Pillars of Eternity Beta Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[tuluse]

There are ~*feels*~ and there is actual usability.

If it wasn't clear that post was meant as [dismissive/sarcastic - minor]

So... is it totally impossible to solo PoE? More tedious than BG? Less? Impossible?

I think it is going to be very difficult. There is far less cheese and you can only gain XP 25% faster, instead of 6x faster.

I expect someone to figure out how to do it though.

 

[Sensuki]

True, but it's easier for a human player to kite and respond to kiting than it is for AI to do it/recognize what's happening and adapt. In any case, we'll be looking at recovery more in the near future.

 

[Cadmus]

True, but it's easier for a human player to kite and respond to kiting than it is for AI to do it/recognize what's happening and adapt. In any case, we'll be looking at recovery more in the near future.

So they want for kitting to be less advantageous, right..
so the things that are supposed to give you an advantage must be destroyed so that everything is balanced
so why the fuck even bother

man this thread keeps delivering some questionable design decisions from the amazing Mr. Sawyer. I bet that if he designed the chess, both sides would start out with a black colour.
I don't know, I'm sure the game will be fine but this obsessive micro design and balancing of everything sounds really fucking boring.

 

[mastroego]

man this thread keeps delivering some questionable design decisions from the amazing Mr. Sawyer. I bet that if he designed the chess, both sides would start out with a black colour.
I don't know, I'm sure the game will be fine but this obsessive micro design and balancing of everything sounds really fucking boring.

But... white moves first so... no side could start so... perfect balance FOREVER!
Brilliant!

 

[Sensuki]

Some of the stuff reminds me a bit of the whole DM thing where they go

"You see a door"
"Cool, I go this way"
"You really feel like opening the door"
"Nah, I don't think so"
"three other walls magically appear around you, and you can't go anywhere but through the door"
"Riiight okay then, I guess I'll open the door"

except mechanically.

 

[Jaesun]

 

[Grunker]

"Sawyer doesn't know TRUE , HARDCORE RPG

unlike bioware, amirite

 

[Grunker]

Some of the stuff reminds me a bit of the whole DM thing where they go

"You see a door"
"Cool, I go this way"
"You really feel like opening the door"
"Nah, I don't think so"
"three other walls magically appear around you, and you can't go anywhere but through the door"
"Riiight okay then, I guess I'll open the door"

except mechanically.

Dude, what DMs do you have

 

[felipepepe]

I had a DM like that for a while... the guy could live as Call of Duty level designer, his campaign were borderline "you're leaving the adventure area, return in 10 seconds or a lightning bolt will kill you".

 

[Cyberarmy]

Most DMs are jerks, news at eleven.

 

[mutonizer]

So they want for kitting to be less advantageous, right..
so the things that are supposed to give you an advantage must be destroyed so that everything is balanced
so why the fuck even bother

man this thread keeps delivering some questionable design decisions from the amazing Mr. Sawyer. I bet that if he designed the chess, both sides would start out with a black colour.
I don't know, I'm sure the game will be fine but this obsessive micro design and balancing of everything sounds really fucking boring.

Been my main issue since I started actually beta testing, beyond bugs and whatnot: the core design decisions for PoE seem to be based around mainly trying to artificially limit the player to prevent any of that damned "degenerative" shit. I really don't get it, it's like developing something only thinking of "blocking" players, instead of designing something to "allow" players.

 

[Grunker]

I had a DM like that for a while... the guy could live as Call of Duty level designer, his campaign were borderline "you're leaving the adventure area, return in 10 seconds or a lightning bolt will kill you".

There's nothing wrong with linear games, but there's something wrong with a GM that tells you it's a not a linear campaign and then summons walls magically around you.

I remember stuff like that. It stopped happening when we turned 18+ and started talking about what we expected of each other before we started playing, lol.

 

[Sensuki]

Dude, what DMs do you have

That was actually a second-hand story. I think it was either my first DM's brother or cousin that had a DM that did that. Sometime in the mid 90s.

 

[SymbolicFrank]

The thing to talk about should be Vision. We all do it. And, if you do, go all the way. Look at Planescape: Torment for a great example.

The worst thing you can do is compromise. Like, if you think a motorcycle is better than a car, don't compromise on a tricycle. It's the worst of both.

But, what is it about Vision that requires all this talk? It's because people who have it cannot just make things according to plan. They'll hint that they have a better idea, and negotiate. Compromise. We call those people politicians.

Half of that is because people who can make the decisions are there because they have a great Ego, and not because they actually know how things work. But that doesn't matter, because they have Vision.

In contrast, you have the Man with the Plan. He wants to make what people want. Because he knows what's important: being able to Sell it.

Coming up with Great ideas is easy, coming up with a great Plan the customers want is hard.

 

[SymbolicFrank]

I don't get why simulationists suddenly have this hard-on for AD&D. From a simulationist perspective, it is one of the absolute worst systems ever created. I actually played it back then. I remember the simulation-fag revolution, when abstractions had to be improved and we could no longer suffer the impossibly gamistic AD&D.

Well, a fantasy setting allows magic, and so you can heal back up from having your limbs chopped off to full battle-readiness in mere seconds.

That's where historical settings break down.

 

[Grunker]

Like, if you think a motorcycle is better than a car, don't compromise on a tricycle.

Dude, I am pretty crappy at metaphors, but that one takes the cake

 

[J_C]

Sensuke deserves an Eternety Maistro tag. Keep up improving the game, if Josh is not gonna do it.

 

[Grunker]

Sensuke deserves an Eternety Maistro tag.

*Maestro. Make one and I'm sure he'll get it

 

[Sensuki]

Who was the guy that did all of the Roguey ones?

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Who was the guy that did all of the Roguey ones?

Stainless Veteran did one of them and has also just done a quality "Grognard and Proud" one (see the tag thread in site feedback)

 

[Grunker]

Zed? maybe

 

[Stainless Veteran]

Who was the guy that did all of the Roguey ones?

Zed made these two

I made this one

Don't know who made this though.

 

[Cnaiur]

I read every single page of this thread. The nature of most posts make me feel like I deserve some kind of reward for tainting my virgin eyes.

 

[Sensuki]

I read every single page of this thread. The nature of most posts make me feel like I deserve some kind of reward for tainting my virgin eyes.

Now you have to read every single post of the OLD THREAD - 1300 pages

 

[Grunker]

I read every single page of this thread. The nature of most posts make me feel like I deserve some kind of reward for tainting my virgin eyes.

I'd feel sorry for it, but I kindda think you deserve for reading every post of this thread.