1eyedking Japanese games are shit. Here's why.

[Zomg]

They do look alike and it's weird you aren't seeing it. You could have easily put up like Dragon Ball vs. Utena instead of some self-consciously hip quirky thing that's obviously drawing from shoujoface manga

 

[Black Cat]

You could have easily put up like Dragon Ball vs. Utena instead of some self-consciously hip quirky thing that's obviously drawing from shoujoface manga.

I just said it. They both have oval faces. Wow. That makes them totally alike, regardless of everything else being completely diferent, Blame's style being quite notorious because it plays with the uncanny valley and out of proportion bodies constantly since none of the characters is actually human, just either imitating human form or a piece of transhumanism gone very wrong.

Also,

I did a quick GIS of Blame! and thought the same.

Shoujo-face manga? :/

And,

Shoujo-like?

That must have been a very, very quick GIS you did, then.

 

[Black Cat]

The last three are generic animu, except perhaps the very last one which looks exactly like fucking Trigun.

No, they aren't. The face shapes and proportions are completely diferent. But you already knew that.

Also, compare Domo's face with Trigun's main character again. Doh, they have spiky hair! End of the similitudes, thank you.

 

[Zomg]

Just do like Kaiji vs. Dragonball vs. some late '70s ultra shoujo if you want to win the argument instead of showing off the hip thing you like

 

[Zeus]

Like previous posters pointed out, it's not like Western RPGs don't have their share of generic characters.

Chainmail Bikinis, Leatherclad frowning 30-something mercenaries and bearded old men in ladies dresses run rampant on these shores.

 

[Archibald]

I guess there are two art directions in the world, west and east.

 

[Black Cat]

Just do like Kaiji vs. Dragonball vs. some late '70s ultra shoujo if you want to win the argument instead of showing off the hip thing you like

Blame's unique but it isn't really my thing, sorry. I just posted the images because someone said he did a GIS and saw if you color the resulting images it looks just like Utena. Which only shows he's being stupid, as the style is nothing alike outside one girl having an oval shaped ceramic mask reminiscent of the shoujo style.

I prefer things like Earl and Fairy, myself.

Same hair, same facial structure

You are right, yes. They are identical. Same art style, totally.

Everyone in Japan draws alike. It's science.

I guess there are two art directions in the world, west and east.

Indeed.

 

[Malakal]

Well fine, if those are all the same show us real, western of course, different concepts characters and art and stuffies for games and comics.

 

[Malakal]

Well fine, if those are all the same show us real, western of course, different concepts characters and art and stuffies for games and comics.

Anyone could just pull out Gears of War and compare it to The Longest Journey. You need to define parametres to make it fair for weaboos, e.g. only popular mainstream games, only Marvel/DC comics etc.

No, pick anything. I wonder what do You define as different.

 

[Serious_Business]

The problem with this thread is that it's basically generated by Alexandros conventional "I have values, assume others share them with me and I post on rpgcodex" faggot-like disgust of Sengoku Rance (which is, we shall agree for once I am sure, the best jrpg ever and tops a lot of wrpgs). It's not like he played any jrpg extensively, he just saw the H scences of Rance and stare wide-eyed for hours, the process breaking his fragile innocence, and now he has to concretely conceptualise his disgust as so he might put away his fears of the subject (which probably have their source in his healthy sex life and dogmatic respect for women, which is totally unnacceptable).

Anyway :

 

[FeelTheRads]

different concepts characters and art and stuffies for games and comics.

You're just trying to get in BC's pants.

 

[Brotherman Bill]

That guy with the four barrel gun has a different art direction from all the others if you can forget the hair and, well, the fact that the gun has four barrels. Could as well have added a sword while they were at it.

Do you have any artistic feeling? Can you spot the difference between high end non commercial art and a shitty commercialism?

Which one is which?

 

[Black Cat]

Anyone could just pull out Gears of War and compare it to The Longest Journey. You need to define parametres to make it fair for weaboos.

I thought we were trying to show diferences between similar things. Otherwise...

Kuon.

Final Fantasy IX.

 

[PorkaMorka]

Thread would be a lot more interesting if it started with a more reasonable OP.

There seem to be certain factors in common that drag down a lot of JRPGs and Japtactical games.

But you stated your case too broadly so it's not worth seriousposting in this thread.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Wizardry: Tales of the Forsaken Land. It's as good as if not better than most of the PC classics of yore. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne rivals them in a lot of ways, but what many people consider its strengths - having to delve deeply into the system to the point where many tough battles are more like puzzles than fights - I found wearying and made me stop halfway through. But, again, I can give it credit where it's due.

That's it? A couple of wizardry rip offs, with one from 2001, no less? Sorry, but you are going to have to do better then that. I want you to take every single Western classic from every era and genre (not just turn based Wizardry wannabes with retarded animu shit slapped over it) and find me a worthy Japanese counter part for each. Only then i will concede to any merit for the Japanese industry.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

I want you to fulfill a ridiculously huge request that's likely to be dismissed with a "lolno" anyway. Then, and only, i will concede to any merit

That's not how it works, LS

 

[bert]

This thread:

 

[Achilles]

Writing a dozen paragraphs consisting of "shitsux" isn't any more elite than saying the same thing on an one-liner, you know

It's just an opinion, I was not trying to prove that these points were the absolute truth. I can see how someone could have a different opinion and I'm fine with that. I just wanted to know how other people see japanese games.

Do you ever play a game with tasteful sex in it? I want to know.

I thought Fahrenheit took a decent stab at it. You are correct though, sex in games is largely tasteless. In my opinion, even more so in japanese games where all their disturbing fetishes come into play.

In before Black Cat getting trolled AGAIN and repeating her argumentation for the n-th time.
Do you really think that Alexandros missed 2-3 recent threads where all this shit was discussed back and forth?

I'm not into trolling. I complained about the abundance of jrpg-related threads and Clockwork Knight pointed out that I should start my own thread if I wanted to talk about it, so I did. People also thought that I was trying to troll the Rance thread when I posted my opinion. I said I would never post again in that thread in order to avoid disrupting it and I kept my promise. I think I've earned the right to be taken seriously, whether someone agrees with me or not.

I could understand bashing a game but a whole genre?

He's not bashing an entire genre, he's bashing the entire japanese game industry

Not really. There are good games that come out of Japan and I have no problem admitting that. In my opinion, though, the japanese gaming industry has some characteristics that seem to be present in many games. I dislike most of these charateristics so I'm not very fond of the majority of japanese games. I posted them and I wanted to find out a) if we could agree on some things that japanese games don't do that well and b) hear what other people have to say. Maybe the title was a bit provocative, something along the lines of "why I don't like japanese games" would have been a better choice, but it's not my intention to bash or troll.

@Vagiel: Hello greek bro . Not every thread has to go somewhere, in fact most don't. It's more about the discussion, even if we don't reach some sort of conclusion.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

Wizardry: Tales of the Forsaken Land. It's as good as if not better than most of the PC classics of yore. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne rivals them in a lot of ways, but what many people consider its strengths - having to delve deeply into the system to the point where many tough battles are more like puzzles than fights - I found wearying and made me stop halfway through. But, again, I can give it credit where it's due.

That's it? A couple of wizardry rip offs, with one from 2001, no less? Sorry, but you are going to have to do better then that. I want you to take every single Western classic from every era and genre (not just turn based Wizardry wannabes with retarded animu shit slapped over it) and find me a worthy Japanese counter part for each. Only then i will concede to any merit for the Japanese industry.

And what percentage of my course grade will this spur-of-the-moment essay comprise sir

 

[Archibald]

That's it? A couple of wizardry rip offs, with one from 2001, no less? Sorry, but you are going to have to do better then that. I want you to take every single Western classic from every era and genre (not just turn based Wizardry wannabes with retarded animu shit slapped over it) and find me a worthy Japanese counter part for each. Only then i will concede to any merit for the Japanese industry.

It`s not like there is a definitive list of "western classics".

Besides, if japanese rpgs aren`t as good as few gems from the west then their whole industy is crap? Download logic ffs.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

I'm not into trolling. I complained about the abundance of jrpg-related threads and Clockwork Knight pointed out that I should start my own thread if I wanted to talk about it, so I did.

I said that if all the jrpg talk is bothersome, then anyone who didn't like it could create threads to incite quality discussion about wrpgs. There's no Hivemind to supply us with awesome; if people want intelligent (read: stuff I agree with) arguments, then they have to create them. Sitting on your ass and posting over and over doesn't help. So, since no one is interested in talking about what they supposedly like, the weeaboos take over.

"Shitsux" will only get knee-jerk reactions and shouldn't really have a place out of GD.

Yeah, it's your opinion, but what sort of discussion do you think could come from "X is terrible shit, period"?

 

[PorkaMorka]

The real question everybody should be asking themselves is, are there Japanese counterparts to the great western classics?

Post a list of your top 10 Western / Russian RPGs and top 10 Western / Russian Turn based tactics games.

I bet we could legitimately bump off some of the Western / Russian turn based tactics games and replace them with Japanese games.

But you'd be hard pressed to get JRPGs onto the RPG list.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

what the fuck are the "western classics".

 

[bert]

 

[Damned Registrations]

LOL, you just listed what, 4-5 brown haired stubbly space marines as evidence of western games having more variety? There's about as much difference between the lot of them as there is between any two final fantasy protagonists.

But you're obviously right, this:

looks just like this:

Totally the same style. They both have, like, eyes.

 

[Archibald]

what the fuck are the "western classics".

His favorite games i guess.