what was the last great RPG??

hivemind · Jul 17, 2015

so there have been a lot of mediocre to shit big name RPGs released in recent time and a fair share of mediocre to okay indies but what would you say was the last RPG that could, by merit, count as equal, in some ways at least, to the great names of antiquity ?

I'm thinking maybe Alpha Protocol is the last great

what about you??

stuff like AoD and Underrail doesn't count because they are still in Early Access

Notorious · Jul 17, 2015

The codex unanimously agrees... Pillars of Eternity... the last *great* RPG.

But I agree before that the last *great* RPG was definitely Alpha Protocol no doubt.

a Goat · Jul 17, 2015

If you have such standards, then like 3/4th of recent releases.

Alpha Protocol was shit, is shit and will be shit.

Dialogue was good, imo. the only fully successful implementation of dialogue wheel, but the rest of the game is just bad.
It may be decent as the Role Playing, but the Game part is just so fucking bad and every time I think of playing it, my hair get longer, I get massively obese, I'm loosing my dick and start to call myself "Hamburger Helper".

Volrath · Jul 17, 2015

New Vegas

Gangrelrumbler · Jul 17, 2015

KoTC?

GloomFrost · Jul 17, 2015

MASK of the betrayer, alpha protocol and new Vegas. Take your pick.

Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd · Jul 17, 2015

Arcanum

There were some good cRPGs after it. But nothing really *great*.

Dorateen · Jul 17, 2015

Wizardry 8

Qualifications

Robust party (6 plus 2 Recruitable NPCs)
in depth class mechanics, skills and spell system
Turn-based Combat
Conclusion of a storied franchise

Jaesun · Jul 17, 2015

Nov 17, 2004, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

hivemind · Jul 17, 2015

Sheep said:
Dialogue was good, imo. the only fully successful implementation of dialogue wheel, but the rest of the game is just bad.
It may be decent as the Role Playing, but the Game part is just so fucking bad and every time I think of playing it, my hair get longer, I get massively obese, I'm loosing my dick and start to call myself "Hamburger Helper".

so literally planescape torment ?

retard

Paul_cz · Jul 17, 2015

Witcher 3
New Vegas before that
Bloodlines before that
Gothic 2 before that

Divinity, Shadowrun Dragonfall, Eternity are all pretty good too

GloomFrost · Jul 17, 2015

hivemind said:
Sheep said:

Dialogue was good, imo. the only fully successful implementation of dialogue wheel, but the rest of the game is just bad.
It may be decent as the Role Playing, but the Game part is just so fucking bad and every time I think of playing it, my hair get longer, I get massively obese, I'm loosing my dick and start to call myself "Hamburger Helper".

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so literally planescape torment ?

retard

Ha nice one! I always wonder if people that hate AP even played it.

Darth Roxor · Jul 17, 2015

Gothic 4

Excidium II · Jul 17, 2015

Was there a *great* RPG?

Ludo Lense · Jul 17, 2015

Gonna get endless hate for this....Witcher 1, it is the last sizable budget CRPG that was made by people who were clearly gamers (20 million dollars if I remember correctly). I appreciate that it tried to create a mechanical identity to go with Geralt's character such as the alchemy system or having just 3 silver swords the entire game (2 of which can be missed if you aren't careful) to reflect their rarity. All of the parts that make up this game can be harshly criticized as they rightly should be and I don't blame anybody if they couldn't get past the Outskirts but CD Projekt put their heart and soul (and livelihoods) into this product...and it shows in all its janky glory, they didn't play it safe at all. (Just like arcanum or planescape who aren't by any stretch perfect games).

I appreciate Alpha Protocol's effort to innovate in certain directions relating to dialogue and while it is certainly a must play for designers in my opinion it lacked the "better than the sum of its parts" feeling.

GuiltyofBeingTrite · Jul 17, 2015

Witcher 3

Doktor Best · Jul 17, 2015

Ludo Lense said:
Gonna get endless hate for this....Witcher 1, it is last sizable budget rpg that was made by gamers. (20 million dollars if I remember correctly). I appreciate that it tried to a mechanical identity to go with Geralt's character such as the alchemy system or having just 3 silver swords the entire game (2 of which can be missed if you aren't careful) to reflect their rarity. All of the parts that make up this game can be harshly criticized as they rightly should be and I don't blame anybody if they couldn't get past the Outskirts but CD Projekt put their heart and soul (and livelihoods) into this product...and it shows in all its janky glory, they didn't play it safe at all. (Just like arcanum or planescape who aren't by any stretch perfect games).

I appreciate Alpha Protocol's effort to innovate in certain directions relating to dialogue and while it is certainly a must play for designers in my opinion it lacked the "better than the sum of it parts' feeling.

I'd agree with you didnt cdproject release their masterpiece this year, which is maybe lacking the underdog charme, but still is a better game in most aspects.

So Witcher 3 it is for me. Story, characters, dialogue, C&C, questdesign, worldbuilding etc usw. All that so fucking good, all that with so much level of detail, so much appearant love to the game. On the contrary is some bad AI which leads to mediocre combat and some shameful levelgating which i didnt expect from cdproject. But seriously, a storydriven rpg with bad combat? Who gives a fuck?

Jimmious · Jul 17, 2015

D:OS and PoE.
I'm ready for your hate bitches
:fight:

iLkRehp · Jul 17, 2015

'Great' is subjective, but I'd put Divinity: Original Sin into that category.

Over the last 18 months we've had a bunch of 'decent' to 'good' indie RPGs that trump 1 'great' one IMO.

Bubbles · Jul 17, 2015

hivemind said:
Alpha Protocol

Yup.

pippin · Jul 17, 2015

Jaesun said:
Nov 17, 2004, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

There have been worthwile games after Bloodlines, but I think this game marked the end of a certain way to make games, especially rpgs. After that, all games are certainly "tainted" by modern design philosophies. Even games I like, like The WItcher or New Vegas.

Drowed · Jul 17, 2015

Witcher 3 is really fun, and I mean it. I spent like 40 hours in it already, and I can see this time going up for the next weeks/months. I even think that it's a great *game*. But a great RPG, well, I'm not so sure about that. I guess it really is. I think deep down I still hoped to point out some other game, as we had so many kickstarters games released lately, but...

Pillars was fun. (More fun than Baldur's Gate 2 for me, deal with it.) But I couldn't call it "great". I would say it was "adequate".
Shadowrun games... Same case here, fun games, but not *that* good.
D:OS? Great combat and funny - and very charming too. But the mid-late game was kinda "meh". If the "expanded version" can maintain the quality that the game had in the first map during the whole thing... Definitely.
Wasteland 2, didn't play it yet (waiting for the perks). But doesn't looks like it.
Dead State? Yeah, right.