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comrade troglodyte :M
It's not just the Skyrim thing though - I'm reading red lights all across the board.
It's not just the Skyrim thing though - I'm reading red lights all across the board.
OP Can you mention types of games you're looking for, or more specifically what you're looking for in a game? Of the games mentioned you've played:
Fallout
Fallout 2
Fallout 3
Fallout 3 : new Vegas
Dragon Age : origins
The Elder scrolls oblivion
Skyrim
Gothic
Gothic 2
Gothic 3
System Shock 2
Final Fantasy Tactics
Jagged Alliance 2
Most of these feature open world and/or sandbox gameplay so I'm just gonna go by that. Arcanum plays very similarly to Fallout and even though it may appear a daunting task of where to put your first skill points it should't be a problem to an experienced Fallout player, plus with that you've already got 2 of the Codex's Trinity done!
While Morrowind is a great sandbox game, it's not a game I would try to lump together with the gothic games, as Morrowind is very heavy on exploration and backstory/lore, practically to the point where it's in own storyfag genre. It's one of those rare gems that actively rewards you for digging into the lore, not just in the manner of neat written fluff but in the physical sense as well. For example, one of the earliest books you can get in the starting town is "The Wraith's Wedding Dowry" Now the book itself is just a little story about a newlywed who has to fight her former bandit clan in her wedding dress, but she mentions her mentor(who's name I can't remember) and where he's from somewhere in the book. If you actually travel to the location mentioned, it turns out there's actually a guy with the same name, and he turns out to be the Master Trainer for unarmored(how else would she know how to fight in a wedding dress). There's also a guy you could meet in a bar who will ask for a drink, and in exchange will tell you a story about some buried treasure(and he's actually not shitting you!). It's miles ahead above Skyrim and Oblivion and I say this as person who can honestly claim that Oblivion was his first rpg .
Now if you are going ahead to start with Baldur's gate do try to do a BG-BG2-Torment run through, if only to see MCA mock them in the same engine. I wouldn't recommend starting with Lands of Lore and instead also go with Wizardry 8 as others as mentioned. It's 3D movement will be more natural to you if you've never tried a game with grid movement before, but it's your call.
Shit How I forget albion I played the demo in my old N900 phone.Listen to Deuce Traveler, he knows his stuff.
I can also recommend Albion as it's not too complex and has some familiar elements from japanese RPGs.
I dunno. Oblivion came out like a decade ago. I can totally see someone out there thinking Skyrim is an insult to the classic.
Oblivion has better magic. Pretty much everything is better in Oblivion, each game in the series gets more dumbed down, and is made to appeal more to a wider (and more casual) audience.
Both skyrim and oblivion are awesome but it is something different with oblivion, you get this awesome feeling every time you play it.
I completely agree, it's very very very dumbed down now, but I don't believe that they get WORSE at each entry, they're just... different.
This was indeed better than Skyrim
In many ways this game is better than Skyrim and in many ways it is not. I think both games are brilliant for their time. Personaly i like Oblivion more because of it's beautiful landscape and size.
However, in many ways their argumentation works not so different from the whole notion of 'Decline' on the Codex really, or many other similar discussions in other fields. If you like an older game (or force yourself to like it or pretend to do so) you can consider yourself more hardcore and hipster by default, compared to the 'stupid masses' that like the 'dumbed down games of today'. Older is often automatically considered superior to the new stuff when it comes to the discussion of cultural products. Emotions of nostalgia playing a heavy role. They get rationalized somehow and then presented as objective arguments (best indicator is shit arguments like 'It just had more soul!').
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I don't care really about labels but I found I miss the music, the alchemy system, and the cities from oblivion, The major towns/ cities in skyrim are just disappointing, the factions are one hour quest I also miss being able to check my ranks in the joinable guilds and getting a different title as I moved up that came with new respect within the guilds.
I played both as breton mage and skyrim removed 90% of the spells, Mark, Recall and the Intervention spells I miss it all and also they made lockpick & persuasion skills useless.
Skyrim repeated the same stupid door puzzles , same dungeons with draugers or bandits and the main quest story is more boring and retarted than oblivion, dragons fight is just tedious work.
so now imagine a guy who played oblivion before morrowind and find quest like the haunted house, being locked inside a house with all these people you have to murder one by one or the one where you have to enter the guys painting, or retrieve a ring underwater but to discover it weight 150 lbs. skyrim were essentially the same. Go to cave x to retrieve item y and along the way you'll encounter hostile z. There were some exception but not enough. Of course Oblivion did have the same kind of quests but not nearly as many as Skyrim.
Recall and the Intervention spells I miss it all and
I haven't played morrowind yet so
See, told you it's a troll.Recall and the Intervention spells I miss it all and
I haven't played morrowind yet so
oopsy fucksy
See, told you it's a troll.Recall and the Intervention spells I miss it all and
I haven't played morrowind yet so
oopsy fucksy
played Vampire bloodlines with unofficial patch and I loved I'm going to start BG because it gathered more votes also to stop this thread from derailingVampire bloodlines isn't mentioned as I can see, it's great, and easy to get into compared to the others. Available on steam for relatively cheap.
I'd go with that and the aforementioned BGII, both are great and easy to play.
Well, Skyrim's quests are just as bad as Oblivion's and they really messed up the guild questlines but that doesn't make Oblivion quests better.^
I don't care really about labels but I found I miss the music, the alchemy system, and the cities from oblivion, The major towns/ cities in skyrim are just disappointing, the factions are one hour quest I also miss being able to check my ranks in the joinable guilds and getting a different title as I moved up that came with new respect within the guilds.
I played both as breton mage and skyrim removed 90% of the spells, Mark, Recall and the Intervention spells I miss it all and also they made lockpick & persuasion skills useless.
Skyrim repeated the same stupid door puzzles , same dungeons with draugers or bandits and the main quest story is more boring and retarted than oblivion, dragons fight is just tedious work.
so now imagine a guy who played oblivion before morrowind and find quest like the haunted house, being locked inside a house with all these people you have to murder one by one or the one where you have to enter the guys painting, or retrieve a ring underwater but to discover it weight 150 lbs. skyrim were essentially the same. Go to cave x to retrieve item y and along the way you'll encounter hostile z. There were some exception but not enough. Of course Oblivion did have the same kind of quests but not nearly as many as Skyrim.
eh maybe like DalekFlay said that I'm blind by nostalgia because it was second cRpg(after Gothic trilogy) that I played.Well, Skyrim's quests are just as bad as Oblivion's and they really messed up the guild questlines but that doesn't make Oblivion quests better.^
I don't care really about labels but I found I miss the music, the alchemy system, and the cities from oblivion, The major towns/ cities in skyrim are just disappointing, the factions are one hour quest I also miss being able to check my ranks in the joinable guilds and getting a different title as I moved up that came with new respect within the guilds.
I played both as breton mage and skyrim removed 90% of the spells, Mark, Recall and the Intervention spells I miss it all and also they made lockpick & persuasion skills useless.
Skyrim repeated the same stupid door puzzles , same dungeons with draugers or bandits and the main quest story is more boring and retarted than oblivion, dragons fight is just tedious work.
so now imagine a guy who played oblivion before morrowind and find quest like the haunted house, being locked inside a house with all these people you have to murder one by one or the one where you have to enter the guys painting, or retrieve a ring underwater but to discover it weight 150 lbs. skyrim were essentially the same. Go to cave x to retrieve item y and along the way you'll encounter hostile z. There were some exception but not enough. Of course Oblivion did have the same kind of quests but not nearly as many as Skyrim.
I remember most the "great" Oblivion quests you mentioned to be nothing but a gimmicky waste of time anyway. And Skyrim had stuff like that too (for example that Dawnstar museum questline).
Also Skyrim has some outstanding quests like the whole Blackreach archeology/exploration (really great stuff), these Windhelm murders, the Forsworn conspiracy, that cannibal cult (one of the Daedra quests ... most of them are quite nice) and so on. Plus exploring dungeons was way more fun than in Oblivion, heck, I spent most of my time with the game just exploring dungeons and stumbling upon quests and little stories in there (they are not great though, too linear ... still head and shoulders above all those boring copypasted Oblivion dungeons ... and I don't even dislike copypasted dungeons, I love Daggerfall, but Oblivion's were just shiat).
Dunno what you problem with the music is, Elder Scrolls games all have nice music.
Cities were just as bland in Oblivion (at least Riften and Markarth are worth a visit, in Oblivion it's all just medieval blandness).
And rising in guild ranks in Oblivion didn't do it for me either ...
Just go and play Morrowind or Daggerfall, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. With all due respect of course. :D
Hope you're not just an alt though, inside debates with alts wouldn't bode well for codex' sanity. Run for your lives, these nutjobs on codex began talking to themselves again!
I'd say buy BG2 too (better game anyway) and play with the BGT mod. It allows you to import you character in BG2 after you played through BG.Now one LAST QUESTION BEFORE I BUY BG from GOG
What mods should I use when I play the game ?
anyway I don't know why the fuck I will troll my own thread in issue that you brought it up.
-The Elder scrolls oblivion
-Skyrim (Shit was horrible I can imagine old TES fans killing themselves).
Since when Oblivion has mark and recall?I played both as breton mage and skyrim removed 90% of the spells, Mark, Recall and the Intervention spells I miss it all and also they made lockpick & persuasion skills useless.