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Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel
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Spoilers, obviously. Cain spitballing as he goes.
Cain knows he has said he wouldn't review things multiple times, but a lot of people keep asking, and he's going to link someone else's review in the description he considers better. and agreed a lot with it.
Tl;DR, no rambling: He likes it.
Just as surreal to be home at his couch watching Fallout on his TV as watching it at the Chinese Theater. Hard to explain if you didn't work on it, talked with Leonard about it. That surreal feeling of seeing the thing you worked on really hard and all of those ideas and visuals happening in real life. impressive sets, great production values and props. Cain praises the acting, feels surreal to see Fallout recreated in real life. Compares it to Nuka Break, which had a far smaller production budget but was dedicated and you could feel the care and attention to detail. Really cool to be on the Nuka Break set. Watching this TV Show gave Cain the same feelings.
Paid a lot more attention to the story and the dialogue this time. Everything feels like Fallout, a hard thing to do. Easy to write post apocalyptic stuff that doesn't fit the Fallout mold, and would have been very easy for them to slide into being too silly.
Liked the lore drops, Cain missed a lot of easter eggs and saw videos and reddit threads explaining them. Loved that there was no exposition. No narrator, no character with a big wall of text or long VO, no "Just to remind you, these vaults were built...". You don't need to know that, you can figure it out. Makes the TV show a little harder to get into for someone who didn't play the games, but believes it can be figured out.
Lucy stopping to ask for directions from the guy working on the filter, that guy looked straight out of Fallout as one of the villager characters. Brings that Fallout feeling.
Not everything will be perfect or exactly like Fallout, because it's a TV show and not a game, but it captures the feeling.
Cain particularly liked that the three main characters felt like different ways a player character could approach the games. Lucy, the nice character, starts out innocent and didn't stay that way, wants to go out and do good. Maximus had his own goals, maybe it could be called selfish, but he had his own goals and wasn't going out of his way to be a bad guy. The Ghoul was the show's murder hobo. All of them had arcs that changed them over the show. You learn things about their background and why they are the way they are. Hoping for a season two to see those arcs develop further. Makes the show feel like a game, Lucy is the main protagonist, directly compares her main quest of finding her kidnapped dad to Fallout 3's plot of finding your dad and Fallout 4's quest for your son, notes Bethesda Fallouts have a trend of family members tied to the main quest so it isn't a surprise to see it here. It feels like she started off all about the main quest in the first episode or two,, and then all of these side quests begin. The main quest completes in the final episodes, but in a way that makes you want a sequel. Most questions answered, new questions arise you want answers to, good way for any TV Show or Video Game to end.
Not going to give it away, but Cain texted Leonard around episode 7 he had to watch it because of some cameos. Really surprised Cain when Erik Estrada showed up as the father of the people with metal detectors. Thought the voice was familiar and took him a minute to realize. Used to watch CHiPs, hopes he ages a tenth of well as Erik has. Some of the other surprise cameos also got Cain.
But there were also some lore surprises, such as Vault-Tec dropping the nukes and Shady Sands getting nuked. Has seen a lot of discussion about that. Cain's opinion is that Vault-Tec did talk about nuking first, but companies always have business plans that try to handle different contingencies. He doesn't think they actually nuked first. Barbara doesn't strike Cain as a stupid woman , would she really have sent her daughter to a birthday party on the day Vault-Tec was going to drop the nukes? They were planning on doing it, one of their strategies, enough to consider them evil, but Cain thinks they didn't do it and were caught off guard by the bombs.
Similarly, Cain think Shady Sands being nuked may have gone a bunch of different ways. People are complaining about the dates being off, Cain thinks what was taught to the kids was wrong. Either deliberately wrong (They lied to the Vault 33 kids about other stuff) or they are off but don't know they are off. Maybe the dates in the games are wrong, maybe the characters in New Vegas got the dates wrong. There is no master calendar to refer to. Fallout has a history of unreliable narrators with characters telling you things that are not true. As far as the show goes, Cain expects them to explain stuff in future seasons, and even if they don't Cain thinks lore drift is inevitable in big IPs. Star Wars is an example, Cain is old enough to have seen the first movie in the theaters. When the prequel trilogy came out and suddenly the Force was Midi-Chlorians it was a bit of a what moment for Cain but he still enjoyed Star Wars even if less so. Marvel was the same way, Cain was never a big guy comic book guy, watched the movies, liked them, people complained about them messing up the lore or Tony Stark was supposed to have blue eyes, Cain doesn't care.
When Cain sees people talking about this online, he hopes that they address it, but you have to understand not everything shown and told in the games is true. Maybe they are setting the audience up for a shocker in season two, not that Cain would know anything. Look back at Cain's videos about how hard it is to maintain an IP, sequels are hard. Could consider this Fallout season one to be a sequel to the game, apparently people online are calling it Fallout 5. Cain can see why, every single Fallout game changed a little in the games that came before. Lore has always drifted a little, 2 changed some things in 1, 3 changed some things in 2 and 1, 4 changed some things in all three. Who knows what canonical ending they had in mind that leads to this Fallout TV Show timeline.
Likes the show a lot, recommends this review that Cain likes. Agrees with everything/almost everything she says. If you listen to that, you are basically hearing most of what Cain thinks.
That said, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. He isn't in charge, you aren't in charge, whatever Bethesda does from this point forward is canon. Fun to talk about, not fun when people make personal attacks, stop that. Have fun with the show, look at the lore and easter eggs and pick things apart. Do it if it's fun for you, not if it's out of a spirit of being spiteful now. Cain skips over hostile comments now that he gets so many people commentating on his videos.
Can't wait for season two.
Cain knows he has said he wouldn't review things multiple times, but a lot of people keep asking, and he's going to link someone else's review in the description he considers better. and agreed a lot with it.
Tl;DR, no rambling: He likes it.
Just as surreal to be home at his couch watching Fallout on his TV as watching it at the Chinese Theater. Hard to explain if you didn't work on it, talked with Leonard about it. That surreal feeling of seeing the thing you worked on really hard and all of those ideas and visuals happening in real life. impressive sets, great production values and props. Cain praises the acting, feels surreal to see Fallout recreated in real life. Compares it to Nuka Break, which had a far smaller production budget but was dedicated and you could feel the care and attention to detail. Really cool to be on the Nuka Break set. Watching this TV Show gave Cain the same feelings.
Paid a lot more attention to the story and the dialogue this time. Everything feels like Fallout, a hard thing to do. Easy to write post apocalyptic stuff that doesn't fit the Fallout mold, and would have been very easy for them to slide into being too silly.
Liked the lore drops, Cain missed a lot of easter eggs and saw videos and reddit threads explaining them. Loved that there was no exposition. No narrator, no character with a big wall of text or long VO, no "Just to remind you, these vaults were built...". You don't need to know that, you can figure it out. Makes the TV show a little harder to get into for someone who didn't play the games, but believes it can be figured out.
Lucy stopping to ask for directions from the guy working on the filter, that guy looked straight out of Fallout as one of the villager characters. Brings that Fallout feeling.
Not everything will be perfect or exactly like Fallout, because it's a TV show and not a game, but it captures the feeling.
Cain particularly liked that the three main characters felt like different ways a player character could approach the games. Lucy, the nice character, starts out innocent and didn't stay that way, wants to go out and do good. Maximus had his own goals, maybe it could be called selfish, but he had his own goals and wasn't going out of his way to be a bad guy. The Ghoul was the show's murder hobo. All of them had arcs that changed them over the show. You learn things about their background and why they are the way they are. Hoping for a season two to see those arcs develop further. Makes the show feel like a game, Lucy is the main protagonist, directly compares her main quest of finding her kidnapped dad to Fallout 3's plot of finding your dad and Fallout 4's quest for your son, notes Bethesda Fallouts have a trend of family members tied to the main quest so it isn't a surprise to see it here. It feels like she started off all about the main quest in the first episode or two,, and then all of these side quests begin. The main quest completes in the final episodes, but in a way that makes you want a sequel. Most questions answered, new questions arise you want answers to, good way for any TV Show or Video Game to end.
Not going to give it away, but Cain texted Leonard around episode 7 he had to watch it because of some cameos. Really surprised Cain when Erik Estrada showed up as the father of the people with metal detectors. Thought the voice was familiar and took him a minute to realize. Used to watch CHiPs, hopes he ages a tenth of well as Erik has. Some of the other surprise cameos also got Cain.
But there were also some lore surprises, such as Vault-Tec dropping the nukes and Shady Sands getting nuked. Has seen a lot of discussion about that. Cain's opinion is that Vault-Tec did talk about nuking first, but companies always have business plans that try to handle different contingencies. He doesn't think they actually nuked first. Barbara doesn't strike Cain as a stupid woman , would she really have sent her daughter to a birthday party on the day Vault-Tec was going to drop the nukes? They were planning on doing it, one of their strategies, enough to consider them evil, but Cain thinks they didn't do it and were caught off guard by the bombs.
Similarly, Cain think Shady Sands being nuked may have gone a bunch of different ways. People are complaining about the dates being off, Cain thinks what was taught to the kids was wrong. Either deliberately wrong (They lied to the Vault 33 kids about other stuff) or they are off but don't know they are off. Maybe the dates in the games are wrong, maybe the characters in New Vegas got the dates wrong. There is no master calendar to refer to. Fallout has a history of unreliable narrators with characters telling you things that are not true. As far as the show goes, Cain expects them to explain stuff in future seasons, and even if they don't Cain thinks lore drift is inevitable in big IPs. Star Wars is an example, Cain is old enough to have seen the first movie in the theaters. When the prequel trilogy came out and suddenly the Force was Midi-Chlorians it was a bit of a what moment for Cain but he still enjoyed Star Wars even if less so. Marvel was the same way, Cain was never a big guy comic book guy, watched the movies, liked them, people complained about them messing up the lore or Tony Stark was supposed to have blue eyes, Cain doesn't care.
When Cain sees people talking about this online, he hopes that they address it, but you have to understand not everything shown and told in the games is true. Maybe they are setting the audience up for a shocker in season two, not that Cain would know anything. Look back at Cain's videos about how hard it is to maintain an IP, sequels are hard. Could consider this Fallout season one to be a sequel to the game, apparently people online are calling it Fallout 5. Cain can see why, every single Fallout game changed a little in the games that came before. Lore has always drifted a little, 2 changed some things in 1, 3 changed some things in 2 and 1, 4 changed some things in all three. Who knows what canonical ending they had in mind that leads to this Fallout TV Show timeline.
Likes the show a lot, recommends this review that Cain likes. Agrees with everything/almost everything she says. If you listen to that, you are basically hearing most of what Cain thinks.
That said, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. He isn't in charge, you aren't in charge, whatever Bethesda does from this point forward is canon. Fun to talk about, not fun when people make personal attacks, stop that. Have fun with the show, look at the lore and easter eggs and pick things apart. Do it if it's fun for you, not if it's out of a spirit of being spiteful now. Cain skips over hostile comments now that he gets so many people commentating on his videos.
Can't wait for season two.
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SlightlyRadioactive
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Now that's just a plain lie, there isn't anything in any of the games that might suggest that their events might be something else other than the objective truth.
I actually liked the show mostly, but Tim is clearly pushing it too far with his shilling.
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war, war never changes
and then it does
Sibelius
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The point Tim made about Vault-Tec maybe planning to launch the first nuke, but never actually getting the opportunity to do it as China or the US beat them to it gave me pause. It actually makes sense (in the context of an overall senseless story), why else would the Vault-Tec exec allow her daughter and husband to be at a birthday party when they dropped? The show was completely retarded though, some of the most illogical and plain stupid writing I have ever seen.
Devastator
Learned
Cain can fuck off.
He publicly expressed his dislike for part of the direction Fallout 2 took, namely criticizing its excessive humor and frequent pop culture references.
The show exemplifies this issue to the fullest. Fallout 1 had a cool atmosphere of desolation like Dark Souls 1. The show feels like transforming Fallout 1 into Teletubbies. Therefore, claiming to enjoy the series comes across as highly disingenuous.
He played a significant role in creating one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Rather than taking pride in that accomplishment and acknowledging Bethesda killed Fallout, he kneels down and sucks Bethesda's rod with 16 times the detail.
It's almost like John Carmack kneeling down to praise Fortnite.
("John Carmack - totally supportive of Doom Slayer in Fortnite!")
Fucking shills.
NecroLord
Dumbfuck!
Tim Cain's a fucking retard lately it seems.
Fuck your Fallout show bitch, I AIN'T WATCHING THAT SHIT!!
He betrayed his true Fallout fans and the original Fallout.
There are no words for such a betrayal.
Fuck your Fallout show bitch, I AIN'T WATCHING THAT SHIT!!
He betrayed his true Fallout fans and the original Fallout.
There are no words for such a betrayal.
NecroLord
Dumbfuck!
I like how some retards around here shit on Fallout 2 but go out of their way to DEFEND THIS PIECE OF SHIT SHOW AS IF IT WAS PART OF THE "ORIGINAL" FALLOUT VISION!!!
Clown world.
Clown world.
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Korean fans are taking this one personally, I bet
The thumbnail, I mean
No, it's like saying the 12 Parsec Kessel Run is because of the gravity anomalies. Vault-Tec deciding to drop a nuke makes no sense, since the end result would be the same. Something gets nuked in either nuclear power, they're going to blame the other amd scramble the bombers.
NecroLord
Dumbfuck!
In other words, he's a bitch.
Mister Vespertine
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Tim just seems like he doesn't want to rock the boat for whatever reason. Probably hoping for a future "consulting" gig with Bethesda or some shit down the line.
Naraya
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Honestly, what he might gain by shitting on the show? Nothing. BY NOT shitting on it he can potentially gain quite a lot though.
tommy heavenly6
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His viewing numbers for his YT channel went way up after the show, of course he's happy to shill it.
I tend to agree with this. That said, I think I would have chosen not to say anything beyond the story of going to the premiere.
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I think it's even gayer than that. I think he doesn't want to provide ammunition for Fallout fandom infighting.
What he has to gain by honestly criticizing the show is integrity. Might not mean much to most people these days but that doesn't mean it is worthless.
Of course that's assuming that he doesn't actually like it. The Tim today is after all not the same Tim that created Fallout. He wouldn't be the first designer to no longer understand what he once created. It's not like he has been insulated from the current gamedev circus but instead has been bathing in shit for so long that he probably can't even smell it anymore.
Of course that's assuming that he doesn't actually like it. The Tim today is after all not the same Tim that created Fallout. He wouldn't be the first designer to no longer understand what he once created. It's not like he has been insulated from the current gamedev circus but instead has been bathing in shit for so long that he probably can't even smell it anymore.
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NecroLord
Dumbfuck!
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Hey, I'm not saying Vault-Tec's deciding to drop a nuke makes sense, I'm saying that Tim's theory that they planned to but got beaten to it makes sense. Vault-Tec dropping a nuke to be a monopoly of nothing and repopulate the world with management or whatever was probably the most retarded plot point in a sea of retarded plot points.
NecroLord
Dumbfuck!
Wesp5
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No, because their creators didn't understand their own creation years later and basically killed the franchises themselves.
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