Guys I found a New Vegas plot hole

[kingcomrade]

Why do NCR citizens need to travel to New Vegas when they've already got New Reno? :emote:

 

[CrimHead]

such biting wit

 

[Phage]

I assume (hope) you're joking around...

but to answer your question

New Vegas is supposed to actually be very much full of people and life... to a greater extent than New Reno. I also assume there are more intact buildngs in New Vegas than Reno.

Casinos and the New Vegas strip itself should be packed full of people (similar to real life Vegas). Unfortunately, whether due to engine limitations or Obsidian inability, this is not very well shown in the game.


I think the real "plot hole" is why after 200+ years so little progress towards rebuilding has been made.

 

[roll-a-die]

I assume (hope) you're joking around...

but to answer your question

New Vegas is supposed to actually be very much full of people and life... to a greater extent than New Reno. I also assume there are more intact buildngs in New Vegas than Reno.

Casinos and the New Vegas strip itself should be packed full of people (similar to real life Vegas). Unfortunately, whether due to engine limitations or Obsidian inability, this is not very well shown in the game.


I think the real "plot hole" is why after 200+ years so little progress towards rebuilding has been made.

Engine limits, the GB engine can only render about 20 people on screen at a time, and doesn't feature much in the way of entity culling.

As for 200+ years, well, he spent most of that larking about underground, it was only when NCR and Legion started making noise that he even started to care about what was happening above him. He explains that most of the restoration that has been done has happened in the last 10 or 15 years, IIRC.

 

[RK47]

I think most of the crowd in the Strip comes from the frontier explorers / traders of NCR.

The big money types coming from NCR are usually there to secure business deals in the Mojave Desert.But the regular income comes from NCR troops stationed outside Vegas who went on leave.

 

[kingcomrade]

such biting wit

it's razor wit. the one that bites is satire.

And I do agree, New Vegas itself is really dead and empty. When I first went into a casino (I think the first one I went to was the one where Benny is) and I saw more employees than patrons, just a handful of people playing cards by themselves with the dealers.

 

[DalekFlay]

I think most of the crowd in the Strip comes from the frontier explorers / traders of NCR.

The big money types coming from NCR are usually there to secure business deals in the Mojave Desert.But the regular income comes from NCR troops stationed outside Vegas who went on leave.

Yeah, I haven't seen many people saying they came to New Vegas to get rich in the casinos from California. Most of them are traders or pioneers. The NCR is only there for the dam. Also, in West Side one of the merchants mentions New Reno is still run by crime lords, so are we sure they are in the NCR in official continuity?

 

[fizzelopeguss]

such biting wit

it's razor wit. the one that bites is satire.

And I do agree, New Vegas itself is really dead and empty. When I first went into a casino (I think the first one I went to was the one where Benny is) and I saw more employees than patrons, just a handful of people playing cards by themselves with the dealers.

i thought my game was bugged with all the empty casinos.

 

[Phage]

As for 200+ years, well, he spent most of that larking about underground, it was only when NCR and Legion started making noise that he even started to care about what was happening above him. He explains that most of the restoration that has been done has happened in the last 10 or 15 years, IIRC.

I was referring to the mojave wasteland in general. (Fallout 3 had the same problem). So many buildings are broken down, and their insides still completely cluttered/dusty. I understand this looks "post apoc" but after 200 years, with some successful continuation of mankind, I sure would hope that people would start.. rebuilding things... or at the very least clean up their dwellings.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

As for 200+ years, well, he spent most of that larking about underground, it was only when NCR and Legion started making noise that he even started to care about what was happening above him. He explains that most of the restoration that has been done has happened in the last 10 or 15 years, IIRC.

I was referring to the mojave wasteland in general. (Fallout 3 had the same problem). So many buildings are broken down, and their insides still completely cluttered/dusty. I understand this looks "post apoc" but after 200 years, with some successful continuation of mankind, I sure would hope that people would start.. rebuilding things... or at the very least clean up their dwellings.

Yea, I can dig buildings looking like this with makeshift repairs (since as someone explained before, it's the lack of raw materials and widespread expertise). But what is wrong is with people's homes being full of garbage and their fucking picket fences.

 

[SimpleComplexity]

Shop owners don't close their shops when they go to sleep in their home.

 

[DalekFlay]

I was referring to the mojave wasteland in general. (Fallout 3 had the same problem). So many buildings are broken down, and their insides still completely cluttered/dusty. I understand this looks "post apoc" but after 200 years, with some successful continuation of mankind, I sure would hope that people would start.. rebuilding things... or at the very least clean up their dwellings.

Yeah, it's sort of a conceit isn't it? On the other hand though most of the clutter around New Vegas is cars and cement rubble, which would be hard to move without mechanical equipment, which no one seems to have working. Why they can repair everything but cars and trucks I have no idea.

 

[Havoc]

Shop owners don't close their shops when they go to sleep in their home.

Why would they? This is a PA world... if somebody wants to buys something from you, you get up and sell!

 

[CrimsonAngel]

As for 200+ years, well, he spent most of that larking about underground, it was only when NCR and Legion started making noise that he even started to care about what was happening above him. He explains that most of the restoration that has been done has happened in the last 10 or 15 years, IIRC.

I was referring to the mojave wasteland in general. (Fallout 3 had the same problem). So many buildings are broken down, and their insides still completely cluttered/dusty. I understand this looks "post apoc" but after 200 years, with some successful continuation of mankind, I sure would hope that people would start.. rebuilding things... or at the very least clean up their dwellings.

Yea, I can dig buildings looking like this with makeshift repairs (since as someone explained before, it's the lack of raw materials and widespread expertise). But what is wrong is with people's homes being full of garbage and their fucking picket fences.

Because they are a poor and poor people are dirty.

 

[Morkar Left]

As for 200+ years, well, he spent most of that larking about underground, it was only when NCR and Legion started making noise that he even started to care about what was happening above him. He explains that most of the restoration that has been done has happened in the last 10 or 15 years, IIRC.

I was referring to the mojave wasteland in general. (Fallout 3 had the same problem). So many buildings are broken down, and their insides still completely cluttered/dusty. I understand this looks "post apoc" but after 200 years, with some successful continuation of mankind, I sure would hope that people would start.. rebuilding things... or at the very least clean up their dwellings.

Yea, I can dig buildings looking like this with makeshift repairs (since as someone explained before, it's the lack of raw materials and widespread expertise). But what is wrong is with people's homes being full of garbage and their fucking picket fences.

Because they are a poor and poor people are dirty.

Clean up New Vegas

It´s a step forward.

 

[SoupNazi]

Guys, if you shoot at cars for long enough, they explode.

 

[Elwro]

Shop owners don't close their shops when they go to sleep in their home.

The Gift Shop owner in Novac told me to "come back when the store is open".

 

[Luzur]

As for 200+ years, well, he spent most of that larking about underground, it was only when NCR and Legion started making noise that he even started to care about what was happening above him. He explains that most of the restoration that has been done has happened in the last 10 or 15 years, IIRC.

I was referring to the mojave wasteland in general. (Fallout 3 had the same problem). So many buildings are broken down, and their insides still completely cluttered/dusty. I understand this looks "post apoc" but after 200 years, with some successful continuation of mankind, I sure would hope that people would start.. rebuilding things... or at the very least clean up their dwellings.

Yea, I can dig buildings looking like this with makeshift repairs (since as someone explained before, it's the lack of raw materials and widespread expertise). But what is wrong is with people's homes being full of garbage and their fucking picket fences.

well, someone had the time and resources to go around and board up all those empty houses though..

but yeah the whole 200+ years since Fallout 2 was abit exaggerating by Bethesda, it should have been just 20+ years instead.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Why they can repair everything but cars and trucks I have no idea.

There are trucks at Camp McCarren that look like they work and are used by the NCR military.

 

[Drakron]

Well the issue is fuel.

Fission engines just started to be introduced when the Great War broken out, the majority still used the old combustion engine.

I could point out the biggest issue is not fuel ... its lubricants, things that you really need to keep things working even if you have a alternative power source besides oil.

 

[racofer]

Pardon my ignorance on the matter, but wouldn't baby fat work as lubricant?

 

[laclongquan]

Pardon my ignorance on the matter but isnt the region devoid of mineral mines? And most of your metal supplies come from foreign or at least out-state sources? And why people dont chop up the rusty cars to get metals to make tools and stuffs? It sure is cheaper than paying a shitload of money for transported metals.

 

[Redeye]

Pardon my ignorance on the matter but isnt the region devoid of mineral mines? And most of your metal supplies come from foreign or at least out-state sources? And why people dont chop up the rusty cars to get metals to make tools and stuffs? It sure is cheaper than paying a shitload of money for transported metals.

Nevada is loaded with mines.

 

[roll-a-die]

Pardon my ignorance on the matter but isnt the region devoid of mineral mines? And most of your metal supplies come from foreign or at least out-state sources? And why people dont chop up the rusty cars to get metals to make tools and stuffs? It sure is cheaper than paying a shitload of money for transported metals.

Nevada is loaded with mines.

Indeed it's called the silver state for a reason, this is another reason why both NCR and Caesers legion would want Navada, BADLY.