Baldur's Gate Is Viconia evil? and other Drow discussions

[Storyfag]

I refuse to accept brown-skinned drow as a thing. Charcoal gray or gtfo.

 

[Cael]

I refuse to accept brown-skinned drow as a thing.

Welcome to 5th Ed.

 

[catfood]

I refuse to accept brown-skinned drow as a thing.

Welcome to AD&D.

Fixed.

 

[Cael]

I refuse to accept brown-skinned drow as a thing.

Welcome to AD&D.

Fixed.

I think he is referring to the FR lore where Eilistrae sacrificed herself to save the drow not demon tainted by the fall. Those non-tainted ones turned into a brown-skinned subtype while the tainted ones remained black skinned. It was told in the Lady Penitent saga.

5th Ed strikes again.

 

[Elex]

drow are not brown in D&D 5e

 

[Cael]

drow are not brown in D&D 5e

They haven't been brown for a very long time. Even Viconia back in 2nd Ed was that blue-grey colour. This became a plot point when, as I mentioned before, Corellon (after Eilistrae got killed) brought the untainted, innocent drow back to the fold. Their skin reverted back to the old brown. This was also the retcon they used to explain why drow like Drz'zt and Liriel exist (they weren't tainted by the demon, and so they had the chance to turn away from Evil), although Drz'zt was explicitly said to be not one of those. He retained his black skin.

 

[Ismaul]

Seriously though why is the proposition "Drows are brown in 5E" even uttered? Have you guys heard of campaign settings? 5E is the rules FFS.

Drows don't have to be a specific color in all campaign settings. You can do whatever with them in your homebrew, and different official settings can make them brown, grey, purple or black, whatever the fuck. Pretty sure the artists aren't limited to one particular interpretation. They're dark-skinned. But even then if you really wanted you could have a race of albino drow, whatever. You could even have a pseudo-naturalistic explanation for it: no dark pigmentation because they don't have to protect themselves from the sun, since they live underground. That light sensitivity might even make more sense then.

And so what if Forgotten Realms would've made drow brown? Serves the setting right, it's shit anyways and no coloring can change that.

And if the outrage is because you hate niggers, well now you can kill them. Or be them, fuck 'em, have them as slaves, wear their skin, genocide them, whatever.

 

[Cael]

Seriously though why is the proposition "Drows are brown in 5E" even uttered? Have you guys heard of campaign settings? 5E is the rules FFS.

Drows don't have to be a specific color in all campaign settings. You can do whatever with them in your homebrew, and different official settings can make them brown, grey, purple or black, whatever the fuck. Pretty sure the artists aren't limited to one particular interpretation. They're dark-skinned. But even then if you really wanted you could have a race of albino drow, whatever. You could even have a pseudo-naturalistic explanation for it: no dark pigmentation because they don't have to protect themselves from the sun, since they live underground. That light sensitivity might even make more sense then.

And so what if Forgotten Realms would've made drow brown? Serves the setting right, it's shit anyways and no coloring can change that.

And if the outrage is because you hate niggers, well now you can kill them. Or be them, fuck 'em, have them as slaves, wear their skin, genocide them, whatever.

Drow came into the RPG lexicon because of FR. It was RA Salvatore through his Driz'zt series that made them the cultural force they are.

Know your history.

 

[Fairfax]

Drow came into the RPG lexicon because of FR. It was RA Salvatore through his Driz'zt series that made them the cultural force they are.

Know your history.

Drow were created by Gary Gygax for AD&D 10 years before the first FR book was published. Only Gygax's work is authoritative re: drow, FR lore is as relevant as anyone's homebrew.

 

[thesheeep]

Drow came into the RPG lexicon because of FR. It was RA Salvatore through his Driz'zt series that made them the cultural force they are.

Know your history.

Drow were created by Gary Gygax for AD&D 10 years before the first FR book was published. Only Gygax's work is authoritative re: drow, FR lore is as relevant as anyone's homebrew.

It is of equal relevance who initially created something and who brought it to a larger audience. There's no B without A, but you wouldn't even know about A without B.

 

[Neanderthal]

Elves are all black when burned.

 

[Delterius]

drows are nazis so they should be white

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Elves are all black when burned.

Grey if they turn into ash.

 

[Ismaul]

Drow came into the RPG lexicon because of FR. It was RA Salvatore through his Driz'zt series that made them the cultural force they are.

Know your history.

Not true. Drow were in the AD&D monster manual, and then in Greyhawk adventures, long before anything Forgotten Realms was published. This is from the AD&D 1E MM:

 

[Cael]

Drow came into the RPG lexicon because of FR. It was RA Salvatore through his Driz'zt series that made them the cultural force they are.

Know your history.

Not true. Drow were in the AD&D monster manual, and then in Greyhawk adventures, long before anything Forgotten Realms was published. This is from the AD&D 1E MM:

I didn't say he created them. I said he brought them into the public consciousness in a huge way. You lot think you know things but are merely a big joke.

 

[Neanderthal]

Vault of the Drow really brought em to prominence in mind of role players I think, and that were strengthened by fiend folio where if I remember right you had first rules for playing as em.

 

[Ismaul]

And that's a decade before Drizzt's first appearance in a book.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Drow made their first appearance in the 1978 adventure module G3 Hall of the Fire Giants, where they were revealed to have been encouraging the giants to war on humans and where the player-characters have several encounters against the Drow. At the end of this module, the PCs obtain a map leading to the sequel series of adventure modules, D1 Descent into the Depths of the Earth, D2 Shrine of the Kuo-Toa, and D3 Vault of the Drow (all also published in 1978), culminating in Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits (1980), where the PCs confront Lolth herself. These were eventually compiled in GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders.

 

[Fairfax]

Cael is a hyper-aggressive, butthurt turd who struts around the forums spreading misinfo about D&D cRPGs, based on his tabletop charlatanry.

Ask Cael about ANYTHING: the clown is all-too-ready to pose as an expert on literally every field of human endeavor.

 

[YldriE]

Spoiler

Justine Trudeau.

 

[Cael]

Vault of the Drow really brought em to prominence in mind of role players I think, and that were strengthened by fiend folio where if I remember right you had first rules for playing as em.

And yet, it is the emo drow ranger wielding two swords that became a meme in RPG circles.

 

[Citizen]

"Black Elves"

 

[catfood]

Around black elves watch yourselves.

 

[Space Satan]

Drow always were a cartoon villains. Oh, we are so evil we worship spiders and perform raids and have slavery. Oh we are so depraved that we often have orgies where drow males insert their pee-pee into drow female's no-no.
At their peak they stated a massive raid and failed because, well...sun. 1000 years of experience and this crap is everywhere. 1000 year old fighters die to some farmer's arrow. 20000 drow in their MAIN city presented as THE HEART OF EVIL EMPIRE, which is, like, Luskan and threat levels of syrian refugee sweden ghetto. Even Red Wizard fare better as evil organization, not to say Zhentarim.

 

[Cael]

Drow always were a cartoon villains. Oh, we are so evil we worship spiders and perform raids and have slavery. Oh we are so depraved that we often have orgies where drow males insert their pee-pee into drow female's no-no.
At their peak they stated a massive raid and failed because, well...sun. 1000 years of experience and this crap is everywhere. 1000 year old fighters die to some farmer's arrow. 20000 drow in their MAIN city presented as THE HEART OF EVIL EMPIRE, which is, like, Luskan and threat levels of syrian refugee sweden ghetto. Even Red Wizard fare better as evil organization, not to say Zhentarim.

Being mostly Chaotic Evil has its downsides... :D