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Wasteland Jesus Christ did this game just get a 10 GB patch?
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No there really was a larger patch before but I don't think it was 10 GB tho, more like 4 or 5 (which is still pretty huge I guess) but I could be wrong, I didn't pay too much attention
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The first patch was 2.4GB. We added some hotfixes (fonts, French/Russian loc bug) which are a couple of MB each.
The patching process on Steam works by uploading a new build and Steam applying a diff. There's not much we can do about the download size of patches. Even on GOG which has a different approach the patch was still 1.5GB: some major files got changes and optimized, hence the large file size.
The patching process on Steam works by uploading a new build and Steam applying a diff. There's not much we can do about the download size of patches. Even on GOG which has a different approach the patch was still 1.5GB: some major files got changes and optimized, hence the large file size.
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Developers never change, never realize the advantages of common formats.
In this case, a common compressed container format would be patchable by steam (or whatever) from a diff of the files inside the file and would probably be very very small.
At this point even only steam (or whatever since i don't use steam) being aware of whatever unity uses as a container would be good.
In this case, a common compressed container format would be patchable by steam (or whatever) from a diff of the files inside the file and would probably be very very small.
At this point even only steam (or whatever since i don't use steam) being aware of whatever unity uses as a container would be good.
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The parts that 'contain' files that were modified. Remember, compressing things affects subsequent parts of the file (in badly designed / for maximum compression container formats anyway)
One way is to make the patcher container aware (and able to insert a valid file, which involves recompression). Another is to give up on compressing everything as a single file (a very bad idea for random access reading in a game anyway) and make the format more predictable so the diff patchers work better. No compression beyond single files, files inside the container are not themselves already 'containers' that stand for multiple files, and other engineering and standardization details.
There is really no reason why every single patch couldn't be 300 mb max and more likely 10 or 20 a pop.
One way is to make the patcher container aware (and able to insert a valid file, which involves recompression). Another is to give up on compressing everything as a single file (a very bad idea for random access reading in a game anyway) and make the format more predictable so the diff patchers work better. No compression beyond single files, files inside the container are not themselves already 'containers' that stand for multiple files, and other engineering and standardization details.
There is really no reason why every single patch couldn't be 300 mb max and more likely 10 or 20 a pop.
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The container formats are designed to be easier/faster for games to read and operate on. Instead of accessing multiple files through the OS they memory-map and access a single file in sections. Instead of relying on a single file hierarchy (folders files etc), they can make 2 so that 'O.S. level' files override the 'Container level' files (used to mod in D:OS for instance).
Which is why it's total shit that if steam is using a diff patcher that whole files are being replaced, because these containers are normally not compressed 'solid' (as if it was a single file inside) for obvious reason (maybe in the process of memory mapping they uncompress it, i dunno). The only thing i can think is that the diff can't be so good without being aware of the bad design of the containers, like 'new containers' with the same files but different order, or different individual timestamps makes the diff freakout (this doesn't make much sense but neither does the situation).
Or some bullshit problem like that. Ideally these game engine formats (especially unity, wtf) should have been standardized into something patch ameanable long ago, preferably using a common dumb container format standard (like AVI) with predictable rules (like a single order for files, smallest to largest or something) so the diff doesn't freak out when it sees a later version of the container file where everything is reversed (but the same) so it replaces the whole file.
Which is why it's total shit that if steam is using a diff patcher that whole files are being replaced, because these containers are normally not compressed 'solid' (as if it was a single file inside) for obvious reason (maybe in the process of memory mapping they uncompress it, i dunno). The only thing i can think is that the diff can't be so good without being aware of the bad design of the containers, like 'new containers' with the same files but different order, or different individual timestamps makes the diff freakout (this doesn't make much sense but neither does the situation).
Or some bullshit problem like that. Ideally these game engine formats (especially unity, wtf) should have been standardized into something patch ameanable long ago, preferably using a common dumb container format standard (like AVI) with predictable rules (like a single order for files, smallest to largest or something) so the diff doesn't freak out when it sees a later version of the container file where everything is reversed (but the same) so it replaces the whole file.
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are you serious about max payne 3 sound files?? O_O
I'm amazed how the repackers were able to fit the whole game in 2,5 GB without any problem. And yet we have 1,4 GB patch. If someone has worse internet connection it's better for them to just keep the game in steam not installed and just go for a bootleg.
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Never thought I would read a comment like that on the dex
Hey, even AoD has achievements.
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I'm glad you are concentrating on fixing one of the major problems of the game. On a less important note, are aimed shots going to be implemented and are the combat-speed nuisances, with enemies crossing the terrain and attacking your flank in one move, going to be adressed ? Or have they been adressed already ? I have been stalling my W2 playthrough for these additions.
Could we have perks/traits and combat options before useless congratulatory pop-ups? 
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Listen to this man. He's sometimes right.Could we have perks/traits and combat options before useless congratulatory pop-ups?
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I dunno, something was definitely wrong with one of my patches too. I had to delete ~15gigs of porn to have the fucking thing download and apply. I guess Unity does the amazing thing of repacking the files each patch, which accounts of the appetite.
Fuck Unity, by the way.
Fuck Unity, by the way.
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Gaben has a problem with binary difference patching and loves wasting bandwidth, so patches on Steam will stay huge for the forseeable future.
Burning Bridges
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Why does Steam not allow patching with an executable?
I always knew Steam sucks donkey balls.
I always knew Steam sucks donkey balls.
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