For those who played Fallout 2 before playing Fallout

[someone else]

A poll only for those who played Fallout 2 before playing Fallout. Which of the two do you like more?

edit: add options for those who played in different order.

 

[Double Ogre]

How many times did we have this discussion? Anyway, the following sums it up pretty nicely:

Fallout 1 is a well focused game. It's perfect. Everything is well designed, well thought-through, makes sense, and fits the theme and the setting. The Master, the "villain" of the game, isn't really a villain (he thought that he was doing the right thing), which is why it's possible to defeat him without a fight.

Fallout 2 is a "mix of everything" game. It's a game designed by a bunch of 13-year olds following the unbeatable "won't it be cool if the game had...." principle. It has huge gangsters with tommy guns running casinos, it has yakuza with samurai swords, it has so many weapons that you can switch to a new gun every 5 min, it has more lulz than the Codex, it has a king-fu fighting town, it has scientologists with celebrities, it has tribals, aliens, drug dealers, talking deathclaws, and even real GHOSTS. The game's a joke.

The main villain is a stereotypical "I kill everyone for the lulz" villain who looks like a giant robot. (the 13 year olds strike again!) You can't reason with him. The only way to beat the game is to fight him.

Overall, I feel that FO2 locations, NPCs, and quests are clearly inferior to FO1. While FO2 is better than most games (mostly due to being a sequel to a great game), it failed to deliver the quality of the original.

/thread

 

[Kavax]

Fallout 2. It had more variety, more replayability, more factions, more humor, and the endings worked correctly, though I played Fallout first.

 

[Devadatta]

Got bored with 2 after a short while and thought 1 was worth a shot, the only thing that phased me was the clunkier inventory and I had an OK time. I only really appreciated 1 on my 2nd/3rd play through however.

 

[nomask7]

How many times did we have this discussion? Anyway, the following sums it up pretty nicely:

Fallout 1 is a well focused game. It's perfect. Everything is well designed, well thought-through, makes sense, and fits the theme and the setting. The Master, the "villain" of the game, isn't really a villain (he thought that he was doing the right thing), which is why it's possible to defeat him without a fight.

Fallout 2 is a "mix of everything" game. It's a game designed by a bunch of 13-year olds following the unbeatable "won't it be cool if the game had...." principle. It has huge gangsters with tommy guns running casinos, it has yakuza with samurai swords, it has so many weapons that you can switch to a new gun every 5 min, it has more lulz than the Codex, it has a king-fu fighting town, it has scientologists with celebrities, it has tribals, aliens, drug dealers, talking deathclaws, and even real GHOSTS. The game's a joke.

The main villain is a stereotypical "I kill everyone for the lulz" villain who looks like a giant robot. (the 13 year olds strike again!) You can't reason with him. The only way to beat the game is to fight him.

Overall, I feel that FO2 locations, NPCs, and quests are clearly inferior to FO1. While FO2 is better than most games (mostly due to being a sequel to a great game), it failed to deliver the quality of the original.

/thread

Yes, well put. And I played FO2 first.

 

[Black]

I'm so oldschool I don't even remember which FO I had played first B)

 

[Shannow]

Which of the two do you like more?

How many times did we have this discussion?

Which. One. Do. You. Like. More.

Or do you need to discuss that with your other personalities first?

If you find the thread boring, find it boring for what it is, not for what you want it to be.

 

[JarlFrank]

I prefer FO2 because of moar content and no time limit.
Though I have to agree that it's disorganized compared to the original and has too much features that have probably just been added because they're cool.
It's still much truer to its predecessor than FO3.

 

[Azael]

What <s>Drog</s> VD said, Fallout is a more focused and better experience all around, there are too many distracting elements in the sequel, which still is a great game.

 

[1eyedking]

Fallout 2.

Humor. Tribals. More weapons. Scientologists. Gangsters. More Fallout. Talking plants. Talking animals. One-liners. Torr. Porn studios. Cars. More drugs. More mutants. Wanamingos. Government conspiracies.

The game has it all.

In fact it's one of the only games with a justified economy and political agenda (the whole Modoc and GF deal; the VC, NR, BH, Redding, NCR thing). And dissing the blind cunt that can be VaultDweller sometimes, the main villain is not Horrigan (more like a boss fight, hurr durr); it's actual villain thinking it's doing the right thing is the Enclave.

Also the game ends with the same ironic tone as the first one: the same nuclear explosions that cleansed the world of life are the ones that save it in the end.

FAIL.

 

[kris]

Fallout had a much better visualised setting, fallout 2 had more content. While some F2 content was stupid, it also had a lot of great content.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Fallout 2.

Humor. Tribals. More weapons. Scientologists. Gangsters. More Fallout. Talking plants. Talking animals. One-liners. Torr. Porn studios. Cars. More drugs. More mutants. Wanamingos. Government conspiracies.

The game has it all.

Not all. It didn't have alien motherships, Liam Nesson, nuclear catapults, and giant robots. Thank God for Bethesda.

And dissing the blind cunt that can be VaultDweller sometimes, the main villain is not Horrigan (more like a boss fight, hurr durr); it's actual villain thinking it's doing the right thing is the Enclave.

Deep. And in Diablo, the main villain isn't Diablo, but the society which failed to leave the soulstone alone and stay the fuck away from it. I get it now. Your clarification was very helpful.

Btw:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/villain

"a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot."

The Enclave isn't a villain. It's an organization [with a really dumb goal]. Do the Enclave troopers give a fuck about this goal? No. Would the Enclave remain a threat as long as a single trooper lives? No. Would killing 100 troopers have any effect on the Enclave operations or the game? No. Does killing Frankie end the game? Yes, it does. Is he evil? Yes, because we are shown how MWAHAHAHA evil he is in the beginning of the game. Ergo, he is the villain.

Your rebuttal.

 

[Kavax]

The Master is not a villain, and he's so much deeper than the president in Fallout 2, right?

 

[Darth Roxor]

2 > 1

 

[Vault Dweller]

He certainly is, although I have to admit that your arguments, so cleverly represented by the emoticon, made me doubt my position for a moment.

 

[bhlaab]

Saying Horrigan is the villain of Fallout 2 is like saying the sherrif is the villain of Vampire: Bloodlines. Yeah, out of all of the Dudes he is the Strongest Dude, but he has a "right hand man" quality about him.

Anyway, not important. I prefer Fallout 2 because despite being a bigger game than the first, the quest design is much better. And I must have a higher threshhold for hokeyness, since much of what you listed I either liked or found so minute I could ignore it.

 

[Kavax]

He certainly is, although I have to admit that your arguments, so cleverly represented by the emoticon, made me doubt my position for a moment.

He's saying exactly the same thing as the president in Fallout 2, only that you don't get the option of joining him.

 

[Barrow_Bug]

FO2 was, well, more fun.

 

[Monocause]

Played FO1 first, liked FO2 more. Reasons were already stated: more variety, more fun.

The Master is not a villain, and he's so much deeper than the president in Fallout 2, right?

ProTip: When attacking an opinion - of which you know that it is widely supported - it helps to provide proper arguments.

EDIT:

He's saying almost the same thing as the president in Fallout 2, only that you don't get the option of joining him.

No, he's not. I've played the classics quite a while ago, so I may have forgotten something, but while the Master's reasons had that kind of Machiavellian reason behind them, Enclave's reasoning was completely flawed. Master talked about unity and getting rid of divisions, the Enclave wanted to commit genocide on a huge scale just because it deemed the people on the mainland to be 'corrupted'.

 

[nomask7]

As I predicted, idiots tend to prefer FO2, while intelligent people who can sense & derive pleasure from expertly built aesthetic structures prefer FO1.

 

[Kavax]

ProTip: When attacking an opinion - of which you know that it is widely supported - it helps to provide proper arguments.

I let my evidence speak for itself. Or do I have to post screenies of Richardson too?

 

[Barrow_Bug]

As I predicted, idiots tend to prefer FO2, while intelligent people who can sense & derive pleasure from expertly built aesthetic structures prefer FO1.

 

[Monocause]

As I predicted, idiots tend to prefer FO2, while intelligent people who can sense & derive pleasure from expertly built aesthetic structures prefer FO1.

With you obviously belonging to the first category.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Anyway, not important. I prefer Fallout 2 because despite being a bigger game than the first, the quest design is much better.

Yep. Quests like "give the ghost its locket", "deliver a meal to Smitty", or "find a book I lost somewhere" always surprise me with the depth of their design.

Saying Horrigan is the villain of Fallout 2 is like saying the sherrif is the villain of Vampire: Bloodlines. Yeah, out of all of the Dudes he is the Strongest Dude, but he has a "right hand man" quality about him.

And? The right hand man can't be a villain?

He's saying almost the same thing as the president in Fallout 2, only that you don't get the option of joining him.

He isn't saying "almost the same thing as the president". In fact - if you pay attention - his points are the opposite, which is what makes his position reasonable and him not as evil as he may appear initially. His position makes sense. The president's position is stupid bullshit that can easily compete with and fit right into Fallout 3 design.

 

[Kavax]

He's saying almost the same thing as the president in Fallout 2, only that you don't get the option of joining him.

He isn't saying "almost the same thing as the president". In fact - if you pay attention - his points are the opposite, which is what makes his position reasonable and him not as evil as he may appear initially. His position makes sense. The president's position is stupid bullshit that can easily compete with and fit right into Fallout 3 design.

No, it's exactly the same. Both want one "race" (Super Mutants in the case of the Master, "unradiated humans" in the case of Richardson) to prevail over the other. The Master kills everyone who doesn't agree with him, the Enclave in Fallout 2 does the same. The Master can be convinced that is plan is totally unfeasible, and in Fallout 2 you can convince an Enclave researcher that both kinds of human are the same.