LP: It's Oblivion Baby! Oblivion!

[1eyedking]

Oh, but if it were only a dream! Alas, the nightmare is true!

 

[Turok]

NO FUCK NO NO NO REMOVE THIS SHIT FROM THERE DONT TAINT THE LP POSTS.

 

[DraQ]

Unbelievable!
This is much less sucky than the unmoded beginning ("Why are you standing over emperor's dead body with bloodied sword in one hand and emperor's super-duper-holy amulet in the other, prisoner? Get this amulet to the secret head of the emperors spec-ops immediately!"), it should be called "LP: Oblivion's Mods", though.

Do post the list here, btw, and if the character is going to be named "Paco", he'll need at least, to have HtH in majors.
At best, rename him to "Paco el Puno Estrella".

 

[piydek]

Unbelievable!
This is much less sucky than the unmoded beginning

And, ironically, how is a better beginning achieved? By removing the beginning . Oblivion needs to be undone in order to make it good.

 

[xuerebx]

This begining is leaps and bounds better than the vanilla begining, and it only took a couple of text pop ups.

I had enjoyed Oblivion after installing 2GB worth of mods. Can't really give credit to Beth for this, it's the modders who did their job.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

This is much less sucky than the unmoded beginning ("Why are you standing over emperor's dead body with bloodied sword in one hand and emperor's super-duper-holy amulet in the other, prisoner? Get this amulet to the secret head of the emperors spec-ops immediately!")

Whenever I played it, the guard jumps in and one-hits the robed assassin that is about to attack me, I guess it's less weird then.

They also hear the emperor say 2 or 3 times that you're an awesome fella, and since he has dragon blood and all, they believe him.

 

[DraQ]

Unbelievable!
This is much less sucky than the unmoded beginning

And, ironically, how is a better beginning achieved? By removing the beginning . Oblivion needs to be undone in order to make it good.

Well, interactive storytelling won't do much good if it tells a retarded story.

They also hear the emperor say 2 or 3 times that you're an awesome fella, and since he has dragon blood and all, they believe him.

TES used to be better.

 

[octavius]

Oblivion, i think, can be good with mods. However, the sheer amount of mods needed to make it ok/good practically turns it into another game.

It took me 400 mods + dozens of graphics replacers and several months of tweaking to get the game more or less perfect. And it did become one of the most immersive gaming experiences in my 25+ years of computer gaming.

Perfect? All of these mods don't take Oblivion to the level of unmodded Morrowind. It makes Oblivion merely playable. Just about. It's still completely pointless without some form and degree of LARPing.

So you have intimate knowledge of the thousands of Oblivion mods that have been made and the hundreds of mods I use?
If so I admire you for your vast knowledge and despise you for wasting your life amassing that knowledge.

 

[octavius]

No. Stock Morrowind still has its only redeeming quality - good atmosphere and art direction in which it's cool to hike in. Modded Oblivion still doesn't have it, while mods make it just quite tolerable enough. However, both games, unmodded or modded, are impossible to play (as RPGs, adventures, strategies or action games).

Unmodded Morrowind is better than Oblivion in most regards: atmosphere,better voice acting (both quality and quantity was better) more skills, several layers of clothing and a working mini-map, but Oblivion is better where it really matters: the combat and magic is much better and most importantly, NPCs having AI packages and being members of different factions means they have schedules, they can sit, work, eat etc and they react to the actions of the player character and other NPCs.
Morrwind characters are cardboard characters who stand on the same spot the whole game and only reacts if attacked by the player or a monster.

Mods fix most of the Oblivion shittiness, but no mods can fix the MW lack of any interaction between NPCs.

And I don't see how Oblivion is impossible to play - I and many others have played it and enjoyed it? But of course if you treat it as a game that you need to "beat" you are missing the whole point. You are supposed to actually *role* play it, not beat the computer or other players.

 

[piydek]

Unbelievable!
This is much less sucky than the unmoded beginning

And, ironically, how is a better beginning achieved? By removing the beginning . Oblivion needs to be undone in order to make it good.

Well, interactive storytelling won't do much good if it tells a retarded story.

Indeed, that was my point.

@ octavius - i really hope you're just having a poor go at humour.

 

[Licaon_Kter]

Mods fix most of the Oblivion shittiness, but no mods can fix the MW lack of any interaction between NPCs.

Living Cities of Vvardenfell and Morrowind Comes Alive

 

[octavius]

Mods fix most of the Oblivion shittiness, but no mods can fix the MW lack of any interaction between NPCs.

Living Cities of Vvardenfell and Morrowind Comes Alive

Not quite. LCV adds schedules, but in the form of "teleporting" and MCA (IIRC) mostly adds lots of more cardboard characters.
I liked LCV, though, but it did have some compability problems with the LGNPC mods.

 

[Licaon_Kter]

Not quite. LCV adds schedules, but in the form of "teleporting"

iirc, i've seen them walking around a lot, and it worked great with LGNPC ( had all the LGNPC merged and such; 255 mods limit dammmit )

MCA - they are cardboard NPCs but they add a lot of life to the place, seeing them fighting at random with beasts or hiring them was pretty fun, for me after seeing the world with MCA it was impossible to go back, it feels empty, although i did not have a problem with that before MCA hehe

 

[WalterKinde]

Out of curiosity how much download and how much install space are we talking to add all these mods?
Its been a while but i am glad the default intro is gone although i could do without all the pop ups with side quests just give me the simple popup that comes after designing your char and leaving the starter area in every TES game.

 

[octavius]

Out of curiosity how much download and how much install space are we talking to add all these mods?
Its been a while but i am glad the default intro is gone although i could do without all the pop ups with side quests just give me the simple popup that comes after designing your char and leaving the starter area in every TES game.

My Oblivion folder is about 30 gigs.
Download folder is about 15 gigs.

You can use an UI replacer like DarkUId_DarN to get rid of the quest pop-ups.

 

[DefJam101]

This game is nothing without the martial arts mod!

 

[DraQ]

but Oblivion is better where it really matters: the combat and magic is much better

I see three glaring errors here:

First, those are the things that usually matter the least, at least if other components are present (which is not a case in Oblivion, but I digress).

Second, the magic system in Oblivion had been castrated in a manner so loathsome, repugnant and vile, that the quoted sentence alone should warrant you a 'dumbfuck!' tag, my good sir.

Third, the hybrid of the worst traits of an RPGish and action combat systems can't surpass even the least graceful implementation of an RPG mechanics crudely grafted on top of an FPS engine. The latter is still a traditional RPGish combat, with all the inherent advantages and disadvantages, while the former is an eldritch abomination that should be purged with fire.

NPCs having AI packages and being members of different factions means they have schedules, they can sit, work, eat etc and they react to the actions of the player character and other NPCs.
Morrwind characters are cardboard characters who stand on the same spot the whole game and only reacts if attacked by the player or a monster.

Mods fix most of the Oblivion shittiness, but no mods can fix the MW lack of any interaction between NPCs.

Given that said interactions usually consist of NPCs spouting immersion wrecking inanities at each other (including mindbogglingly retarded ones, like the particularly offensive piece of gossip discussing how good it'd be if everyone learned security, so they wouldn't need to carry around so many keys - I am not making this up), all the modders seeking to fix character interactions in Oblivion would do well, to completely scrap the existing system before doing anything.

Personally, I find NPCs calmly walking back and forth, minding their own business, vastly preferable to the ones fixating on ruining my verisimilitude by behaving in the most moronic manner possible.

Also, in Morrowind, devs at least had the decency to account for familial bonds between NPCs, so if I, for example, murder some girl's daddy, any kind of friendly relations with said girl are automatically forfeit, while in Oblivion a man's wife would smile to me as... well, prettily is not a word I'd use here, but you get the drift... as ever after seeing me draping her husband's naked eviscerated body over her fireplace.

No, sorry, Oblivion fails in this aspect as well - unsurprisingly.

And I don't see how Oblivion is impossible to play - I and many others have played it and enjoyed it?

My sincerest condolences.

But of course if you treat it as a game that you need to "beat" you are missing the whole point.

Thank you, captain obvious, without you, I'd never have guessed, that the goal of a free-form, sandbox RPG, actually, the fourth game in the series of such RPGs, is not 'beating' it.

You are supposed to actually *role* play it, not beat the computer or other players.

:jean: :luc: :picard:

 

[xuerebx]

Agreed with BB on most aspects.

 

[DraQ]

BB

I bwuh?-ed.

 

[dragonfk]

but Oblivion is better where it really matters: the combat and magic is much better

I see three glaring errors here:

First, those are the things that usually matter the least, at least if other components are present (which is not a case in Oblivion, but I digress).

Second, the magic system in Oblivion had been castrated in a manner so loathsome, repugnant and vile, that the quoted sentence alone should warrant you a 'dumbfuck!' tag, my good sir.

Third, the hybrid of the worst traits of an RPGish and action combat systems can't surpass even the least graceful implementation of an RPG mechanics crudely grafted on top of an FPS engine. The latter is still a traditional RPGish combat, with all the inherent advantages and disadvantages, while the former is an eldritch abomination that should be purged with fire.

As far as combat and magic is concerned you seem not to know what you are talking about. Tell me Draq when was the last time you had played Morrowind and Oblivion?

 

[xuerebx]

BB

I bwuh?-ed.

Oh dear, must have mixed you up with someone else.

Bluebirds.

 

[Helton]

No, no, he's BlueScale.

BS

Better fit if you ask me.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Well before I run off to kill things I thought I would check out the market to see if I could upgrade my equipment at all. In the grand Bioware tradition this guy ran up and started to talk to me.

Apparently I'm the one everyone is looking for.

I'll help a brother out.

The Gray Fox!!!

Those are some fancy duds.

At least I had to talk to this guy.

Nothing wrong with a little massacre here and there.

This is the quest from the first guy.

This is Rascal - He just kind of hangs out.

Undead fun here we come.

Here is the Temple of the One and some interior shots. No reason - just filling the thread.

Another total stranger running up to me asking for help.

Ok We finally make it to the market district.

Lets check out some shops:

The armor shop had crap. I though about buying the elven sword but passed. One of the mods I use adds the school and level of spells - very handy. In the end I buy nothing though.

I did find this - I cannot remeber if it is in vanilla Oblivion though.

Gay

After a good soak it was time to go.

Pretty.

The arboretum at night.

This is Crunch. Apparently he also just hangs out.

 

[entertainer]

Are your eyes still ok from all the bloom?

 

[Ahzaruuk]

Ok we are now at the Imperial City docks. In a rain storm. Yeah.
And finally it looks like poor Giskard got his panties all up in a bundle:

Bah, he outright refused to do any sort of mod-cleaning. Using one of his mods in their unmodified forms was just asking for CTD haven.