

It isn't awesome, it isn't revolutionary, and it still looks and feels more like a Mod than it should, but this time you can actually have some fun with it. Some of the levels can be pretty harsh if you just leave the dificulty as it is or raise it a notch or two, and you get to kill hordes of hypocrite Light Ones by means of throwing enchanted tenis balls at them.

[Edit] Conclusion: Get the second one without removing nothing from an inventory or if it is super-cheap, only. Do not get the first one but if you are a hardcore fan of the setting and have a high saving throw against Lame.

baby arm said:
nonsensical story (even after watching the movie)

The story of the first game makes a lot more sense if you have read the books, since instead of following either they decided to follow both while both usually contradict each other in meaning or theme. And, regardless of it making more sense, it is still pretty awful.
 

Lesifoere

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Speaking of which, the books--I tried to read Night Watch and found it incredibly craptacular, with very, very basic writing: dumbed-down young adult level of language, shitty dialogue, flat boring setting (could've taken place in generic American Urbania),stale generic tropes (the "dark" and the "light"? For serious? Day Watch sounds like Twilight). But I seem to be alone in that opinion. What?
 
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Lesifoere said:
Speaking of which, the books--I tried to read Night Watch and found it incredibly craptacular, with very, very basic writing: dumbed-down young adult level of language, shitty dialogue, flat boring setting (could've taken place in generic American Urbania). But I seem to be alone in that opinion. What?

It has some pretty awful Fail, yes. The level of it reached, for an example, by the last rooftop battle on the first book and the first story on the second one was something beyond languages, cultures, and national borders - I was filled by shame of having such thing in my hands, and there were a couple of times when i wanted to facepalm so hard as to break my nose. Since i did read the spanish translation, that i understand is one of the better ones, language is no excuse.

But it gets better later, or at least it did for me. I still haven't read the third book yet, but the second story from Day Watch is pretty cool and the third one is quite amusing, for what they are. There is also a lot of symbolism in there, even if most of it i believe to be accidental and subconsious more often than not, or maybe taken from other works of fiction somewhat inspired by occult symbols and the like. A friend of mine and i had great fun playing "Catch the occult reference" with the books, but then we do that with almost everything we get in our bored claws.

So i guess it depends on how much of an elitist you are, and i do not not say it in an ofensive way. If you are the kind of person who can get some perverse, guilty pleasure out of reading the fluffy chapters of Old WoD books, indulging in the pseudo-goth pulp and catching both occult references and references to better, greater, more serious fiction, maybe you should give it another chance, particularly to the second book. If not, then do not even try: It has that level of writing, and it isn't high literature by any strecht of the concept.

[Edit]It is still miles ahead of anything Anne Rice has ever written, though.
 

Helton

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Speaking of which, the movies sucked as well. I think in general it is just a good idea to avoid this brand in the future.
 

Dark Elf

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The Rambling Sage said:
including TWO close encounters

... I've had too much exposure to the Codex. It took me several seconds to realise it was the number two and not a Planescape acronym.
 

Lesifoere

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The Rambling Sage said:
So i guess it depends on how much of an elitist you are, and i do not not say it in an ofensive way. If you are the kind of person who can get some perverse, guilty pleasure out of reading the fluffy chapters of Old WoD books, indulging in the pseudo-goth pulp and catching both occult references and references to better, greater, more serious fiction, maybe you should give it another chance, particularly to the second book. If not, then do not even try: It has that level of writing, and it isn't high literature by any strecht of the concept.

Yeah, see, but I enjoyed the Witcher books in translation. I don't think you can get any less elitist than that, short of gobbling up Harry Potter, Twilight, and... okay, I guess I am elitist about reading. But it's really not about Night Watch not being SERIUS BIZNESS fiction. I was just appalled at the language being so flat and basic, the concepts being so tired and all the rest. Maybe it was a translation mishap.

[Edit]It is still miles ahead of anything Anne Rice has ever written, though.

You can't beat Lestat sucking on menses-soaked sanitary pad.
 

jorgamesh

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Where can I buy Day Watch boxed version (online with paypal option)? Night watch is available but I can`t find Day Watch even on e-bay.
 

dragonfk

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Damn, either polish translation of the books were superb or I am very very very forgiving OR I have very very very bad taste because I liked whole tetralogy.
 

MetalCraze

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Lesifoere said:
Speaking of which, the books--I tried to read Night Watch and found it incredibly craptacular, with very, very basic writing: dumbed-down young adult level of language, shitty dialogue, flat boring setting (could've taken place in generic American Urbania),stale generic tropes (the "dark" and the "light"? For serious? Day Watch sounds like Twilight). But I seem to be alone in that opinion. What?

Say thank you that you didn't see first minutes of the movie and throw up.
 

Korgan

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inwoker said:
Night Watch is shitty book. So is every book by Lukyanenko. Period.
Some of his earlier stuff was really solid. The Autumn Visits is definitely literature, and his space operas are fun, despite being MoO fanfiction. Unfortunately, none of this will probably ever come out in English.
Oh, and he once wrote a sex scene involving a water elemental. It was so bad it wasn't even funny.
 

Worm King

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skyway said:
Lesifoere said:
Speaking of which, the books--I tried to read Night Watch and found it incredibly craptacular, with very, very basic writing: dumbed-down young adult level of language, shitty dialogue, flat boring setting (could've taken place in generic American Urbania),stale generic tropes (the "dark" and the "light"? For serious? Day Watch sounds like Twilight). But I seem to be alone in that opinion. What?

Say thank you that you didn't see first minutes of the movie and throw up.

I have to agree with you on this one. Russians are too eager to mimic Hollywood and produce these extremely shitty "AAA" ripoffs. I'd rather they would develop their own style.

Take, for example, that Inhabited Island piece of shit that they're terribly proud of. Some blond Aryan buffed up male is running around ninja kicking bad guys, basically. That's supposed to be SF.
 

Hamster

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Worm King said:
Take, for example, that Inhabited Island piece of shit that they're terribly proud of. Some blond Aryan buffed up male is running around ninja kicking bad guys, basically. That's supposed to be SF.

I wonder what is that about Inhabited Island that makes so many retards think that hating it makes them look cool and intelligent...
 

hiver

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Speaking of which, the books--I tried to read Night Watch and found it incredibly craptacular, with very, very basic writing: dumbed-down young adult level of language, shitty dialogue, flat boring setting (could've taken place in generic American Urbania),stale generic tropes (the "dark" and the "light"? For serious? Day Watch sounds like Twilight). But I seem to be alone in that opinion. What?

I never could figure out what people see in these.
Movies were especially awful.
 

Tolknaz

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I for one enjoyed the movies for what they are. They may not be Solayris or Stalker but they mop the floor with most of their western equivalents today just as these classics did back then in their genre. You can't expect The Usual Suspects quality writing from a simple action flick after all.

As for games, the second is certainly much better like others have already stated. That's not saying much though.
 

cutterjohn

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As to the books:
Well, I guess it's nice to know that it more than just a truly shit Enlgish translation that made Night Watch, so far, truly inane. Of course it makes me work harder now as I'd like to complete the books just for completion's sake, however I was already struggling and trying to convince myself that they would get better! Thanks alot for bursting my bubble.

The Witcher 1st book in English seems to have a better translation than I was led to expect, however there are a few occasions of oddly used phrases and "stiff" language, but overall it comes across as nice dark fantasy along the lines Fafhrd & The Grey Mouser series and others...
 

Lesifoere

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Witcher books in English are pretty good, yeah. Actually pretty funny in parts, strange language and all. I noticed that in some ways, the tone and register of the translation is somewhat similar to translations of Old English texts--maybe it's because Polish is much more Germanic than modern English.
 

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