VD, your desire to rebut points which specifically were not aimed at you (and I said exactly that in my post) doesn't do you any justice.
To repeat several points that you seem to have overlooked:
- I'm not agreeing the OP's claim that AoD is taking too long. I specifically stated that several times, and explained why in detail. Your comments regarding your efforts to keep the community updated, and progress in development are completely irrelevant to what I was saying - in that I already agreed with that and said as much.
- I made it pretty clear that I was differentiating (1) arguing that the game was not being overlong in development vs (2) the comments saying 'why do you think that ITS owes you anything'. The first is the right way to respond to the OP. The 2nd isn't. Given that I mentioned that ITS consistently responds in the first way rather than the 2nd, I don't know why you even bothered to post.
- "Well, first, neither Bio nor Beth nor any other company owes anything to anyone. I don't remember anyone ever saying that Bioware simply must do things a certain way because it's their duty and an obligation." - I agree, and as I stated a couple of times, you've been pretty consistent on that point. Others haven't been.
- "And? I understand that some people are having doubts and think that the game will never be released and if released, it will most likely suck, etc, but I wouldn't expect to see them on my forum, sharing their doubts and expecting to be reassured that the game will be released eventually. Surely, there are better ways to spend time on the internet?" - agreed, and I said as much. But there's plenty of folk on here who do the same on Bioware's forums and then boast about how they got banned from Bethesda's. It's the consistency that I'm after. Again, you've been one of the few that has been consistent in not trolling other company's forums pointlessly.
- "They should though. I liked the Codex more when Dave Gaider was dropping by regularly to reply to criticism, then when the criticism was replaced with "lol at Gaider", no?" - agreed, and given that I said as much, why do you bother repeating my own comments as though they're contrary to what I said? My point was that people see this clearly with regards to AoD but not with other companies.
- "We started beta-testing a month ago or so. Today we'll give the demo to a larger group of people, if it goes well, it will be out in 2-3 weeks. See the difference?" - yep. Pretty much consistent with what I said in my post. Why bother posting that when I've already said that what pissed me off was bhaab and others making comments like 'why do you think ITS owes you anything', instead of just accepting it was a legitimate, albeit erroneous, point of discussion and responding by explaining why the guy was wrong.
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But if people want to discuss game quality while the game is still in development, then by all means they should be free to do so without getting flamed for it - after all, we've already thoroughly mocked the idea of 'waiting til we've tried the game' for every other rpg in development, why should this one be any different?
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Do you really struggle to see the difference between saying that a point is a legitimate thing that can be discussed, and saying that the point is correct? There's a difference between flaming the OP for making vaporware comments and questioning the development time, and between arguing to the OP why he was wrong. There's no inconsistency between my comments for you to facepalm at - one paragraph was saying why development time is a legitimate topic (or more the point, that the Codex seems to have already decided that it is), and the other was arguing ON that topic and saying why the OP's view was mistaken.
- "Jesus... what are you talking about? Who the fuck is talking about excepting AoD from criticism" - out of all the posts so far, yours is pretty much the first - other than mine, that is - to actually address the issue of development time and argue that AoD isn't taking overly long. Every other post was butthurt about the fact that the guy raised the point. Even on issues where you're arguably correct, i.e. abusing a company on their own forums and crynig about getting banned, whining about vapourware as though he's paid money for it, that's pretty much standard codex behaviour regarding other companies. If you re-read it, you'll see that I wasn't so much saying that the guy's behaviour was fine in a neutral sense, but asking why the fuck the same people criticising him are either nowhere to be seen, or more commonly joining in, when it comes to doing the same thing with Bioware and Bethesda.