Fallout 4 Day -1 impressions

[Phage]

You weren't 2 shotting them with max skill either. You could easily beat them to death with it though even without skill.

Right, well in FO4 I was actually two-hitting raiders with a police baton at level 1 - granted my STR is 7.

 

[Mozg]

Does it use DT or DR?

 

[Lemming42]

Wrote impressions in real-time in the other thread but having slept on it, here's everything from the first 6 hours:

Quests are stupendously boring and universally focus around combat. Ones I've had so far:
-Follow a BoS guy as he shoots a lot of ghouls, then shoots a lot of synths. Only the flimsiest of context is offered (we had to find a radar or something, which was never mentioned again after we got it by killing 500 synths).
-Raiders are attacking a settlement! Objective: "Kill all the raiders". And that's exactly what you do.
-Big museum with random villagers in it is under siege by RAIDER SCUM. Sneaked in, sneaked past the raiders and up to the room. Door's locked. Guy inside says "WE CAN'T OPEN THE DOOR UNTIL THE RAIDERS ARE DEALT WITH!" Kill 7 people, door mystically opens itself. Go inside, they tell me to get inside Power Armour and kill the rest of the raiders. I did a Shinji Ikari and refused to get in, they get pissy. Later went back and got in, you literally just shoot a lot of raiders and then a deathclaw who comes out of nowhere. Can't lose.
-Follow dogmeat. That's the whole quest. Dogmeat likes to run through packs of raiders, robots and feral ghouls.

Combat is improved from Fallout 3 but still sucks. Nowhere near good enough to carry the game. AI is notably improved.

Companions are a shower of cunts. BoS guy is shit, Dogmeat is shit (and keeps teleporting to me despite being ordered to stay and shot by me several times), Piper is a fucking idiot. All of them have about as much personality as the Fallout 3 or Fallout 1 companions, which is to say none.

Map is boring. If Fallout 3 and Skyrim were theme parks, Fallout 4 is the shitty local carnival of a remote Scottish village. All the rides suck, nothing looks good and you just want to get out of there as quickly as possible. Honestly about as much fun to explore as Oblivion, which is to say not at all fun.

Dungeons suck, theyre mainly copypasted skyscrapers where sneaking is unviable so all you can do is shoot everyone in your way. Skyrim looks glorious in comparison, where you could actually navigate dungeons according to your build - stealth, archery, all the schools of magic, melee, a mix of all of these etc. Fallout 4 has one build, guns, and that's what you're doing whether you like it or not. Unless you want to try melee, but why even fucking bother.

Charisma is occasionally checked in dialogue. This is always worthless.

Graphics are bad but serviceably bad, a la Skyrim. Nothing to really get worked up about, positively or negatively.

Writing is terrible, but not laughably terrible like Fallout 3. Instead, it's boring. The main quest is to search for your lost baby. Fine, as a plot device, not much different from a Water Chip or a GECK. But the entire main quest so far is just dealing with synths and The Institute. You're never given the remotest reason to give a shit about any of this, other than that they allegedly have your shitface baby. Dialogue is, again, just boring. A grand total of 1 NPC so far really had any kind of notable personality, everyone else (including the player) just says stock lines.

Overall, it's less of a Fallout game than Fallout 3* and less of a Bethesda game than Skyrim**. There's nothing really going for it, if you haven't bought it yet I'd encourage you to either pirate it or just not waste your time.

*Before you kill me, what I mean by this is that Fallout 3 had skill checks, skills, branching quests, a vague attempt at sticking to the lore. The writing was atrocious, the skill checks were all retarded, lore was completely shat on but it was still recognizably attempting to be a Fallout game, just doing a really bad job of it. Fo4 feels like a random sci-fi shooter, no skills, skill checks or alternate resolutions to quests, and it barely sticks to the lore at all. When you're walking around a random shanty town full of synths talking about how human they are and doing an interview for some lady's newspaper it's easy to forget this is supposed to be Fallout at all.

**I wasn't a huge fan of Skyrim but I hold it up as the culmination of the "Bethesda formula". They gave up on any window dressing at all and focused entirely on a combat-based open world dungeon crawler, which is their speciality, and it ultimately paid off. Fallout 4 feels like it's missing everything that Skyrim had.

 

[Killzig]

Does it use DT or DR?

DR only.

 

[curry]

if you haven't bought it yet I'd encourage you to either pirate it

I was going to torrent it anyway.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

The game is incredibly boring, in a way that Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrim never were.

 

[mutonizer]

They just copy pasted all the fucked up stupid shit from Skyrim into Fallout or what?

- Unkillable shits everywhere.
- Horrible, horrible interface again.
- Cliché and really, really bad writing (only 3 hours in but don't see how that'd get any better). Holy shit bad voice acting on top, geeebus!
- Nothing whatsoever makes any fucking sense anywhere. Dudes beg me to save them from raiders that are almost one shot by a level 1 in police baton (and wearing complete raider gear...but I'm instantly recognized as the hero) while they themselves are rocking laser shit and are unkillable? Traders getting 3 shot by any random radscorpion, revive after 5 seconds since unkillable, only to be one shot again, forever. Some dog just "come at me" and suddenly we're best buds? What the fuck and also unkillable.
- Goodie shit scripted stuff everywhere so far. I don't mind playing the helping good guy but if I can't also play the bad guy, what's the point, might as well do single player story missions in Call of Duty or something...
- Feels completely bland, this is the worst. I didn't give any shit whatsoever at any point, and I do try to really get into the story and whatnot usually. Conversations feel completely disconnected, writing's fucked, voice acting is fucked and they failed to make you care during the intro so I just don't give a damn.


How any anyone with an IQ above 40 can say this is a good game is beyond me? It's 100% mindless collecto-whore console crap, a massive open world of wasted space-time. I got a fucking achievement for "zoning out of the vault" and "playing a holotape"? What the fuck....
Where's the ambiance, the feeling, the care, the experience of it.
Side note: Graphics arn't "that" bad, or I just don't care enough to be bothered about it. Seems perma 60fps capped though.


Hopefully this will be modded to hell and back and made somewhat playable for anyone with half a brain but it's gonna collect dust now...

 

[Deleted member 7219]

They just copy pasted all the fucked up stupid shit from Skyrim into Fallout or what?

- Unkillable shits everywhere.
- Horrible, horrible interface again.
- Cliché and really, really bad writing (only 3 hours in but don't see how that'd get any better). Holy shit bad voice acting on top, geeebus!
- Nothing whatsoever makes any fucking sense anywhere. Dudes beg me to save them from raiders that are almost one shot by a level 1 in police baton (and wearing complete raider gear...but I'm instantly recognized as the hero) while they themselves are rocking laser shit and are unkillable? Traders getting 3 shot by any random radscorpion, revive after 5 seconds since unkillable, only to be one shot again, forever. Some dog just "come at me" and suddenly we're best buds? What the fuck and also unkillable.
- Goodie shit scripted stuff everywhere so far. I don't mind playing the helping good guy but if I can't also play the bad guy, what's the point, might as well do single player story missions in Call of Duty or something...
- Feels completely bland, this is the worst. I didn't give any shit whatsoever at any point, and I do try to really get into the story and whatnot usually. Conversations feel completely disconnected, writing's fucked, voice acting is fucked and they failed to make you care during the intro so I just don't give a damn.


How any anyone with an IQ above 40 can say this is a good game is beyond me? It's 100% mindless collecto-whore console crap, a massive open world of wasted space-time. I got a fucking achievement for "zoning out of the vault" and "playing a holotape"? What the fuck....
Where's the ambiance, the feeling, the care, the experience of it.
Side note: Graphics arn't "that" bad, or I just don't care enough to be bothered about it. Seems perma 60fps capped though.


Hopefully this will be modded to hell and back and made somewhat playable for anyone with half a brain but it's gonna collect dust now...

I feel like such an idiot for buying this piece of shit.

I honestly thought it would be like Skyrim, but with Bethesda's crappy version of Fallout as the theme. I didn't expect it to be worse than Oblivion.

 

[Lemming42]

I feel like such an idiot for buying this piece of shit.

I honestly thought it would be like Skyrim, but with Bethesda's crappy version of Fallout as the theme. I didn't expect it to be worse than Oblivion.

Yeah absolutely. I expected Skyrim with Guns and that would have made me happy, it's actually kind of amazing how dull this game is.

 

[ArchAngel]

I feel like such an idiot for buying this piece of shit.

I honestly thought it would be like Skyrim, but with Bethesda's crappy version of Fallout as the theme. I didn't expect it to be worse than Oblivion.

You can have my tag, you deserve it

 

[Melcar]

Wait, wait, wait...

There are Codexers that actually bought this thing?

 

[mutonizer]

I feel like such an idiot for buying this piece of shit.

I honestly thought it would be like Skyrim, but with Bethesda's crappy version of Fallout as the theme. I didn't expect it to be worse than Oblivion.

Well, as with most of these games, I buy because of the mods that will come down the line. They are terrible base games (same with total war games series really) but amazing platforms for modders in the long run. I HATED fallout 3, NV, Skyrim as core, but had great times with some mods added in.

Usually I buy late, on sale and whatnot, I just had to confirm 100% that it was shit even though everyone everywhere is claiming it's best game or some shit. Now that I have, I can sleep better and just need to wait for mods

 

[Deleted member 7219]

You can have my tag, you deserve it

No thanks bro. You can keep it. You have to try hard to earn tags around here.

Unlike some Codexers, I play something before I judge it, and I'm not a thief. Besides, it can't be retarded to hate Fallout 4. Liking Fallout 4, on the other hand...

 

[Killzig]

No thanks bro. You can keep it. You have to try hard to earn tags around here.

Unlike some Codexers, I play something before I judge it, and I'm not a thief. Besides, it can't be retarded to hate Fallout 4. Liking Fallout 4, on the other hand...

What if you've just drowned yourself in the bitter drink of lowered expectations and crushed dreams?

 

[Deleted member 7219]

What if you've just drowned yourself in the bitter drink of lowered expectations and crushed dreams?

I expected something along the lines of Fallout 3, or Skyrim. Something clearly not Fallout, but something that tried, in a retarded way, to be a good game. Kind of like a young child making a drawing. They actually want to draw something nice for you. It looks awful, but they've tried.

With this, it is like the child was a malevolent little cunt and decided to scribble all over the Mona Lisa (the Mona Lisa being Fallout: New Vegas, which represented pure incline over Fallout 3).

 

[ArchAngel]

No thanks bro. You can keep it. You have to try hard to earn tags around here.

Unlike some Codexers, I play something before I judge it, and I'm not a thief. Besides, it can't be retarded to hate Fallout 4. Liking Fallout 4, on the other hand...

Now you deserve one just for that comment.

 

[Daemongar]

At the end of the day, this is what consultants told Bethesda they needed to the Fallout franchise to sell 20 million units. I'm sure they could create a game like NV which would be emotionally engaging and have fun rpg elements with varied quests and interesting outcomes. But they won't fucking do it because that would involve risk.

Please don't buy this. I hated Skyrim but because of sales, I can't even hope we'll go back to Morrowind. I made my peace with that. Even if this fails, I'm not sure we could ever go back to FO:NV, but I can hope. I don't want Skyrim with guns. I want Skyrim with choices, stats, and engagement.

 

[Black]

I'm sure they could create a game like NV

You're wrong then.

 

[donjn]

Why am I not surprised almost none of you like it?
Bethesda has become the "low hanging fruit" of these forums.
In a stroke of irony, it is you guys, who've become ...boring..
I can see it now, when you guys are elderly, you are watching tv, drooling, complaining about Bethesda and socialism..

 

[buzz]

They really dropped the bomb with this one. I just played it for two hours with two casual buddies who loved FO3 and everyone was bored the shit of it. We had more fun fucking around with the ragdolls.

Even the fucking intro was balls.

 

[Black]

They really dropped the bomb with this one.

Oh, screw you.

 

[Daemongar]

You're wrong then.

No. That's the problem. You are thinking that they don't have the talent or couldn't secure the talent if they wanted it. They can, but they choose not to. You act like Bethesda is trying to make the great RPG and failing due to incompetence. Personally, I don't really think they give a shit about RPG's or any kind of mystique - games are widgets. Their mission is to sell a lot of them.

You see 20 Million in sales as sign of quality and excellence, they see it as an outcome made up of marketing, paid reviews, and quality. Probably in that order. Nowhere in their top three objectives for Fallout 4 would "compelling rpg" find a place. Nor story. Nor replayability. Those things may be in the top 10 items for the game, but Bethesda is a business. Hell, if the game is anything like DA:O, they may see social justice as higher on the list of priorities than "compelling rpg."

If Bethesda's top priority was to make a good rpg, they probably would have done ok. But that's not what their job is. Their job is to sell games that appeal to as many slobs as possible. So I don't buy this crap, and don't buy Bioware shit either.

 

[Jaesun]

 

[Phage]

At the end of the day, this is what consultants told Bethesda they needed to the Fallout franchise to sell 20 million units. I'm sure they could create a game like NV which would be emotionally engaging and have fun rpg elements with varied quests and interesting outcomes. But they won't fucking do it because that would involve risk.

No, Bethesda is incapable of it. They'd need to absorb some new talent and elevate them to high levels in order to make anything emotionally charged. Morrowind is one of my favorite games (fuck you faggots) and that game still has a mediocre story, with no real emotional engagement. It's entirely the atmosphere, environment, and rise from 'Guy Who Gets Winded After Running for 8 seconds' to 'Capable of Punching Vivec to Death' that make that game special. I guarantee you that Toddward is convinced that FO3 and FO4 have extremely emotional stories due to the dad/son shit; this is perpetrated by common opinion from media and plebs alike.

 

[Mastermind]

I expected something along the lines of Fallout 3, or Skyrim. Something clearly not Fallout, but something that tried, in a retarded way, to be a good game. Kind of like a young child making a drawing. They actually want to draw something nice for you. It looks awful, but they've tried.

With this, it is like the child was a malevolent little cunt and decided to scribble all over the Mona Lisa (the Mona Lisa being Fallout: New Vegas, which represented pure incline over Fallout 3).

Yeah nothing says "pure incline" like a mostly empty desert with the odd ruined shack to make you think there's something there.