Prosper Are video games contemporary art? DISCUSS!!

[Xzylvador]

I really don't need to read anything to be aware of how meaningless all of your lives and opinions are.

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

What you're trying to say:

contemporary art is crap

I really don't need to read anything to be aware of how meaningless all of your lives and opinions are.

What you really mean:

I've never been in a modern art museum

I really don't need to read anything

:D

 

[ArchAngel]

What you're trying to say:

contemporary art is crap

I really don't need to read anything to be aware of how meaningless all of your lives and opinions are.

What you really mean:

I've never been in a modern art museum

I really don't need to read anything

:D

So you are another person that thinks anyone in the real world cares about overpriced paint on canvas?
It is just another exotic shit people with too much money and time care about and little shits like you think they care because they lack money and time but would like to have both and this is easiest way to get close to those that do.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Regarding your "contemporary art deep thoughts": enjoy Barnett Newman motherfuckers, I know it's the first time you see his work.

That's one time more than I would have liked.

 

[Jacob]

that casul guy is a super idiot.

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

It is just another exotic shit people with too much money and time care about and little shits like you think they care because they lack money and time but would like to have both and this is easiest way to get close to those that do.

Two points from me:
i) contemporary artists realize this, and they try to comment upon this fact. They are more critical than you give them credit for Duchamp's Bicycle Wheel or Fountain are among the most famous examples.

ii) there's a vast critical literature on history of modern art. Some artists published papers in academic journals as well. So there's really no point in trying to reduce the whole "contemporary art" phenomenon to simple socio-economic regularities, because then you would need to fit in your explanation why people teach history of art on universities, why there're academic journals of history and critique of art, how contemporary art inspires specialist from various fields like literature, architecture, design etc. You see, your explanation would need to include a vast array of various phenomenons, and if you tried to close everything we are talking about under "people without money envy those that have money", then you would run a risk of creating a theory without possible verification -- it would be always true, just like Marxism is always true, because when you are trying to verify Marxism, hardcore Marxist can always say that "you just don't see the glory of pure Marxism, because you have false consciousness" (false consciousness is a term from Marxism; hence, even critique of Marxism confirms Marxism).

Seriously though, you're quite a Marxist if you really believe that art = class struggle :D

 

[Infinitron]

This has got to be one of the stupidest threads we've had this year.

Around 2016 alts, never relax

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

In a sense video games are contemporary art as well, so if talking about art is stupid, then tell me what you all have been doing for last few years XD

 

[ArchAngel]

It is just another exotic shit people with too much money and time care about and little shits like you think they care because they lack money and time but would like to have both and this is easiest way to get close to those that do.

Two points from me:
i) contemporary artists realize this, and they try to comment upon this fact. They are more critical than you give them credit for Duchamp's Bicycle Wheel or Fountain are among the most famous examples.

ii) there's a vast critical literature on history of modern art. Some artists published papers in academic journals as well. So there's really no point in trying to reduce the whole "contemporary art" phenomenon to simple socio-economic regularities, because then you would need to fit in your explanation why people teach history of art on universities, why there're academic journals of history and critique of art, how contemporary art inspires specialist from various fields like literature, architecture, design etc. You see, your explanation would need to include a vast array of various phenomenons, and if you tried to close everything we are talking about under "people without money envy those that have money", then you would run a risk of creating a theory without possible verification -- it would be always true, just like Marxism is always true, because when you are trying to verify Marxism, hardcore Marxist can always say that "you just don't see the glory of pure Marxism, because you have false consciousness" (false consciousness is a term from Marxism; hence, even critique of Marxism confirms Marxism).

Seriously though, you're quite a Marxist if you really believe that art = class struggle :D

In a world where 99% of world population struggles every day to make sure they have basics, yea art is equal to class struggle.
I can understand that certain people enjoy art just like other people enjoy many things. It is a private thing.
But when you come here and start insulting people for not understanding or caring for art like it is something bad, then you make it just that. Then you need to be hit with a reality club.

 

[Roguey]

Imagine what's going to happen if "Why these backgrounds are worse than PoE's" isn't a part of this week's infodump.

 

[SausageInYourFace]

So who's alt is Casual?

 

[Jacob]

In a sense video games are contemporary art as well, so if talking about art is stupid, then tell me what you all have been doing for last few years XD

Whoa, that's news to me. I never thought Skyrim is a piece contemporary art.

 

[FeelTheRads]

In a sense video games are contemporary art as well, so if talking about art is stupid, then tell me what you all have been doing for last few years XD

Whoa, that's news to me. I never thought Skyrim is a piece contemporary art.

Spoiler

I can see the similarity.

Furthermore, Skyrim is an American roleplaying videgame. It is seen as one of the major influences in video games. It's an existential game, in tone and content, explicitly developed with the intention of communicating a sense of locality, presence, and contingency.

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

Kappa :D

It's an existential game, in tone and content, explicitly developed with the intention of communicating a sense of locality, presence, and contingency.

Could you elaborate? Because the claim that it's an accurate description of Skyrim sounds like bullshit to me.

Probably it's a description of Newman's painting, so in a sense you shot your own foot :D

 

[FeelTheRads]

Kappa :D

And now you know where's he's coming from.

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

Refer to the rest of my post, you bigot :D

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

In a world where 99% of world population struggles every day to make sure they have basics, yea art is equal to class struggle.
I can understand that certain people enjoy art just like other people enjoy many things. It is a private thing.
But when you come here and start insulting people for not understanding or caring for art like it is something bad, then you make it just that. Then you need to be hit with a reality club.

I came up with an anti-Marxist answer to the problem. Do you know that economic considerations are irrational in the context whether art serves simple man or not? Look at the problem this way: a diamond is just a grinded and polished piece of carbon. In a "normal" world a piece of real coal is worth more than a diamond, because coal has an utilitarian value: you can heat your house with the coal. The only reason why diamonds cost more than coal is because there's an irrational cultural norm that a young man has to gift his love a diamond before the engagement.

Now, the example with the diamond shows that economics, maybe useful to describe how societies and markets work, is full of paradoxes. The coal and diamond example is simply a variation of the glass of water and diamond paradox.

The conclusion is that we should not take paradoxical explanation seriously. What I'm trying to say is that the explanation from economics is a possible explanation, but it has its own problems, which in itself points to what I was talking before: that art world is too vast to be reduced to economics. Famous painters' works are so expensive because i) they are extremely rare, ii) there are people willing to pay for the paintings like for a diamond.

"A reality club"? What about a simple man then? Think about it for a moment. Isn't it the case that art don't differentiate between rich and poor? That art is struggling to address the most fundamental questions a man has ever asked? Do you want to say that these fundamental questions are somehow forbidden or unavailable to a simple man? Isn't it the case that that's the most important treasure a man can have: wisdom (reference to Socrates)?

 

[Jacob]

I'd rather like to hear this casul guy's description of why video games are contemporary art. And, more importantly, why this guy is talking about an abstract painter in a video game thread that's obviously not an "abstract expressionism art movement" or something like that.

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

Ask me nicely then. For why I'm talking about painters and shit I can point you to my first post where it all started: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ld-where-evil-won.107576/page-31#post-4440181

 

[hello friend]

WhatAreYou?ACasul?

Reading this pretentious fag's posts are giving me cancer.

Congratulations, dude. You like some paintings and you read some books. You think that makes you special? FFS, grow up man.

 

[ArchAngel]

Kappa :D

And now you know where's he's coming from.

Twitch chats?

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

WhatAreYou?ACasul?
Reading this pretentious fag's posts are giving me cancer.

I'm glad, be sure to let me know when you die.

 

[tormund]

This is somehow legit worse than that FPS thread.
I still enjoyed you postmodernist deconstructive critical analysis of metastructuralist transmosphic tendencies within the field of interactive entertainment and its related constructs OP. You should consider starting a YT channel.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Da sage ich nur soviel:
Wenn ich das Wort Kultur höre dann greife ich schon nach meinem Revolver!

 

[WhatAreYou?ACasul?]

This is somehow legit worse than that FPS thread.
I still enjoyed you postmodernist deconstructive critical analysis of metastructuralist transmosphic tendencies within the field of interactive entertainment and its related constructs OP. You should consider starting a YT channel.

Thanks, but I have to say no. My specialization is a lot more realistic in philosophical terms, but I do appreciate the opposite side and in a sense that's why I'm confident of success: I know the field very well. Some niggers on this forum haven't read a single book in a long time, for real.